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two stupid questions I should know..but don't

xIcedGuardianxxIcedGuardianx Posts: 873
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First..I keep seeing the term "BORK" instead of BOTL (which I DO know) and I dont get the acronym. What does it stand for so I can be put to ease. Second... Every damn cigar description on this site (save the Macanudo) says long finish one way or another. Is that referring to the smoking time or the last third of the gar or what? And as a note, this forum rocks my socks! I have learned so much I can't believe my head hasn't exploded. I guess I just found holes in my knowledge and I just gotta know!!!!

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    wwhwangwwhwang Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭
    1.) BORK was a fat finger mistake by ENFIDL when he tried to type "BOTL". It caught on and we've been using it ever since as a joke :P

    2.) A finish is used to refer to the aftertaste of the cigar after you've blown the smoke out of your mouth and nose. The draw, on the other hand, is the taste of the smoke when you take it into your mouth.
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    xIcedGuardianxxIcedGuardianx Posts: 873
    awesome..you're the man! I could never figure out what BORK stood for! My mind is at ease finally thanks wwhwang
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    kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭
    wwhwang:
    A finish is used to refer to the aftertaste of the cigar after you've blown the smoke out of your mouth and nose. The draw, on the other hand, is the taste of the smoke when you take it into your mouth.
    in my mind there is one more "taste" (beyond the "initial taste" (draw) and "aftertaste" (described above))
    there is "middle taste"
    this may actually be the first time i have ever used this term, so if you have not seen it in my reviews then dont worry... its just a thought ive had.
    the middle taste is the taste that you get out of the cigar after you draw it in but before you blow it out, while you are swirling it in your mouth and starting your retrohale.
    there are cigars out there that have three distinct flavors that appear on the palate at those three times.


    thoughts?
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    wwhwangwwhwang Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭
    kuzi16:
    wwhwang:
    A finish is used to refer to the aftertaste of the cigar after you've blown the smoke out of your mouth and nose. The draw, on the other hand, is the taste of the smoke when you take it into your mouth.
    in my mind there is one more "taste" (beyond the "initial taste" (draw) and "aftertaste" (described above))
    there is "middle taste"
    this may actually be the first time i have ever used this term, so if you have not seen it in my reviews then dont worry... its just a thought ive had.
    the middle taste is the taste that you get out of the cigar after you draw it in but before you blow it out, while you are swirling it in your mouth and starting your retrohale.
    there are cigars out there that have three distinct flavors that appear on the palate at those three times.


    thoughts?
    I have noticed that, but for some reason, no one really mentions it. But yes, I do think you're right about the "middle" taste.
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    xIcedGuardianxxIcedGuardianx Posts: 873
    I tell ya, the depth of this hobby never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
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    bandyt09bandyt09 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    xIcedGuardianx:
    I tell ya, the depth of this hobby never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    I tell ya, the depth of KUZI never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
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    xIcedGuardianxxIcedGuardianx Posts: 873
    haha true
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    j0z3rj0z3r Posts: 9,403 ✭✭
    bandyt09:
    xIcedGuardianx:
    I tell ya, the depth of this hobby never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    I tell ya, the depth of KUZI never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    That reminds me of this one porn movie I saw....Wink [;)]
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    bandyt09bandyt09 Posts: 4,335 ✭✭✭✭✭
    j0z3r:
    bandyt09:
    xIcedGuardianx:
    I tell ya, the depth of this hobby never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    I tell ya, the depth of KUZI never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    That reminds me of this one porn movie I saw....Wink [;)]
    Joe, is it that one with that one guy that does that thing? Is so, it reminds me of the same thing..........
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    Garen BGaren B Posts: 977
    j0z3r:
    bandyt09:
    xIcedGuardianx:
    I tell ya, the depth of this hobby never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    I tell ya, the depth of KUZI never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    That reminds me of this one porn movie I saw....Wink [;)]
    BORK's Gone Wild?
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    docbp87docbp87 Posts: 3,521 ✭
    Garen B:
    j0z3r:
    bandyt09:
    xIcedGuardianx:
    I tell ya, the depth of this hobby never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    I tell ya, the depth of KUZI never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    That reminds me of this one porn movie I saw....Wink [;)]
    BORK's Gone Wild?
    Over the line dude. Just gross.
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    kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭
    docbp87:
    Garen B:
    j0z3r:
    bandyt09:
    xIcedGuardianx:
    I tell ya, the depth of this hobby never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    I tell ya, the depth of KUZI never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    That reminds me of this one porn movie I saw....Wink [;)]
    BORK's Gone Wild?
    Over the line dude. Just gross.
    dont judge.
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    YankeeManYankeeMan Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭✭✭
    xIcedGuardianx:
    I tell ya, the depth of this hobby never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    Now you know why we all worship the Kuz, second only to the Beard!

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    kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭
    YankeeMan:
    xIcedGuardianx:
    I tell ya, the depth of this hobby never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    Now you know why we all worship the Kuz, second only to the Beard!

    and Alex...
    Kuzi's Forum Links Page
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    xIcedGuardianxxIcedGuardianx Posts: 873
    Absolutely.. Always helpful.. I really appreciate it
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    Hawk55Hawk55 Posts: 846 ✭
    Never hear it called a Kuzi before...
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    Hawk55Hawk55 Posts: 846 ✭
    One thing that I am currently learning and experienceing is that taking your time and keeping the stik "cool" as you smoke really adds to the ability to ENJOY the flavor and taste..the taste isn't destroyed by the heat of smoking too fast.
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    laker1963laker1963 Posts: 5,046
    Hawk55:
    One thing that I am currently learning and experienceing is that taking your time and keeping the stik "cool" as you smoke really adds to the ability to ENJOY the flavor and taste..the taste isn't destroyed by the heat of smoking too fast.
    This is VERY important for sure. It can take some practice to NOT smoke too quickly sometimes. I always make sure I have the time to smoke a complete stick before I light up. If I don't think I have enough time to smoke a stick properly then I will wait til later or choose another stick that I will be able to finish in plenty of time that I have available. Nothing worse then a good stick turning bitter and hot from having to smoke it too quickly.
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    Hawk55Hawk55 Posts: 846 ✭
    so true...
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    boydmcgowanboydmcgowan Posts: 1,101 ✭
    laker1963:
    Hawk55:
    One thing that I am currently learning and experienceing is that taking your time and keeping the stik "cool" as you smoke really adds to the ability to ENJOY the flavor and taste..the taste isn't destroyed by the heat of smoking too fast.
    It can take some practice to NOT smoke too quickly sometimes.
    haha, yeah I've been working on this for years, and I still smoke too fast. one day . . .

    I would also add that a little patience when lighting the cigar can affect the flavors as well. A while back I finally starting making sure I took the time to toast the foot before you fully light it up, and even though I use an old school zippo, this does seems to help in the first inch or so of the cigar. I never took the time to do it before and as someone who smoked for years before I did this, its definitely worth the extra time.

    I think they had an write up on this in last weeks newsletter too, for anyone who wants a description of how to do it.
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    laker1963laker1963 Posts: 5,046
    boydmcgowan:
    laker1963:
    Hawk55:
    One thing that I am currently learning and experienceing is that taking your time and keeping the stik "cool" as you smoke really adds to the ability to ENJOY the flavor and taste..the taste isn't destroyed by the heat of smoking too fast.
    It can take some practice to NOT smoke too quickly sometimes.
    haha, yeah I've been working on this for years, and I still smoke too fast. one day . . .

    I would also add that a little patience when lighting the cigar can affect the flavors as well. A while back I finally starting making sure I took the time to toast the foot before you fully light it up, and even though I use an old school zippo, this does seems to help in the first inch or so of the cigar. I never took the time to do it before and as someone who smoked for years before I did this, its definitely worth the extra time.

    I think they had an write up on this in last weeks newsletter too, for anyone who wants a description of how to do it.
    VERY TRUE that.
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    FourtotheflushFourtotheflush Posts: 2,555 ✭
    kuzi16:
    wwhwang:
    A finish is used to refer to the aftertaste of the cigar after you've blown the smoke out of your mouth and nose. The draw, on the other hand, is the taste of the smoke when you take it into your mouth.
    in my mind there is one more "taste" (beyond the "initial taste" (draw) and "aftertaste" (described above))
    there is "middle taste"
    this may actually be the first time i have ever used this term, so if you have not seen it in my reviews then dont worry... its just a thought ive had.
    the middle taste is the taste that you get out of the cigar after you draw it in but before you blow it out, while you are swirling it in your mouth and starting your retrohale.
    there are cigars out there that have three distinct flavors that appear on the palate at those three times.


    thoughts?


    1st time I have heard it described this way! I think Kuzi just defined Umami for cigar smokers!

    BTW Matt, Did you also coin the term Barnyard? Ive seen that all over but the 1st few times (or many) were from your reviews.

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    FourtotheflushFourtotheflush Posts: 2,555 ✭
    YankeeMan:
    xIcedGuardianx:
    I tell ya, the depth of this hobby never ceases to amaze me. I love it!
    Now you know why we all worship the Kuz, second only to the Beard!

    I typically save my worship for the cooze, Sorry Kuz........


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    kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭
    Fourtotheflush:
    kuzi16:
    wwhwang:
    A finish is used to refer to the aftertaste of the cigar after you've blown the smoke out of your mouth and nose. The draw, on the other hand, is the taste of the smoke when you take it into your mouth.
    in my mind there is one more "taste" (beyond the "initial taste" (draw) and "aftertaste" (described above))
    there is "middle taste"
    this may actually be the first time i have ever used this term, so if you have not seen it in my reviews then dont worry... its just a thought ive had.
    the middle taste is the taste that you get out of the cigar after you draw it in but before you blow it out, while you are swirling it in your mouth and starting your retrohale.
    there are cigars out there that have three distinct flavors that appear on the palate at those three times.


    thoughts?


    1st time I have heard it described this way! I think Kuzi just defined Umami for cigar smokers!

    BTW Matt, Did you also coin the term Barnyard? Ive seen that all over but the 1st few times (or many) were from your reviews.

    im not sure if i saw it before i started my reviews or not.

    i have always tried to describe what i am smelling/tasting the best i can. as a kid i spent a good amount of time on a farm and in random barnyards so i was familiar with the smell. there are quite a few cigars that have that smell before they are lit.

    it may be a case of once you see it, its all over the place.
    kinda like, i never really saw that many Subarus on the road till i bought one. now i see them all over the place.
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