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State Sponsored RAPE bill passes in Virginia
phobicsquirrel
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..So after the few years of the GOP running around yelling about Obama's health legislation on how it was the govt taking over medicine, the govt coming between "you" and your doctor and so on, they go a head and keep trying to tell a woman what they can and cannot do with their own body. If it wasn't this crap about contraception, now the GOP has passed legislation (currently waiting to be signed by the Gov) that would REQUIRE a woman to have an ultra sound before getting an abortion. I mean women, who mostly that get abortions early on (within the first few months) will have to get penetrated by a probe against their will and even their doctors because the GOP passed some legislation.
http://news.yahoo.com/virginias-abortion-law-state-sanctioned-rape-094400707.html
The party of hypocrisy never stops, wtf is with them and their followers. I really wish an amendment got attached that was proposed by a female legislator that was trying to get males to get a rectal exam when they wanted any pills to help with their erection problems. Seems to me that perhaps males getting erections would be most important for a woman to get pregnant. And while the GOP are trying to stop any form of abortion, they are trying to keep woman from getting any contraception. This all makes sense.
http://news.yahoo.com/virginias-abortion-law-state-sanctioned-rape-094400707.html
The party of hypocrisy never stops, wtf is with them and their followers. I really wish an amendment got attached that was proposed by a female legislator that was trying to get males to get a rectal exam when they wanted any pills to help with their erection problems. Seems to me that perhaps males getting erections would be most important for a woman to get pregnant. And while the GOP are trying to stop any form of abortion, they are trying to keep woman from getting any contraception. This all makes sense.
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I'm not telling a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. I just don't feel like I have to pay for her mistakes against my will. Don't go there squirrel!
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
The bill that pased in Virginia requires that a probe be inserted into the **** in order to perform an ultrasound. This procedure is purely political, and definately not medically necessary. It MANDATES that women be penetrated with a medical device to perform an internal ultrasound whether they want one or not. It IS rape. No conservative who favors this bill can ever again criticize any aspect of "Obama-Care" as being too intrusive by government, without becoming a hyporcite.
what an amazing twist of words on so many levels here squirrel.
though i am what most would call pro choice i hardly consider an ultrasound "rape" i mean, seriously. thats **** nuts to make that comparison. in that Doctor's office, if the woman does not want an ultrasound, she can turn it down if she choses and also not get an abortion. OR waid a few more weeks and get an external ultrasound and THEN have the abortion. that is in no way rape.
(edit: i had not read the probe mandate at this point, however that is addressed in my next post)
the government shouldnt force ultrasounds.
what you are classifying stupidly as "rape" is an attempt by the republicans to get women to think about their actions before they kill their otherwise healthy, viable, unborn baby. though i am against that requirement i feel that the actions of the republicans at least have some thought behind them. the force they are imposing is to have as much information about the baby as they can before they kill it.
as far as the contraception thing goes, you fell for what the media told you hook line and sinker. you are a fool for believing it. there has not been a single republican, candidate or representative that has come out in favor of banning all contraception. NOT ONE.
in fact, many have come out on record saying that it would be very unwise to do so. (but you wont see that on the media these days)
the republicans ARE trying to keep the government from forcing religious institutions to act against their religious beliefs. that is all.
congrats squirrel. you posted the most uninformed post ever.
you statement can also be turned around quite easily to, "no liberal who favor Obama care can ever criticize this bill as being too intrusive by the government without becoming a hypocrite"
they are both invasive and force individuals to do things they would otherwise not do.
both bills are unconstitutional and should be eliminated.
...and the probe thing... they are about to have a different probe up their **** anyway. the woman knows that she is gunna have stuff up there before she walks in. kinda renders that point moot... doesnt it?
It is a probe Beat, and it does go into the ****. I dont know if thats "rape" per se, but if the woman doesnt want it----sure sounds like something similar. I may not be a professional hisotrian here, but didnt Roe v Wade alllow abortion???? I am pro life in most instances..."closing your legs" doesnt really fly for me in the face of incest, rape, and some other issues----but I see the points, I just disagree. While I do not approve of abortions, the high court and majority of people feel they should be allowed and it shouldnt even be an issue anymore. Its just smoke and mirrors to make people forget about things we really can change
I understand the heartbeat, the feeling its a child, ect. However, like it or not it is a fetus and if the mother (and mother alone) wants to terminate it within certain parameters, she has that right. Maybe its wrong...maybe its medical. Maybe she should closed her legs...maybe the guy shouldve worn a condom instead of wanting to get his d!ck wet. I dont know, but I do know that it is protected and even though I disagree (generally) I cannot change it and there are more important things to worry about. Yes, I said that about a "human life" not because I like the idea, but because it will not change and Im tired of my government mandating my morality. Its a medical procedure, no different that making a fat broad go through a series of unneeded tests before she has a lap band, or a vain old man be subjected to unwanted groping prior to a face life. The morality and concept in ones mind may be different, but unwanted/unneeded procedures are what we are talkng about here.
Til a women steps up and says something, one way or the other, this entire argument is pointless.
not mute
moot
i agree that she shouldnt be forced to have it if she does not want it. however, she knows there is going to have all kinds of stuff up there anyway and she knows its gunna happen and she wants that to happen. i have a hard time making the leap to "rape" with that.
i mean, you and i, and yes, even the squirrel have the same finishing point on this. we dont want the ultrasounds. are we really arguing over if this is rape or not?
seriously.
it is a medical procedure that she can avoid if she wants in many ways such as:
not having an abortion
moving to a different state before she is pregnant
not getting pregnant (i know there isnt a choice sometimes in this but often there is)
adoption
think of it in terms of the state saying you MUST buy car insurance if you own a car (im against that mandate also). that can be avoided by not buying a car, or moving to a state without that requirement (if there are any), taking the bus instead, etc.
the argument for that mandate existing opened up the argument for this mandate to exist.
we (vulchor, the squirrel, jdh, and myself) seem to be arguing over the definition of "rape" not if the bill is a good one or not. i think we (same list) are all against the bill.
i just have a hard time seeing it as rape when a few moments after the slightly intruding ultrasound happens there is going to be way more intrusive and violent things up there.
You can avoid just about anything by taking alertnative means to get to a goal----I understand that. Just because we can find ways to make hoops and loops doesnt mean we should. However, just to say that without getting at what the hoops and loops are and why they are being put in place kind of loses the forest for the trees.
that too is true.
when people dont pay attention to the cost of something and dont care about how much it costs, the price will go up.
health insurance is one of the reasons for the high price of medical treatment.
or, did she request a procedure be done that has far-reaching consequences, knowing that some kind of intervention was going to take place inside her body? In which case, the question of "rape" does indeed seem to be rendered moot.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain