fla-gypsy:Go for it! May we add our own to your thread?
Puff_Dougie:As an ordained minister myself, I love this idea! I'll look forward to reading this thread.
0patience: Puff_Dougie:As an ordained minister myself, I love this idea! I'll look forward to reading this thread. What exactly is an ordained minister? And how is it any different than a regular minister. Is ordained a different sect of religion or something? I've never been able to figure that one out.
jliu:to kinda tag along to this (ish), have you guys checked out Blessed Leaf? it's a Christ centered cigar community. Kyle from Ezra Zion is the head pastor. It definitely has blessed my life. check it out when ya'll get a chance.
Puff_Dougie: 0patience: Puff_Dougie:As an ordained minister myself, I love this idea! I'll look forward to reading this thread. What exactly is an ordained minister? And how is it any different than a regular minister. Is ordained a different sect of religion or something? I've never been able to figure that one out. To be "ordained" into the ministry is to be recognized and sent out by a particular denomination.
RBeckom:The first redemption of the sins of man is in the Book of Leviticus, many do not know this, they assume it came with The Birth Of Christ.20 And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat: 21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: 22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. Lev 16:20-22 (KJV)
Puff_Dougie: RBeckom:The first redemption of the sins of man is in the Book of Leviticus, many do not know this, they assume it came with The Birth Of Christ.20 And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat: 21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: 22 And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness. Lev 16:20-22 (KJV) I would suggest that the first redemption for the sins of man came long before that, brother... Genesis 3:21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. In order to make "garments of skin" it was necessary to slay the animals that previously wore them. This was done by God himself, in order to provide a covering for Adam and Eve because of their disobedience. They had tried, at first, to cover themselves with leaves, but God showed them that a sacrifice was necessary, because "without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins." This was the beginning of the Old Testament sacrifices that pointed forward to the ultimate sacrifice that would come through Jesus thousands of years later.
Puff_Dougie:Yes, but don't forget God's words to the serpent...Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. The "seed" of the woman, who would crush the head of the serpent, was none other than Jesus. This was the first promise of His coming. And it was in the context of that first Gospel promise that God covered the shame of Adam and Eve with animal skins - not as a punishment, but as a promise of the grace that was yet to be revealed.
RBeckom:Agreed. But as to redemption, in my opinion from my studies, we still have to look to Leviticus. Some would state that Noah and the flood, by the sparing of a family, would be redemption but again it was a sparing of a righteous man and his family not a true redemption.
RBeckom:Please continue this discussion as, I and others, learn something new every day about The Word through study and discussion. Teach and I will learn.
Puff_Dougie: RBeckom:Agreed. But as to redemption, in my opinion from my studies, we still have to look to Leviticus. Some would state that Noah and the flood, by the sparing of a family, would be redemption but again it was a sparing of a righteous man and his family not a true redemption. Romans 3:10-12 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Even Noah was not saved from the flood because of his own righteousness. Genesis 6:8 says that Noah found "favor" in the eyes of the Lord, but the word "favor" in the original Hebrew means "grace" which is unmerited. Noah needed redemption like every other fallen son of Adam. Which is why he was told to bring SEVEN of certain kinds of animals with him on the ark - because some of them were to be offered as sacrifices when the flood waters had subsided. Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. All of the blood sacrifices of the Old Testament were designed to picture forgiveness of sin through the blood of a substitute, which pictured the redemption of Jesus on the cross. In Leviticus, those sacrifices were incorporated into formal worship of the tabernacle, but they had always been pictures of redemption. RBeckom:Please continue this discussion as, I and others, learn something new every day about The Word through study and discussion. Teach and I will learn. Likewise, my friend. The only way for any of us to learn is to discuss, and compare our opinions and those of others with the Word. I appreciate your perspectives. Sorry if I get carried away in my responses. I actually wrote a whole book on the subject of worship that you can check out athttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/doug1077
Martel: Puff_Dougie: RBeckom:Agreed. But as to redemption, in my opinion from my studies, we still have to look to Leviticus. Some would state that Noah and the flood, by the sparing of a family, would be redemption but again it was a sparing of a righteous man and his family not a true redemption. Romans 3:10-12 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Even Noah was not saved from the flood because of his own righteousness. Genesis 6:8 says that Noah found "favor" in the eyes of the Lord, but the word "favor" in the original Hebrew means "grace" which is unmerited. Noah needed redemption like every other fallen son of Adam. Which is why he was told to bring SEVEN of certain kinds of animals with him on the ark - because some of them were to be offered as sacrifices when the flood waters had subsided. Genesis 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. All of the blood sacrifices of the Old Testament were designed to picture forgiveness of sin through the blood of a substitute, which pictured the redemption of Jesus on the cross. In Leviticus, those sacrifices were incorporated into formal worship of the tabernacle, but they had always been pictures of redemption. RBeckom:Please continue this discussion as, I and others, learn something new every day about The Word through study and discussion. Teach and I will learn. Likewise, my friend. The only way for any of us to learn is to discuss, and compare our opinions and those of others with the Word. I appreciate your perspectives. Sorry if I get carried away in my responses. I actually wrote a whole book on the subject of worship that you can check out athttp://www.lulu.com/spotlight/doug1077Dude. ebook that sucker! Kindle it!I'm more of the belief that God's redemptive work has been visible in scripture since the moment of the fall and that his intention has always been redemption of "man" (assuming this was meant in a generic sense in the OP). The blessing of Abraham to create a great nation...to serve as a royal priesthood for all other nations? Sounds like the redemption of man to me.But what do I know, I'm the guy who is rooting for Bill Nye to put a whuppin on Ken Hamm because I don't read these Genesis accounts as a science book.I appreciate this thread and will check-in from time-to-time, but it kind of violates my three rules of Bible study...context, context, context. The whole single verse thing has led to far too many abuses in my faith tradition, and others that I've encountered as well.
roland_7707:Mathew 11:26-2826. Come unto me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.27. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly of heart: and you will find rest upon your souls.28. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.