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Can't believe Brown won
Krieg
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If you would have told me just 2 weeks ago that a Republican was going to win the seat ol Chappaquiddick Ted had and be able to stop the Democrats take over of Healthcare, I would have said you are full of $hit. But you have to admit, this has to be the irony of all ironies. The seat held by Kennedy who championed Socialized medicine is won by a Republican who now will stop it. (THANK GOD) Gotta love it. November is going to be very interesting...
"Long ashes my friends."
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So the real irony hear is that up until 2004 MA state law stated that any vacant senate seat would be appointed by the governor of the state. In 2004 Kerry was running for president and Mitt Romney was govenor(Republican). So the State senate didnt want to give Romney the power to seat a republican to fill Kerry's seat if he wont the presidential election. So the state congress changed the law to read that there will be a special election for any vacant seat.
Flash forward a couple years and Deval Patrick a Dem takes the Govenors office and they never repeal the above law. Kennedy kicks it and instead of Deval being able to seat a democrat they need to have a special election for the vacant seat! Hows that for irony!!!!
To those who were looking forward to change ... my condolences. It looks like big business and small thinkers have prevailed.
Laker I'm not sure the healthcare debate is dead. The extremely reckless rate at which it was moving might be slowed but it's not dead.
It would be political suicide for Repubs not to take into account the sudden awareness of the american people.
In order to remain viable they'll have to craft something with an easily decipherable language.
And be willing to compromise on certain aspects of the bill.
the best thing to come out of this is that the pace of government happening will now slow down.
Brown's win certainly is an eye-opener for a lot of people, Democrats and Republicans.
"Long ashes my friends."
"Long ashes my friends."
So where exactly is the healthcare system broken for people who can't afford it?
They are doing very important research into Cancer medicines, send out Doctors and Nurses to other Latin American countries to help advance the other countries medical system and they actually have longer life spans then Americans do. So without spending BILLIONS of dollars to make newer more improved MRI's and such, their "Socialized system" seems to bring VERY good returns for the money they spend.
Your scare mongering can't work on me dewd. I already have Universal Medicare and it works great. I also don't have to "feel" (while doing nothing about it) badly for the family down the street who cannot afford to pay for that emergency surgery for their little girl, and now the whole family faces bankrupcty and all the ramifications that go along with that.
Don't get me wrong Dennisking, I am glad you got exactly what you wanted. Despite what you try to scare others here with, come and see if our old citizens have less status with the medical profession, they DON'T. This is just more of the outright LIES which have been used in this debate.
Why do people always use EXTREMES and scaremongering when trying to make a point.
Put it out there, honestly, and let people decide on the information. Or are you worried that your opinions would not prevail without the hard sell of fear?
While I am very happy for your father AND your family, I still have to wonder about the thousand's of other families who DID NOT get granted financial assistance, and what their lives were like after an encounter with the medical system?
If everyone could expect the treatment you and your family received, then the present system would not work for long at all. OBVIOUSLY.
Can you please provide any details about these "thousands" of Canadian families going to the US to deliver their babies?
Also since you bring up the idea that our medical system is lacking with your sarcastic "Top Notch" care comment, will you please provide data which would indicate that we here in Canada recieve sub standard medical services?
I suspect that you are just talking off the top of your head, and I can't take you very seriously when you just rant , without anythin to back it up.
As for my family profile, I am 46, two grown kids, one attending University, the other working, and what exactly does that all have to do with this. Surely you are not trying to infer that I have a lesser level of concern for my family then you do yours because you pay cash for medical services and I don't?
And just for clarification here. Our system does involve paying monthly premiums to recieve medical services. It is NOT that our system is FREE> We just don't have to go into bankruptcy because of a medical condition. This is NOT a question of concern for ones family. Where did that come from? Are you always in attack mode when discussing issues?
Don't get me wrong here, there are problems with affordability and I am NOT saying I think the people in the US should or should not attempt to build something similar. I think the system, however it looks in the US should be what the people need, and not just set up like a cash cow that it is presently, where the whole idea of what they are supposed to do gets lost in the $$$.
I only commented on this issue because of some of the scare mongering and outright bullsh!t that was being thrown around as fact here by people who were opposed to Obama's Healthcare reforms.
We pay each month for our healthcare, and premiums are based on income. Some people who make below a certain level pay nothing for their healthcare, but receive the SAME level of care and range of services as the person who pays the highest monthly premium. As I said, it is based on ability to pay.
I don't want you guy's thinking I am trying to convince you that our system is better. I am NOT. I have only responded to comments here and only for information and clarification purposes. Any comments I have made such as hoping people and their families don't go bankrupt over an illness, and things like that, have NOT been meant to be arguementative. I honestly do have GREAT sympathy for families who while trying to achieve the American dream, working hard and honestly for barely above minimum (if there is one) wage, and because someone in the family, (daughter, son, wife, father, mother) get's sick or old and perscriptions and hospital visits are needed, will never be able to achieve it. These families who may only be just making it, have no extra money, or no savings from which to draw from, so loans, (if they can get one) or credit card debt results. Because there was no extra money to begin with, the result is payments being missed or late, and then bad credit, and the spiral begins.
So a family who thru injury, sickness, bad luck, old age, child birth or whatever who instead of finding the American dream... this once hardworking family becomes broken down, resentful and a burden on the system which failed them. All their, once upon a time aspirations become just another missed attempt at providing their family with an acceptable living standard. End of my little melodrama...
This is an issue that I hope can resolve itself in a manner which you guy's who live in the US and who will be directly impacted by it ultimately want. It is you, who should be the ones who decide on it's fate. From here it is all just MY OPINION.
News story here yes it's from fox, but yes cnn has talked about this as well.
in regards to the family comment, I would never suggest you care less, that is ludicrous. What I was trying to gain by asking is your profile. If you would've replied with "I'm a 24 year old idealist with no real world experience going to college with no family or children that I am responsible for", than I would take your comments with far less personal conviction on your part as you have zero social or socio-economic responsibility.
In regards to the question as to whether I would be eligible. I don't make a large amount of money but I make more than the cutoff to qualify. The problem in America is that if one person makes my wages in Atlanta, they are very comfortable but in Oregon, where the cost of living is considerably higher, I live a very normal, non-excessive existance. That skews the financials as to who can qualify. Oregon has it's own socialized medicine and it is for the less financially fortunate, but again, I make more than what is allowed. It seems to me that people that make smart decisions on when to have children, how hard to work, and how much money to make get penalized by the people who have poor decision making skills, like dropping out of school and getting pregnant and not getting good jobs. That's a very basic statement but think about it. I pay so that my Wife's cousin can have $650 in food vouchers a month. She is married, neither of them work, and she has 2 kids. I spend that much on food for my family of 4 in 2 months. I pay $425 a month for good Health Insurance for my family every month. She pays none. So the question I pose is this: When is it okay for me to stop contributing and start becoming a burden. Well, it isn't. But I am punished for having drive and a will to succeed and pride in taking care of my family. When the people helping realize that no one is helping them, they will quit contributing and starting being a burden. This is what happens at the collapse of every nation that has done this.
I know that you think I am angry and bitter and you know what, I am. Not at you but at the system you seem to support wholeheartedly without consideration for me or the others in MY country that will be adversely affected by these changes. I just don't understand how someone who seems like a caring person, which you do, can want for all your friends on here to suffer for an agenda that has no affect on you whatsoever. Sure that statement is ethnocentric but last time I checked, you weren't paying for any of our taxes. I don't think you are a bad person, I don't hate you, and I enjoy the fact that you make people think, but when you think you have the right to comment on what my country does with my money, you have thought completely and utterly wrong.
for the record, they aren't Obama's healthcare reforms, they are the Senate and House designed reforms that he is backing. I never blamed him for this, even though he is taking a lot of the credit. For the record, it's not "Fearmongering" when it's the truth