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phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭
So a county in Tennessee is making people pay fire protection fees and if you don't pay it you're out of luck. A family's house caught fire then the fire department wouldn't come out. Only when a neighbor's yard caught fire who did pay the fee they came out and the house continued to burn. I guess taxes don't matter now you need to pay even more. What's next? Keep the commons down, money rules.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/Firefighters-watch-as-home-burns-to-the-ground-104052668.html

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  • HeavyHeavy Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭
    I saw that earlier today. I don't care what side of the political fence you fall on, that is just plain f*#@ed up right there.
  • laker1963laker1963 Posts: 5,046
    phobicsquirrel:
    So a county in Tennessee is making people pay fire protection fees and if you don't pay it you're out of luck. A family's house caught fire then the fire department wouldn't come out. Only when a neighbor's yard caught fire who did pay the fee they came out and the house continued to burn. I guess taxes don't matter now you need to pay even more. What's next? Keep the commons down, money rules.

    http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/Firefighters-watch-as-home-burns-to-the-ground-104052668.html
    I don't know about there, but here (in British Coluymbia) there are times when people find themselves living outside of what is known as a Fire Protection Area. These people are living outside of the boundaries considered part of the tax base for that particular area, and because of the lack of housing in these mostly rural areas they have to sign an agreement with the closest fire department and pay for that departments services. These people would not be charged on their taxes for regular fire protection , but would pay whatever the agreed upon fees are in order to have fire protection.
  • Russ55Russ55 Posts: 2,765 ✭✭
    Is that even Constitutional?
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Posts: 4,131 ✭✭
    While I understand cities having to crunch and having to charge for services, this was a despicable thing to do. As a public servant you are there to protect people and go above and beyond the required duties. I do this on a daily basis and everyone in the city I work for does this. It's a matter of common decency.
  • LasabarLasabar Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭
    PuroFreak:
    While I understand cities having to crunch and having to charge for services, this was a despicable thing to do. As a public servant you are there to protect people and go above and beyond the required duties. I do this on a daily basis and everyone in the city I work for does this. It's a matter of common decency.
    +1... I didn't know how to put my thoughts to words...
  • Hawk55Hawk55 Posts: 846
    Devil's advocate here...Is it also common decency for someone who doesn't have health care of any type gets sick goes to an emergency room and gets free treatment while others have to pay large fees to get health care.
  • cabinetmakercabinetmaker Posts: 2,560 ✭✭
    That's pretty messed up.
  • lilwing88lilwing88 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭
    This is really messed up and poor policy on the part of this City and county. If I were this gentleman, I'd be hiring a lawyer.......

    That being said, I think it's also shameful of people like Keith Olbermann to turn this man's tragedy into some sort of Republican vs Democrat scenario..... his interview with the man in front of his property was just as sick as the fact that this happened.
    Guns don't kill people, Daddies with pretty daughters do…..
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭
    Hawk55:
    Devil's advocate here...Is it also common decency for someone who doesn't have health care of any type gets sick goes to an emergency room and gets free treatment while others have to pay large fees to get health care.
    go figure huh..?! Though you only have to pay if you have a certain income level which really isn't much. But yeah, if a person below the poverty line goes to the emergency room those of us who pay for insurance pay for him in so many words as well as paying for such a high overhead due to the greed of the industry.

    I don't see how on earth a city/county/state can stand for this. I mean sure budgets are tight but why is education, police, fire, and even state agencies always the first to go? I mean how about fixing how prisons are ran, maybe pay less for private institutions to do something when the state govt can do it cheaper? I dunno, but I don't think this will be the last of the "pay" for services which should be done through taxes. I can see police and other services going the same way in certain areas.

    And lilwing88, it's sort of public record on the fact that republicans (not necessarily voters) feel that way. They are less about the common wealth than democrats. Health care is a prime example. Eduction is next as so many republicans in office and running are so against public education.
  • zoom6zoomzoom6zoom Posts: 1,214
    This is nothing new, many areas have fire service levys. In this case, the property was outside the town jurisdiction, and paid no taxes to it. Residents outside the area were given the opportunity to buy coverage. Hasn't got a **** THING to do with political orientation, sorry.

    Using the same logic, next time I wreck my car I'll call the insurance company and insist they cover me starting right then.
  • Jetmech_63Jetmech_63 Posts: 3,451 ✭✭✭
    Something similar happened to my friend here in CA. He was reworking his old electrical system in his barn when sparks flew and his haystack went up pretty quick. He called the firedepartment and there is a fire hous located 3/4 of a mile from him. But the firehouse belonged to riverdale county(not the county he lived in, he had to wait 15 minutes for Lemoore FD(which was 20 miles away, but in his county) to respond. Luckily they douched it before it jumped over to his house, but thats pretty F'ed up. Apparently it all goes by county here. Back in MD where i grew up, it went by which ever firehouse was closest, then the respective county came and relieved the first responder if it took them longer to get there.
  • fla-gypsyfla-gypsy Posts: 3,023 ✭✭
    Once again my brothers on the left insist on equating the idiocy of some podunk town in Tennessee with serious issues supported by my conservative brothers. Way to go guys, you just can't help yourself can you.
  • lilwing88lilwing88 Posts: 2,812 ✭✭✭
    phobicsquirrel:
    And lilwing88, it's sort of public record on the fact that republicans (not necessarily voters) feel that way. They are less about the common wealth than democrats. Health care is a prime example. Eduction is next as so many republicans in office and running are so against public education.
    Really? That's a bit of stretch, squirrel. How do you get from this man's tragedy to a talking point on Republican attitudes towards health care, education and the "common wealth", or whatever you call it......

    This is a really messed up situation that has nothing to do with party politics. You don't think something like this couldn't happen in, geee I don't know, saaaaaay Cook County, IL?..... the biggest liberal democratic corrupt cesspool in the nation? They're always lookin out for the little guy, right?

    Squirel, I don't know what left wing propagandist has your ear, but you seem to be gulping the kool-aid by the gallon.....
    Guns don't kill people, Daddies with pretty daughters do…..
  • VulchorVulchor Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭✭
    fla-gypsy:
    Once again my brothers on the left insist on equating the idiocy of some podunk town in Tennessee with serious issues supported by my conservative borthers. Way to go guys, you just can't help yourself can you.
    They kinda do it to themselves dont they?? I mean, if the targets werent generally so easy...lol.
  • VulchorVulchor Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭✭
    As Ive said Squirrel all we care about now adays are the gods---of course that Jesus character they created, but also that second god---the almighty dollar. Sad story, not a huge repub vs dem issue....but I do see the corrolation. Does seem like playing both sides against the middle....health care shouldnt be guarenteed, but fire protection should? Both are about paying to keep away or stop something that can destroy you, both have a cost put on on people for the service......On second thought, dont even think I have the energy for this one.
  • Joeyjoe21_8Joeyjoe21_8 Posts: 2,048
    thats crap for people who are paying their taxes....lol...im actualy watching the story now! lol....its bs....fire every dam fire chief in that town and all personel that had a hand in getting that fee approved.....its bs!!!!! we pay for it already
  • zoom6zoomzoom6zoom Posts: 1,214
    Geez, people, read the damn story. No taxes were paid here, so how are taxes going to pay for it? Oh yeah, socialists expect someone else to pay for everything, I forgot.

    If you just let everyone pay the 75 bucks when the FD shows up, why would anyone else pay the subscription fee? They could make some changes that would improve the situation; let them pay the fee, plus a substantial penalty ($1000 or so).
  • VulchorVulchor Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭✭
    Socialists-----very cute, I see youve jumped on the catch phrase bandwagon. Lets get some other zingers, I can hardly wait.
  • lilwing88:
    You don't think something like this couldn't happen in, geee I don't know, saaaaaay Cook County, IL?...


    As long as you pay your tax bill by 9:00AM, everything should be okay.

    This whole thing isn't a left/right political issue at all.  I don't see why people insist that it is.  This is an issue of a fee that is NOT covered by taxes not being payed, and services not being rendered.  Most municipalities run at least one utility, if not more.  What's the difference in this and your water being turned off?  I see none.

    Now, I think there should be another way this fee is collected.  Roll it in with your waste tax, tack it on to the water bill, something.  For a good deal of people, $75 is hard to come up with at one time when it's something that isn't deemed immediately necessary.  If they could split it into 12 payments, that would likely make things easier.  Heck, put the fire out and bill the guy for actual costs instead of the $75 fee.  Running vehicles out there, the man hours involved, the water used, bill the guy for all of it.  Don't stand around and watch it burn. 

    I think this guy is being used to make a point.  I'm willing to bet that a great deal of people aren't paying that fee and this was an opportunity for them to show them what happens if they don't pay.  I've said this on other forums, and it's what I truly feel is going on.  Again, *** move, but that's what happens when you don't pay.  It's like paying the mafia for "protection," ya know?
  • gmill880gmill880 Posts: 5,947
    fla-gypsy:
    Once again my brothers on the left insist on equating the idiocy of some podunk town in Tennessee with serious issues supported by my conservative brothers. Way to go guys, you just can't help yourself can you.

    First, I consider myself a conservative, so after having gotten that outta the way ...Why is this a "Podunk Town" , because of what they did or didn't do or just because its in Tennessee ???
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Posts: 4,131 ✭✭
    gmill880:
    fla-gypsy:
    Once again my brothers on the left insist on equating the idiocy of some podunk town in Tennessee with serious issues supported by my conservative brothers. Way to go guys, you just can't help yourself can you.

    First, I consider myself a conservative, so after having gotten that outta the way ...Why is this a "Podunk Town" , because of what they did or didn't do or just because its in Tennessee ???
    Are you serious Gene?? Because IT'S TENNESSEE!!!!!! The only way it could be worse is if it was somewhere like North Carolina!!! ;-) hehe
  • fla-gypsyfla-gypsy Posts: 3,023 ✭✭
    gmill880:
    fla-gypsy:
    Once again my brothers on the left insist on equating the idiocy of some podunk town in Tennessee with serious issues supported by my conservative brothers. Way to go guys, you just can't help yourself can you.

    First, I consider myself a conservative, so after having gotten that outta the way ...Why is this a "Podunk Town" , because of what they did or didn't do or just because its in Tennessee ???
    Uh, Setting up their fire protection service so everyone is not covered maybe? Some things are a no brainer for local govt.'s, Police an Fire protection would fall under that category. These (protecting life and property) are some of the legitimate services that govt should provide and a tax structure created to support it.
  • undulacundulac Posts: 1,129
    If something happens you you have to be rushed to the hospital, you're health insurance (if you have it) pays for a good majority of the ambulance ride. Why can't they set it up so your home owners insurance pays the fire department X amount of money to put the fire out. I understand this will raise the price of insurance but it would be minimal. I think you may start to see that if stuff like this continues. The owners insurance will now have to pay 100% of the cost because it is a total loss versus say $30k if they could have put the fire out before it spread. Or, insurance companies will require you to pay the $75 annual fee or you won't be covered in the case of a fire.
  • wwesternwwestern Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭
    On a side note can you imagine how much of a jackass this guy felt like watching his house burn? Hopefully he kept that 75 bucks in his wallet so he could go grab a drink or 2 to forget his idiocy.
  • gmill880gmill880 Posts: 5,947
    fla-gypsy:
    gmill880:
    fla-gypsy:
    Once again my brothers on the left insist on equating the idiocy of some podunk town in Tennessee with serious issues supported by my conservative brothers. Way to go guys, you just can't help yourself can you.

    First, I consider myself a conservative, so after having gotten that outta the way ...Why is this a "Podunk Town" , because of what they did or didn't do or just because its in Tennessee ???
    Uh, Setting up their fire protection service so everyone is not covered maybe? Some things are a no brainer for local govt.'s, Police an Fire protection would fall under that category. These (protecting life and property) are some of the legitimate services that govt should provide and a tax structure created to support it.

    Maybe I was a little over-sensitive as a lot of times people think of this part of the USA as a back-woods hill billy club gypsy. I'm sure thats not what you intended and you were just expressing a legitimate opinon. I do think this is one area the govt should be obligated in as well.
  • gmill880gmill880 Posts: 5,947
    PuroFreak:
    gmill880:
    fla-gypsy:
    Once again my brothers on the left insist on equating the idiocy of some podunk town in Tennessee with serious issues supported by my conservative brothers. Way to go guys, you just can't help yourself can you.

    First, I consider myself a conservative, so after having gotten that outta the way ...Why is this a "Podunk Town" , because of what they did or didn't do or just because its in Tennessee ???
    Are you serious Gene?? Because IT'S TENNESSEE!!!!!! The only way it could be worse is if it was somewhere like North Carolina!!! ;-) hehe

    Yeahhh Seeeeee ... I shouldn't be on here when drinkin' seeeee ... look what you mugs caused seeeee ....
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Posts: 4,131 ✭✭
    gmill880:
    PuroFreak:
    gmill880:
    fla-gypsy:
    Once again my brothers on the left insist on equating the idiocy of some podunk town in Tennessee with serious issues supported by my conservative brothers. Way to go guys, you just can't help yourself can you.

    First, I consider myself a conservative, so after having gotten that outta the way ...Why is this a "Podunk Town" , because of what they did or didn't do or just because its in Tennessee ???
    Are you serious Gene?? Because IT'S TENNESSEE!!!!!! The only way it could be worse is if it was somewhere like North Carolina!!! ;-) hehe

    Yeahhh Seeeeee ... I shouldn't be on here when drinkin' seeeee ... look what you mugs caused seeeee ....
    Haaaaa You just need to come on down to Texas so we can tear into this bottle of Pyrat XO Reserve and talk some trash brother.
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,808 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is interesting, as it illustrates points made by both the left and right from our little group. First, this happened about 20 miles from my house. Don't worry Gypsy, all of us here in Podunk already know what the Yankees in Florida think about us. For those who think Florida is part of "the South" that only applies to the panhandle, anything south of that is pretty much Yankee territory, you might as well be in New York, or Detroit, because that's where the residents came from.
    I, like most of my neighbors, shell out the $75.00 a year to support our local volunteer fire dept., whose area borders the one we're discussing, I think, there may be another in between. Protection could be had by paying taxes, $5 per year per landowner would probably cover it, but, nobody wants to vote for higher taxes, AND, they wouldn't just raise it by enough to cover the fire dept, there would have to be more, AND, if we did it that way, there would be too many regulations to meet.
    All this considered, $75.00 a year starts to sound like a money saving idea. The department that covers my area usually responds whether the folks have paid or not, but, that leads to more people not paying. The guys do it for free, but equipment costs money, a LOT of money. So, we pay out of pocket, knowing that our entire $75.00 is going to the fire department, and not being siphoned off for other things. I don't know how it is everywhere else, but, if every time the politicians raised our taxes "to pay for education for our kids", that money had gone toward education, we'd have a student/teacher ratio of about 1:4. Sorry state of affairs, but at least this way the money's well spent.
    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

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  • gmill880gmill880 Posts: 5,947
    PuroFreak:
    gmill880:
    PuroFreak:
    gmill880:
    fla-gypsy:
    Once again my brothers on the left insist on equating the idiocy of some podunk town in Tennessee with serious issues supported by my conservative brothers. Way to go guys, you just can't help yourself can you.

    First, I consider myself a conservative, so after having gotten that outta the way ...Why is this a "Podunk Town" , because of what they did or didn't do or just because its in Tennessee ???
    Are you serious Gene?? Because IT'S TENNESSEE!!!!!! The only way it could be worse is if it was somewhere like North Carolina!!! ;-) hehe

    Yeahhh Seeeeee ... I shouldn't be on here when drinkin' seeeee ... look what you mugs caused seeeee ....
    Haaaaa You just need to come on down to Texas so we can tear into this bottle of Pyrat XO Reserve and talk some trash brother.

    Sounds good to me bro ...
  • KriegKrieg Posts: 5,188 ✭✭✭
    phobicsquirrel:
    So a county in Tennessee is making people pay fire protection fees and if you don't pay it you're out of luck. A family's house caught fire then the fire department wouldn't come out. Only when a neighbor's yard caught fire who did pay the fee they came out and the house continued to burn. I guess taxes don't matter now you need to pay even more. What's next? Keep the commons down, money rules.

    http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/Firefighters-watch-as-home-burns-to-the-ground-104052668.html
    This guy lived out in the middle of no where, where you had to pay a fire protection fee. So...basically...you don't pay for a service, you don't get the service. Sucks for him, if they put out his fire, then everyone else would stop paying and when another house catches on fire they would get sued cuz they didn't put out the fire while they did put out this guy's....would just turn into a huge mess.

    "Long ashes my friends."

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