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Anyone here suffer from back problems? My lower back seems to tweak/throw itself out about 1-3 times a year. It's from the belt line up on one side but sometimes my hips hurt, almost like they're not aligned properly. Sometimes it hurts in the crotch area too. It stemmed from an injury a long time ago, almost 20 years. I was working in a hotel and cockily went to pick up a heavy bag. I lifted it up and felt fine, until an hour or two later when I sneezed. I felt my back clench and I was huddled over in pain. It was very painful and I was out of work for three days.

Some poeple I've spoken to about it say to avoid surgery at all costs. In fact, I've never been to the doctor so I don't know if I even need surgery. But I'm getting tired of this happening. Sometimes I can't even walk and if you saw me try to walk, you would burst out laughing. And because the lower back gets jacked, the upper back muscles get tense and sore from overcompensating.

I do streches and yoga sometimes and I always try to lift with my legs. In fact, one time it happened just bending over to throw something in the trash under the sink.

Any advice?

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  • bigharpoonbigharpoon Posts: 2,963 ✭✭✭
    Hurting your back, feeling the pain later and then having it go out occasionally without any real trauma are all classic symptoms. My back has gone out a couple times, too. It sucks, I feel for ya bro.

    My advice is stay away from yoga for a little while, that's not as low impact as it might seem. Stretching is a good idea. Try to concentrate on stretching your hips and legs. If those are tight the muscles will pull constantly on your back and cause pain there even though the problem(s) may be rooted elsewhere.

    Pain often telecasts itself to areas that aren't the root cause of the pain. The last time my knee went out I went to a physical therapist and she looked me over and spent the whole time on my hips and my knee has been feeling great ever since.

    I HIGHLY, HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend massage therapy. If your muscles are tightened or spasming you need help getting them to relax and 'shut off.' Your leg, hip or back muscles sound like they are working overtime, probably 24 hours a day, every day. It sounds like you need a masseuse to get in there and release some tension to get those muscles to turn off.

    My wife is a masseuse and she deals with injury like this a lot. Often times after an injury your muscles tighten up as your body's natural response to try to protect itself and without a little help they might not be able to ever release and just relax. Without intervention you'll develop brand new problems as your other muscles will have to compensate for the questionable ones and the never ending cycle begins. Go get a massage, or several, and get your muscles to relax.
  • docbp87docbp87 Posts: 3,521
    Great advice from Harpoon... also, I don't know if you work out regularly, but strengthening your core muscles can really help alleviate the stress on back muscles that can cause a lot of back pain. Get those abs in shape!
  • camgfscamgfs Posts: 968
    Well, I may be the person to talk to about back pain because I live it every day of my life! I suffered a back injury while working as a truck driver / delivery person almost 7 years ago. Every doctor around and chiropractor said I'd be better in 6 to 8 weeks.......now 7 years later and I have lost my job (3 years ago) and gone back to school (college, 3 year program in Computer Programmer/Analist). I still have back pain every day and some days I simply can't put on my socks or walk my dog.

    I have to second or third the massage therapy. That, and cigars are the only real relief I get from my chronic back pain. The cigars help me more than anything and I would pay anything at all for a good couple hours of relief (too bad that ccom stopped selling to us Canadians, but I now have a crazy sellection of Cuban sticks to help me through the day).

    Take care of your back, see a chiropractor and a massage therapist and I HOPE you find something that works for you because if you don't, life sucks. I don't mean to sound hopeless. I still get out and fisn and camp and stuff, but sometimes the turkey buzzards circle me while I try to get myself off the ground before they attack, so take car of your back before you become lunch!

    no, I'm not kidding!!!

  • wwesternwwestern Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭
    I've got a bulging disk and a ruptured disk. Some days it's hell somedays it's like it never happened. When it does get bad I can give you a few tips.... Curl up in the fetal position, for me it's almost instant relief. Hot water on your back, get it as hot as you can handle then let it hit your back for a few minutes then crank it up some more as you get used to it.

    If you hips are really really hurting it maybe worth your time to head in and get it checked out. My legs would give out and all kinds of great stuff. There was nerve that the bulging disks was pinching, anyhow they just went in there and injected some *** that killed said nerve and presto no more lower body issues due to back. Hope it helps my friend.
  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll just toss in my 2 cents worth in the hope it'll help both of you. My child bride suffers from chronic back pain as well as lingering pain from a total knee replacement a coupleyears ago. We finally got to the point where her doctor referred her to a pain specialist. And therein lies the key.

    A pain specialist has numerous ways to deal with chronic pain. My wife, for example, went through a series of epidural injections to her spine administered by the pain specialist - as frequently as he felt prudent - but the pain persisted. The next, and probably final, step will be to implant a morphine pump just below the skin with a very slim tube (catheter) leading to her spinal column where it will meter out doses of painkiller directly into her spinal column. These doses are about 1/100 or less of the painkiller she's been taking orally. Much more effective and much better for her.

    Once we were referred to a pain specialist, he told us point-blank that there was no kind of pain that he couldn't stop. Even if it meant killing the particular nerve that was causing it. Scientific techniques nowadays are wondrous. By all means, ask your doctor to refer you to a pain specialist.

    Marty

  • zeebrazeebra Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭
    Its most likely your coxcis (sp?) tail bone. Its the last bone in your spine. I've have it go out on me every time lift something heavy! It does hurt. But I've been going to a chiropractor alot and it helps a ton. I would recommend you get some type of treatment for it, like the massage therapy or some other type of service from a good chiropractor.
  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I respectfully disagree. A chiropractor is good for some things but chronic pain isn't one of them. Ask for a specialist.

    Marty

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,917
    Thank you - a lot of good suggestions. My whole side swells up when this happens and it's extremely tender. I can actually see it in the mirror. Won't it hurt more to get it massaged or are you saying using massage as a preventive measure? I also could stand to lose some weight and need to hit the gym more. I'm sure that would help.
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    james40:
    Thank you - a lot of good suggestions. My whole side swells up when this happens and it's extremely tender. I can actually see it in the mirror. Won't it hurt more to get it massaged or are you saying using massage as a preventive measure? I also could stand to lose some weight and need to hit the gym more. I'm sure that would help.
    Now you're talking. All of the advice above is pretty good, too, for a variety of reasons. One thing to remember, you're always balancing yourself with your spine, the bigger you are out front, the harder you are on your back.

    A little heat can be great, but do not sit with the heat pad for hours or you WILL make it worse, Wwesterns "curl up" is good, aligns the vertebrae. Heat and stretch before activity, ICE it after. You won't like the ice at first, but it will help more than heat ever can.

    Lastly, there are some neurosurgeons out there who are working wonders, might be worth it, although if it goes bad it goes really reaaallly BAD!

    As for me? Got stuck holding up 800lbs tank track, May 16th 1985, and have had pain to some degree every single day, without exception, up until this moment. Nowadays it only "goes out" 3 or 4 times a year, and it's been a long time since I could't put my own pants or shoes on because of my back. (Knee's a different story, but since the replacement, that's better, too).

    Keep the size of your gut down, there are some really good exercises for lower back strengthening and vertrbral alignment, any physical therapist or chiropractor can give them to you, and they'll help, IF you'll do them. Most people won't, and those who do will stop when they feel better, until it happens again. This, too, I know from experience. Good luck!
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  • The ColonelThe Colonel Posts: 206
    All good advice... I have had one surgery for a herniated disc... blew that out putting groceries in the car the day before Christmas 3 years a go.. I am a licensed Physical Therapist, so I should know how to take care of my back... and I do.. but it is more the repetitive small stuff that leads to the micro tears in the surface of the disc that can lead to problems... ok enough of that.. my suggestion is to see a good Osteopath (DO) they can do a full evaluation, spinal manipulation if necessary and get you on the right track.. unfortunately back care is a life long job...
  • BlueRingsBlueRings Posts: 367
    I feel ya James. I been brought to tears and immobile for three to five days. I had surgery and it did help. I had them 4-5 times a year. Now I get it 1-2 a year. They are debilitating. You know when it's gonna hit so when I feel the lower twinge I ice it, heat it, stretch it, and medicate it and I usually escape the reaper. I take an anti-inflammatory, pain killer, and a muscle relaxant and I am right as rain the next morning. If you catch it before it gets you, you too can avoid the reaper. Good health and good luck to you.
  • cabinetmakercabinetmaker Posts: 2,560 ✭✭
    I've been dealing with it myself for 10 years now ever since I fell off a ladder and landed flat on my back on a concrete floor. Odd as it may sound, coffee does the most good for me. I drink a pot every morning, and within 10-15 minutes I'm functional. Avoid chiropractors at all costs if you have disk problems, they'll actually delay the healing and charge you for it in the process. Chiropractors and snake-oil salesmen are about equal, but the snake-oil might actually be better.
  • laker1963laker1963 Posts: 5,046
    Well I am that guy. The one that has had back surgery. I had my "instrumentation fusion" done almost 10 years ago now. I had suffered back problems since I was an early teenager. I had degenerative discs, and the nerve openings in my spine were too small and would pinch the nerves sometimes. It was constant dull throbbing pain, that would sometimes turn into a knife being driven into my lower back when a disc would move out of place.

    After many years of pain and DRs. telling me not to have surgery because I was too young and if not sucsessful I could be in more pain and worse shape, I waited.
    My Dr. finally suggested that I see a surgeon for a consult to see if he thought there was a good enough chance to try surgery.

    Well now except for a nasty scar that runs down from the middle of my back to just above my ass crack. This thing is like 12 - 14 inches long. I had a disc that was cracked and would move around if my back was bent just a certain way. That was what would cause the major pain. The surgeon removed part of that disc and took a bone graft from my hip and with that made up a bone cement. Then they inserted two titanium rods which span across three vertabrea. These are screwed to the disc above and below the damaged disc. The damaged disc had an insert put into the void where the part of the disc was removed and then the bone paste was applied to all as a cement.

    When I saw the first X-ray after the surgery I thought I would throw up. The screws they use look just like drywall screws! You could actually see the threads on the screws.

    My surgeon laughed atfer the surgery because I asked him if I would set off the scanners at the airport. He said that it shouldn't. The first time I flew after I had no problems. Since that time. with the added security and more sensitive scanning, I set it off every time. I now tell the person at the gate that I have had surgery and lift my shirt to show the scar. It saves quite a lot of time.

    I have been almost pain free for about 10 years now. I still am very stiff in the morning and the stretches that have been mentioned were shown to me after the surgery to help stretch the back in the morning. I can only sleep for about 6 - 7 hours tops as I still get quite stiff and sore while laying down. I am about 80% pain free most of the time which after 20+ years of some degree of pain constantly...seems like a good deal.

    I would NOT reccomend the surgery unless your surgeon thinks he can bring you pain relief. I got lucky and I am happy that my DR. got me to hold off for as long as I could before going the surgery route.

    I would suggest that you see your Dr. and tell him what is happening. Ask him for some muscle relaxants and when the back "goes out" take a couple of them and go lay down. If your back muscles start to tighten up you will NOT be able to bring yourself pain relief until they relax. That is one of the most important things you can do for a bad back... find a way to relax those muscles. Good luck with your problem. Hope you feel better today.
  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And, ya know, Laker I'd be willing to bet a stogie that a pain management specialist like I mentioned in a post (above) could solve that residual pain problem you have. They have a lot of tricks in their bag - more than I mentioned or more than I even know. But I'm a believer.

    They start with a minimalist approach (at least he did with my wife) and if it doesn't do the job, they'll kick it up a notch until they get the right response. No sense shooting a cannon when a pistol will do the job.

    Marty

  • laker1963laker1963 Posts: 5,046
    jlmarta:
    And, ya know, Laker I'd be willing to bet a stogie that a pain management specialist like I mentioned in a post (above) could solve that residual pain problem you have. They have a lot of tricks in their bag - more than I mentioned or more than I even know. But I'm a believer.

    They start with a minimalist approach (at least he did with my wife) and if it doesn't do the job, they'll kick it up a notch until they get the right response. No sense shooting a cannon when a pistol will do the job.

    Marty

    I agree Marty. I was offered some pain management after the surgery but after a couple of weeks I felt so much better that I declined. I told my Dr. that after 20+ years of the level of pain I had learned to live with, what was left was a walk in the park. I practice a lot of relaxation and stretching and find that I can easily deal with the bad days.

    I have a little bit of a different take on the pain. If it was constant like it used to be I would do something about it. The way it is now, I use the pain as an indicator that I may be over doing it or it's time to do some stretching or relaxing. Pain is the body's method of telling you to pay attention. IMO
  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah. I guess I'm just a wuss when it comes to pain. I went to a physical therapist a while back because I noticed my range of motion was declining. After looking at my x-rays he was pretty surprised that I wasn't in a lot of pain due to the amount of arthritis in my lower back. I don't have a pain problem because of it and I guess I should 'knock on wood'. I was just concerned about the loss of motion. Oh, well. Just keep on keepin' on, I guess.

    Marty

  • BlueRingsBlueRings Posts: 367
    I give it the big guns,LOL.
  • laker1963laker1963 Posts: 5,046
    jlmarta:
    Yeah. I guess I'm just a wuss when it comes to pain. I went to a physical therapist a while back because I noticed my range of motion was declining. After looking at my x-rays he was pretty surprised that I wasn't in a lot of pain due to the amount of arthritis in my lower back. I don't have a pain problem because of it and I guess I should 'knock on wood'. I was just concerned about the loss of motion. Oh, well. Just keep on keepin' on, I guess.

    Marty

    The stretching goes a long way for the range of motion. I was surprised just how much I still had. In fact after the operation I could touch my toes...hadn't been able to bend much below my knees prior to that.

    Does the Dr. say how the arthritis will progress as time goes on. Does it always advance?
  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He didn't say but I'm sure it's just a given - age = arthritis. I'd love to be wrong but I don't think so.

  • The SniperThe Sniper Posts: 3,910
    D@mn this thread, and d@mn james for starting it! My back is blowing up now! This is chronic... to put it in layman's terms, the discs in one's back are incased in a sac filled with a jelly like substance which acts as padding and as a shock absorber. Well, one of mine ruptured some years ago started leaking the jelly, and at this point in time I have no jelly left. What this means is once a year or so my back decides to blow up for no apparent reason to remind me what the true meaning of pain is. LOL

    Back specialist says my only two options are surgery (wrong answer) or taking pain injections in my spine which may or may not work (wrong again). I have found over the years that one well-timed valium will set me right again - think I'll take that option til it doesnt work anymore, thanks doc!

  • letsgowithbobletsgowithbob Posts: 677 ✭✭
    I threw my back out about 3 years ago, and it took about a week to get to a doctor, I spent the whole week either in the bathtub soaking in hot water, or at work. By the time I could get to a doc to get muscle relaxers, my back was pretty much f'ed. I went to a chiropractor and he straightened out my back. (we have a one of a kind chiropractor, he aligns it once, and says if you have problems make another appointment, not the 3 times a week for the next year kind of chiropractor)...I digress...anyways he gave me an exercise to do that has done wonders for my lower back. I lay down on my back with my butt against the wall and my feet up on the wall, and then lift my back up off the ground. What that did for me is help me to strengthen my core muscles again, and the back problems have gone away a lot since I did this. I really recommend strengthening your core muscles. It has helped me a lot. I would also try to find a good chiropractor. If you strengthen your core muscles while your back is out of alignment, you are only firming up your muscles around your injury, so that your back is strong, but out of alignment. If you align then strengthen, you will notice a huge difference. I have since tried to spend less time in the lazy boy, and more time in a regular chair sitting up straight. seems to work for me. Sorry for the novel..
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