Amy Winehouse is dead...

smoke_em_if_you_got_emsmoke_em_if_you_got_em Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭✭✭
Did you guys here about this. I just read it online this morning and I cant freakin believe it. I was wondering why one of her old videos was on tv today but didnt really think anything of it. Man as messed up as that chick was she had one of the greatest voices I have ever heard. Damn..died @ 27..yet another one that passed away too early. RIP Amy...

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  • stephen_hannibalstephen_hannibal Posts: 4,317
    Can't really say it's a surprise.

    And the quote of the moment.

    Tommy Lee (M
  • MarkerMarker Posts: 2,524
    stephen_hannibal:
    Can't really say it's a surprise.

    And the quote of the moment.

    Tommy Lee (M
  • The SniperThe Sniper Posts: 3,910
    stephen_hannibal:
    Can't really say it's a surprise.

    And the quote of the moment.

    Tommy Lee (M
  • roland_7707roland_7707 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭
    So.....
    One God, One Truth
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭
    no surprises here...
    i mean, i tried to make her go to rehab, but she said "no, no, no."

    i did what i could do.
  • skweekzskweekz PAPosts: 2,279 ✭✭✭
    kuzi16:
    no surprises here...
    i mean, i tried to make her go to rehab, but she said "no, no, no."

    i did what i could do.

    Ba-zing!


    You made my wife lol with that one...
  • BombayBombay Posts: 1,207
    kuzi16:
    no surprises here...
    i mean, i tried to make her go to rehab, but she said "no, no, no."

    i did what i could do.
    Heard that one this morning and it is still funny.
  • wwesternwwestern Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭
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    Wait you mean she died young?!
  • The ColonelThe Colonel Posts: 206
    Sorry I have no idea who Amy Winehouse is.. but seems her self destruct function was in high gear... I do agree the Norway killings were tragic and my prayers go out to their families..
  • fla-gypsyfla-gypsy Posts: 3,024 ✭✭
    Well I have never heard of her and it is always tragic when anyone self destructs because it is so unnecessary. When did killing yourself with alcohol and drugs become desirable??
  • LukoLuko Posts: 2,004
    I thought it was ironic to hear other singers/musicians who died at 27...Hendrix, Joplin, Kurt cobain, Jim Morrison.
  • RedtailhawkozRedtailhawkoz Posts: 2,915
    The Disease of Addiction Strikes Again....... R.I.P.
    READ THIS
    For Amy... By Russell Brand When you love someone who suffers from the disease of addiction you await the phone call. There will be a phone call. The sincere hope is that the call will be from the addict themselves, telling you they’ve had enough, that they’re ready to stop, ready to try something new. Of course though, you fear the o...ther call, the sad nocturnal chime from a friend or relative telling you it’s too late, she’s gone. Frustratingly it’s not a call you can ever make it must be received. It is impossible to intervene.
    I’ve known Amy Winehouse for years. When I first met her around Camden she was just some twit in a pink satin jacket shuffling round bars with mutual friends, most of whom were in cool Indie bands or peripheral Camden figures Withnail-ing their way through life on impotent charisma. Carl Barrat told me that “Winehouse” (which I usually called her and got a kick out of cos it’s kind of funny to call a girl by her surname) was a jazz singer, which struck me as a bizarrely anomalous in that crowd. To me with my limited musical knowledge this information placed Amy beyond an invisible boundary of relevance; “Jazz singer? She must be some kind of eccentric” I thought. I chatted to her anyway though, she was after all, a girl, and she was sweet and peculiar but most of all vulnerable.
    I was myself at that time barely out of rehab and was thirstily seeking less complicated women so I barely reflected on the now glaringly obvious fact that Winehouse and I shared an affliction, the disease of addiction. All addicts, regardless of the substance or their social status share a consistent and obvious symptom; they’re not quite present when you talk to them. They communicate to you through a barely discernible but un-ignorable veil. Whether a homeless smack head troubling you for 50p for a cup of tea or a coked-up, pinstriped exec foaming off about his “speedboat” there is a toxic aura that prevents connection. They have about them the air of elsewhere, that they’re looking through you to somewhere else they’d rather be. And of course they are. The priority of any addict is to anaesthetise the pain of living to ease the passage of the day with some purchased relief.
    From time to time I’d bump into Amy she had good banter so we could chat a bit and have a laugh, she was “a character” but that world was riddled with half cut, doped up chancers, I was one of them, even in early recovery I was kept afloat only by clinging to the bodies of strangers so Winehouse, but for her gentle quirks didn’t especially register.
    Then she became massively famous and I was pleased to see her acknowledged but mostly baffled because I’d not experienced her work and this not being the 1950’s I wondered how a “jazz singer” had achieved such cultural prominence. I wasn’t curious enough to do anything so extreme as listen to her music or go to one of her gigs, I was becoming famous myself at the time and that was an all consuming experience. It was only by chance that I attended a Paul Weller gig at the Roundhouse that I ever saw her live.
    I arrived late and as I made my way to the audience through the plastic smiles and plastic cups I heard the rolling, wondrous resonance of a female vocal. Entering the space I saw Amy on stage with Weller and his band; and then the awe. The awe that envelops when witnessing a genius. From her oddly dainty presence that voice, a voice that seemed not to come from her but from somewhere beyond even Billie and Ella, from the font of all greatness. A voice that was filled with such power and pain that it was at once entirely human yet laced with the divine. My ears, my mouth, my heart and mind all instantly opened. Winehouse. Winehouse? Winehouse! That twerp, all eyeliner and lager dithering up Chalk Farm Road under a back-combed barnet, the lips that I’d only seen clenching a fishwife *** and dribbling curses now a portal for this holy sound. So now I knew. She wasn’t just some hapless wannabe, yet another pissed up nit who was never gonna make it, nor was she even a ten-a-penny-chanteuse enjoying her fifteen minutes. She was a **** genius.
    Shallow fool that I am I now regarded her in a different light, the light that blazed down from heaven when she sang. That lit her up now and a new phase in our friendship began. She came on a few of my TV and radio shows, I still saw her about but now attended to her with a little more interest. Publicly though, Amy increasingly became defined by her addiction. Our media though is more interested in tragedy than talent, so the ink began to defect from praising her gift to chronicling her downfall. The destructive personal relationships, the blood soaked ballet slippers, the aborted shows, that youtube madness with the baby mice. In the public perception this ephemeral tittle-tattle replaced her timeless talent. This and her manner in our occasional meetings brought home to me the severity of her condition. Addiction is a serious disease; it will end with jail, mental institutions or death. I was 27 years old when through the friendship and help of Chip Somers of the treatment centre, Focus12 I found recovery, through Focus I was introduced to support fellowships for alcoholics and drug addicts which are very easy to find and open to anybody with a desire to stop drinking and without which I would not be alive.
    Now Amy Winehouse is dead, like many others whose unnecessary deaths have been retrospectively romanticised, at 27 years old. Whether this tragedy was preventable or not is now irrelevant. It is not preventable today. We have lost a beautiful and talented woman to this disease. Not all addicts have Amy’s incredible talent. Or Kurt’s or Jimi’s or Janis’s, some people just get the affliction. All we can do is adapt the way we view this condition, not as a crime or a romantic affectation but as a disease that will kill. We need to review the way society treats addicts, not as criminals but as sick people in need of care. We need to look at the way our government funds rehabilitation. It is cheaper to rehabilitate an addict than to send them to prison, so criminalisation doesn’t even make economic sense. Not all of us know someone with the incredible talent that Amy had but we all know drunks and junkies and they all need help and the help is out there. All they have to do is pick up the phone and make the call. Or not. Either way, there will be a phone call.

    Many years ago...... I made the Call........ Ive burried Dozens that didnt!
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  • wwesternwwestern Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭
    Luko:
    I thought it was ironic to hear other singers/musicians who died at 27...Hendrix, Joplin, Kurt cobain, Jim Morrison.
    She doesn't belong in this group....just sayin.
  • cabinetmakercabinetmaker Posts: 2,561
    wwestern:
    Luko:
    I thought it was ironic to hear other singers/musicians who died at 27...Hendrix, Joplin, Kurt cobain, Jim Morrison.
    She doesn't belong in this group....just sayin.
    Maybe that was what she wanted, to be part of that club, lol. Tragic? Nope. Surprise? Nope The only surprise is she held off this long. She had a way out, but she said no, no, no...
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭
    Luko:
    I thought it was ironic to hear other singers/musicians who died at 27...Hendrix, Joplin, Kurt cobain, Jim Morrison.
    but that is where the comparison ends. she was no morrison, hendrix, joplin, or cobain.
  • Ken_LightKen_Light Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭
    wwestern:
    Luko:
    I thought it was ironic to hear other singers/musicians who died at 27...Hendrix, Joplin, Kurt cobain, Jim Morrison.
    She doesn't belong in this group....just sayin.
    +1, you can't force your way into that group by suicide. I mean if Bieber gets hit by a truck in 10 years does he get in too? If so, we should have a moratorium on trucks for a year. You know, just in case.

    PS: Yes, I Googled Bieber's age...
    ^Troll: DO NOT FEED.
  • RedtailhawkozRedtailhawkoz Posts: 2,915
    What is really Sad is that another VERY TALANTED person is Dead due to the Disease of Addiction. Who is to say if she Belongs in this group or not, That doesnt really Matter..... I dont see anyone Putting BON Scott in that List? He wasnt 27, but died from the disease of addiction, AC DC is by far one of the Most Succesful Rock Bands In History weather you like them or not.. THATS A FACT.
    Also we could go on and on, John Belushi was one of the funniest persons to have ever walked the earth... Death By Addiction.......
    I dont care who you are... EVERYONE knows someone who is an addict...... Pic u-p your local paper and read the obituaries....... see some people younger like 50 or younger... if there is no memorial or cause of death or Battle with Cancer... there is better than a 90 % chance they died from the disease of addiction or SUicide ( caused by the disease of addiction)..........
    This happens to be an area that I have great Knowledge and unfortunatley way to much expierience in...... I work with Addicts on a DAILY basis......I see ADDICTS DIE .......
    I find nothing funny or Debateable about how or why a person Dies from this Disease or do I think Debateing weather someone who is Famous or in the Media dies of where they stand in line of Importance............
    The only lsilver lining in this is that SOme Addicts that were her fans may seek help and try not to be the next statistic.
  • smoke_em_if_you_got_emsmoke_em_if_you_got_em Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Redtailhawkoz:
    What is really Sad is that another VERY TALANTED person is Dead due to the Disease of Addiction. Who is to say if she Belongs in this group or not, That doesnt really Matter..... I dont see anyone Putting BON Scott in that List? He wasnt 27, but died from the disease of addiction, AC DC is by far one of the Most Succesful Rock Bands In History weather you like them or not.. THATS A FACT.
    Also we could go on and on, John Belushi was one of the funniest persons to have ever walked the earth... Death By Addiction.......
    I dont care who you are... EVERYONE knows someone who is an addict...... Pic u-p your local paper and read the obituaries....... see some people younger like 50 or younger... if there is no memorial or cause of death or Battle with Cancer... there is better than a 90 % chance they died from the disease of addiction or SUicide ( caused by the disease of addiction)..........
    This happens to be an area that I have great Knowledge and unfortunatley way to much expierience in...... I work with Addicts on a DAILY basis......I see ADDICTS DIE .......
    I find nothing funny or Debateable about how or why a person Dies from this Disease or do I think Debateing weather someone who is Famous or in the Media dies of where they stand in line of Importance............
    The only lsilver lining in this is that SOme Addicts that were her fans may seek help and try not to be the next statistic.


    great post Oz. I started the post from a FAN point of view. Does that mean I agree with her habits or addictions, NOPE. But I really LOVE her music and the sound of her voice. And even though she hadnt released any music recently I still enjoy listening to the music that she created with her talents. Its a public forum and we will all have our opinions and thoughts and thats why there is no need for this to cause any issues among the forum. Think I might actually listen to some Winehouse right now. Take it easy fellas.
  • MarkerMarker Posts: 2,524
    kuzi16:
    Luko:
    I thought it was ironic to hear other singers/musicians who died at 27...Hendrix, Joplin, Kurt cobain, Jim Morrison.
    but that is where the comparison ends. she was no morrison, hendrix, joplin, or cobain.
    Cobain. Seriously. Clean him up and see what happens. Nothing would happen. Was he a genius? No, sorry. I am not a fan of Joplin or Morrison but they were much bigger talents. Jimi beats them all. Not only could he sing but he could actually play an instrument. Wasted talent is just that, a waste. Here is a comparison I thought up. Think of the baseball hall of fame. For all of its quirks and issues there is some reasoning there. If you have a player that was really, really great for 5 years but then was not good or died, they are not HoF worthy. Not only do you have to play great but you have to do it for years and years. Amy didn't perform at a high level for years and years. She did it for a bit then died. Tragic, but she does not belong with other much better musicians. Marker.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭
    Marker:
    kuzi16:
    Luko:
    I thought it was ironic to hear other singers/musicians who died at 27...Hendrix, Joplin, Kurt cobain, Jim Morrison.
    but that is where the comparison ends. she was no morrison, hendrix, joplin, or cobain.
    Cobain. Seriously. Clean him up and see what happens. Nothing would happen. Was he a genius? No, sorry. I am not a fan of Joplin or Morrison but they were much bigger talents. Jimi beats them all. Not only could he sing but he could actually play an instrument. Wasted talent is just that, a waste. Here is a comparison I thought up. Think of the baseball hall of fame. For all of its quirks and issues there is some reasoning there. If you have a player that was really, really great for 5 years but then was not good or died, they are not HoF worthy. Not only do you have to play great but you have to do it for years and years. Amy didn't perform at a high level for years and years. She did it for a bit then died. Tragic, but she does not belong with other much better musicians. Marker.
    i see what you are saying. the reason i included him on this list is because he did what the others on the list did... he started a music revolution. nobody was like the doors. nobody was like joplin. nobody was like hendrix. they started things that were bigger than themselves. so did cobain. like him or not, talent or not, he changed the way people looked at music.
    winehouse, though talented ( more so than cobain) did not have a huge impact on the music world.
    thats all im sayin.
  • LukoLuko Posts: 2,004
    kuzi16:
    Marker:
    kuzi16:
    Luko:
    I thought it was ironic to hear other singers/musicians who died at 27...Hendrix, Joplin, Kurt cobain, Jim Morrison.
    but that is where the comparison ends. she was no morrison, hendrix, joplin, or cobain.
    Cobain. Seriously. Clean him up and see what happens. Nothing would happen. Was he a genius? No, sorry. I am not a fan of Joplin or Morrison but they were much bigger talents. Jimi beats them all. Not only could he sing but he could actually play an instrument. Wasted talent is just that, a waste. Here is a comparison I thought up. Think of the baseball hall of fame. For all of its quirks and issues there is some reasoning there. If you have a player that was really, really great for 5 years but then was not good or died, they are not HoF worthy. Not only do you have to play great but you have to do it for years and years. Amy didn't perform at a high level for years and years. She did it for a bit then died. Tragic, but she does not belong with other much better musicians. Marker.
    i see what you are saying. the reason i included him on this list is because he did what the others on the list did... he started a music revolution. nobody was like the doors. nobody was like joplin. nobody was like hendrix. they started things that were bigger than themselves. so did cobain. like him or not, talent or not, he changed the way people looked at music.
    winehouse, though talented ( more so than cobain) did not have a huge impact on the music world.
    thats all im sayin.
    And I wasn't comparing any of them to one another or commenting on any of their talents. I just pointed out something I'd read which was that it's a strange irony to have those singers/musicians die at age 27. Statistically, it's nothing exciting. Probably just as many influential musicians died at age 28, but I didn't read about them.

    I really don't have an opinion about Winehouse's music. I'm not much of a music fan and the only song of her's I've ever heard is that rehab song. And frankly I could care less that she died. Like Morrison said, "no one here gets out alive."
  • roland_7707roland_7707 Posts: 2,834 ✭✭✭
    I guess I need to youtube her or something, I have no idea who she was, what she has done, or did.
    Dying that way was tragic, but it was her life. Hope someone learned a lesson from it.
    One God, One Truth
  • MarkerMarker Posts: 2,524
    kuzi16:
    Marker:
    kuzi16:
    Luko:
    I thought it was ironic to hear other singers/musicians who died at 27...Hendrix, Joplin, Kurt cobain, Jim Morrison.
    but that is where the comparison ends. she was no morrison, hendrix, joplin, or cobain.
    Cobain. Seriously. Clean him up and see what happens. Nothing would happen. Was he a genius? No, sorry. I am not a fan of Joplin or Morrison but they were much bigger talents. Jimi beats them all. Not only could he sing but he could actually play an instrument. Wasted talent is just that, a waste. Here is a comparison I thought up. Think of the baseball hall of fame. For all of its quirks and issues there is some reasoning there. If you have a player that was really, really great for 5 years but then was not good or died, they are not HoF worthy. Not only do you have to play great but you have to do it for years and years. Amy didn't perform at a high level for years and years. She did it for a bit then died. Tragic, but she does not belong with other much better musicians. Marker.
    i see what you are saying. the reason i included him on this list is because he did what the others on the list did... he started a music revolution. nobody was like the doors. nobody was like joplin. nobody was like hendrix. they started things that were bigger than themselves. so did cobain. like him or not, talent or not, he changed the way people looked at music.
    winehouse, though talented ( more so than cobain) did not have a huge impact on the music world.
    thats all im sayin.
    Yeah Kuz. I see what you are saying from an impact standpoint. I just wish people would stop giving Cobain any credit for being talented. He really wasn't. It was opportunistic and he was the opportunist at the time. Many others could have done the same thing that were garage/grunge bands at the time just not discovered. No one here really gave any credit to Cobain for being talented but I have to say my piece against him. Just a reaction when I see his name.
  • RedtailhawkozRedtailhawkoz Posts: 2,915
    smoke em if you got em:
    Redtailhawkoz:
    What is really Sad is that another VERY TALANTED person is Dead due to the Disease of Addiction. Who is to say if she Belongs in this group or not, That doesnt really Matter..... I dont see anyone Putting BON Scott in that List? He wasnt 27, but died from the disease of addiction, AC DC is by far one of the Most Succesful Rock Bands In History weather you like them or not.. THATS A FACT.
    Also we could go on and on, John Belushi was one of the funniest persons to have ever walked the earth... Death By Addiction.......
    I dont care who you are... EVERYONE knows someone who is an addict...... Pic u-p your local paper and read the obituaries....... see some people younger like 50 or younger... if there is no memorial or cause of death or Battle with Cancer... there is better than a 90 % chance they died from the disease of addiction or SUicide ( caused by the disease of addiction)..........
    This happens to be an area that I have great Knowledge and unfortunatley way to much expierience in...... I work with Addicts on a DAILY basis......I see ADDICTS DIE .......
    I find nothing funny or Debateable about how or why a person Dies from this Disease or do I think Debateing weather someone who is Famous or in the Media dies of where they stand in line of Importance............
    The only lsilver lining in this is that SOme Addicts that were her fans may seek help and try not to be the next statistic.


    great post Oz. I started the post from a FAN point of view. Does that mean I agree with her habits or addictions, NOPE. But I really LOVE her music and the sound of her voice. And even though she hadnt released any music recently I still enjoy listening to the music that she created with her talents. Its a public forum and we will all have our opinions and thoughts and thats why there is no need for this to cause any issues among the forum. Think I might actually listen to some Winehouse right now. Take it easy fellas.

    Thanks man, it is just something I am Passionate about, and putting my ego aside , i have helped many people not die from this disease and get paid everyday i see them LIVING LIFE CLEAN! ITS ALL GOOD !
  • skweekzskweekz PAPosts: 2,279 ✭✭✭
    Redtailhawkoz:
    it is just something I am Passionate about, and putting my ego aside , i have helped many people not die from this disease and get paid everyday i see them LIVING LIFE CLEAN! ITS ALL GOOD !

    Oz, any chance you can move to Pennsylvania? We have a horrible drug problem here. The rehab centers are an absolute joke. They're just a way for junkies to beat the system and avoid jail time.
  • RedtailhawkozRedtailhawkoz Posts: 2,915
    I used to Live in Ohio I know the deal, where are you in PA. I have alot of Friends in Recovery there...send me a PM if you want some Info..
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