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Bad AndyBad Andy Posts: 848
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well with today's event...I don't think things will 'change' very much

I can't put into words how this whole thing has irked me but it really makes me wonder what direction this country is going in...

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  • gmill880gmill880 Posts: 5,947 ✭
    Well now thats he's elected and sworn in lets see what he can do. I too doubt many things will change Andy. As an American who gets up every morning and goes to work and pays my dues the thing I'm most dissapointed in right now is the immense amount of money , million and millions spent on this weekends events,concerts,etc. Yes , we get it, he's black and this is historical,but is that a good projection to make while people are losing jobs,homes,retirements and worrying about their lives. well, you may argue , a few million here or there won't matter. Well perception is in a big part reality. How many soup kitchens coulda been funded with that money,how many school books bought, how much more equipment bought for our nations police depts.--some where that wasted money could have fed the poor,educated the kids or possibly saved a officers or a soldiers life so don't tell me it dosn't matter , try telling that to those people or their families.......will someone help me off this soapbox.......
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭
    i think there will be alot of change...


    ...just not much of it will be how government is run.
    it will be politics as usual.


    as far as the common folk?

    we will continue down the road that we have been on some time. changing slowly from liberty to regulation.
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  • bangalohrbangalohr Posts: 81
    As far as spending money on frivilous celebrations, I don't like it. I do, however, believe that it's important to give people something to be excited about. We're in a slowing economy, we're in a war on 2 fronts, and people have lost faith in the office of the president. We're a country who idolizes celebrity. As much as I dislike it, I think it might be necessary to make one of our president.
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭
    Well I think he'll get things on a good start. I'm not saying things will be completely different but I think he isn't a fan of how things have been either. I guess we will all see in about a year or two. I'm still pissed about the cigar tax though...
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Posts: 4,131 ✭✭
    I think today is a step back for America. I admit it is a huge deal to be the first black president, but the Office of the President is much larger than race! The fact that over $150 million was spent on this just shows the total contempt our political figures have for the American people. This is a bigger waste of money than the "Fail Out" package just on a smaller scale. In all seriousness a quick swearing in then a luncheon would have been more than enough for ANY president. This is a gross display of self gratification!
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭
    PuroFreak:
    I think today is a step back for America. I admit it is a huge deal to be the first black president, but the Office of the President is much larger than race! The fact that over $150 million was spent on this just shows the total contempt our political figures have for the American people. This is a bigger waste of money than the "Fail Out" package just on a smaller scale. In all seriousness a quick swearing in then a luncheon would have been more than enough for ANY president. This is a gross display of self gratification!
    i seem to remember the left complaining about W's inaugural ceremony price tag.


    ...it was a third of Obama's
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  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Posts: 4,131 ✭✭
    kuzi16:
    PuroFreak:
    I think today is a step back for America. I admit it is a huge deal to be the first black president, but the Office of the President is much larger than race! The fact that over $150 million was spent on this just shows the total contempt our political figures have for the American people. This is a bigger waste of money than the "Fail Out" package just on a smaller scale. In all seriousness a quick swearing in then a luncheon would have been more than enough for ANY president. This is a gross display of self gratification!
    i seem to remember the left complaining about W's inaugural ceremony price tag.


    ...it was a third of Obama's
    Yea, you are correct, but I complained too. There is seriously no point in that much being blown on any political figure. I am disgusted with our the current outlook for our country.
  • urbinourbino Posts: 4,517 ✭
    kuzi16:
    PuroFreak:
    I think today is a step back for America. I admit it is a huge deal to be the first black president, but the Office of the President is much larger than race! The fact that over $150 million was spent on this just shows the total contempt our political figures have for the American people. This is a bigger waste of money than the "Fail Out" package just on a smaller scale. In all seriousness a quick swearing in then a luncheon would have been more than enough for ANY president. This is a gross display of self gratification!
    i seem to remember the left complaining about W's inaugural ceremony price tag.


    ...it was a third of Obama's
    I read somewhere that over half of that $150m was for security. Security for W's inauguration was less expensive because a) he's not America's first black president, and b) far fewer people attended.

    I don't like to see millions of dollars thrown around on inaugurals, either. It's not taxpayer money, so I guess I don't really have much say in it, but it's still unseemly.
  • madurofanmadurofan Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭
    urbino:
    kuzi16:
    PuroFreak:
    I think today is a step back for America. I admit it is a huge deal to be the first black president, but the Office of the President is much larger than race! The fact that over $150 million was spent on this just shows the total contempt our political figures have for the American people. This is a bigger waste of money than the "Fail Out" package just on a smaller scale. In all seriousness a quick swearing in then a luncheon would have been more than enough for ANY president. This is a gross display of self gratification!
    i seem to remember the left complaining about W's inaugural ceremony price tag.


    ...it was a third of Obama's
    I read somewhere that over half of that $150m was for security. Security for W's inauguration was less expensive because a) he's not America's first black president, and b) far fewer people attended.

    I don't like to see millions of dollars thrown around on inaugurals, either. It's not taxpayer money, so I guess I don't really have much say in it, but it's still unseemly.
    A disturbing fact about the security though. The DC Metro police were all on duty for the inauguration. This is the same police force that cut ALL OT and just laid off policemen. Obama and his donors did NOT pay for their OT for this.
  • urbinourbino Posts: 4,517 ✭
    I'm sure they didn't. I wasn't talking about security for the inauguration itself. I'm sure that's taxpayer money. But I don't see how anybody can b-itch about that; the Secret Service, FBI, etc., order as much security as they think they need. Protecting the president costs what it costs. It's not anything of Obama's doing, and I'm virtually certain it's not in the $150m people are talking about for Obama's inauguration. That's for the celebrations, etc., that the Obama people planned, and most of it is for security.
  • madurofanmadurofan Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭
    I'm not sure if its in the $150 million or not and I'm not blaming Obama. It more bothers me that they're laying off cops and cutting OT in one of the most crime riddled cities in all of the US BUT they can put the whole police force on duty for a celebration.
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭
    PuroFreak:
    kuzi16:
    PuroFreak:
    I think today is a step back for America. I admit it is a huge deal to be the first black president, but the Office of the President is much larger than race! The fact that over $150 million was spent on this just shows the total contempt our political figures have for the American people. This is a bigger waste of money than the "Fail Out" package just on a smaller scale. In all seriousness a quick swearing in then a luncheon would have been more than enough for ANY president. This is a gross display of self gratification!
    i seem to remember the left complaining about W's inaugural ceremony price tag.


    ...it was a third of Obama's
    Yea, you are correct, but I complained too. There is seriously no point in that much being blown on any political figure. I am disgusted with our the current outlook for our country.
    Puro, your a cool guy but come on.. Like the country was blooming and prospering the last 8 years, the Country has fell so far and for what? I seriously doubt anyone could do worse things for this country than the last administration. Bush and his friends really robbed this county of it's economic, diplomatic, and constitutional merits, not to mention fail the American People. And I'm not just bashing bush, I blame congress and the senate for allowing things to get this far.
  • urbinourbino Posts: 4,517 ✭
    madurofan:
    I'm not sure if its in the $150 million or not and I'm not blaming Obama. It more bothers me that they're laying off cops and cutting OT in one of the most crime riddled cities in all of the US BUT they can put the whole police force on duty for a celebration.
    Oh, I didn't mean to suggest you were blaming Obama. That comment was directed elsewhere.

    As for the labor management practices at the DCPD, I pretty much never understand how any organization makes those decisions. They rarely make any sense to me. If I were guessing in this case, though, I'd guess it probably has something to do with the loaded cost (wages + bennies) of having an officer on the force full time. I dunno what health insurance for cops costs, but it can't be cheap. The PD probably is saving a lot of money with a smaller force, even with the inauguration OT. As for why they're laying people off when the crime rate is high, my guess is they probably just don't have the money. Cities and states are the first ones hit when the economy craters.

    I don't know what the rules are on this, but it occurs to me it's possible the Obama Inauguration Committee, or whatever it's called, has to reimburse the city for some or all of those OT costs.
  • dutyjedutyje Posts: 2,263 ✭
    kuzi16:
    i seem to remember the left complaining about W's inaugural ceremony price tag.


    ...it was a third of Obama's
    yeah, but a gallon of milk cost a third as much then as it does now, too
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Posts: 4,131 ✭✭
    phobicsquirrel:
    PuroFreak:
    kuzi16:
    PuroFreak:
    I think today is a step back for America. I admit it is a huge deal to be the first black president, but the Office of the President is much larger than race! The fact that over $150 million was spent on this just shows the total contempt our political figures have for the American people. This is a bigger waste of money than the "Fail Out" package just on a smaller scale. In all seriousness a quick swearing in then a luncheon would have been more than enough for ANY president. This is a gross display of self gratification!
    i seem to remember the left complaining about W's inaugural ceremony price tag.


    ...it was a third of Obama's
    Yea, you are correct, but I complained too. There is seriously no point in that much being blown on any political figure. I am disgusted with our the current outlook for our country.
    Puro, your a cool guy but come on.. Like the country was blooming and prospering the last 8 years, the Country has fell so far and for what? I seriously doubt anyone could do worse things for this country than the last administration. Bush and his friends really robbed this county of it's economic, diplomatic, and constitutional merits, not to mention fail the American People. And I'm not just bashing bush, I blame congress and the senate for allowing things to get this far.
    You obviously missed the point of my entire post. It had nothing to do with the political change of office as much as it had to do with our entire nations attitude that "Celebrity status matters most." If it was a republican spending that much money I would gripe and say the same thing. Hell I think BOTH parties big conventions are a total waste of time and resources as well. This wasn't a political statement as much as an overall statement about how people look at things.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭
    i DID miss that point. but now i get it.


    this is why i feel that we are on the brink of some larger change than Obama. its gunna be one of two ways:
    1) we are gunna find ourselves in a very socialist country very quickly.
    OR
    there will be a rise in some third party because of all the people getting fed up with the BS that republocrats are feeding us.

    I could see it being the Libertarian party if they stopped having Idiots run for president. that and they need to start smaller than that. whatever. there is change in the air, but it isnt coming out of Obama... something else is coming out of Obama
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