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  • xmacroxmacro Posts: 3,402
    Vulchor:
    If you consider lying, cheating, stealing, shipping jobs over seas, being a biggot, gay bashing (while having gay affairs behind the scenes), and stripping rights under the fear of terrorism CLASS....then I would agree with you.

    But on a serious note, religion wise, as long as the right wing (or left wing for that matter) want to base everything on a presumed opinion of some guy that walked on water and lived 2,000 years ago....and his stories are VERY eerily similar to other religions prior to the current Christian movement-------then yes, I do have a hard time taking that seriously. Relying on mysticism and voodoo as opposed to science in reason, as advanced as we are as people, is absurd but even moreso...dangerous.
    Wow . . . . just wow.
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    Vulchor:
    If you consider lying, cheating, stealing, shipping jobs over seas, being a biggot, gay bashing (while having gay affairs behind the scenes), and stripping rights under the fear of terrorism CLASS....then I would agree with you.

    But on a serious note, religion wise, as long as the right wing (or left wing for that matter) want to base everything on a presumed opinion of some guy that walked on water and lived 2,000 years ago....and his stories are VERY eerily similar to other religions prior to the current Christian movement-------then yes, I do have a hard time taking that seriously. Relying on mysticism and voodoo as opposed to science in reason, as advanced as we are as people, is absurd but even moreso...dangerous.
    Wow, I could write a book on that last paragraph. Want to talk science? I'm a scientist (BS, MS) Environmental/geology. Do you believe in man-made global warming? Watch out, its a trick question.

    As to religion, I'll stay away from discussing that with you. You have made your opinions on that quite clear. You don't need it.
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    Vulchor:
    If you consider lying, cheating, stealing, shipping jobs over seas, being a biggot, gay bashing (while having gay affairs behind the scenes), and stripping rights under the fear of terrorism CLASS....then I would agree with you.

    But on a serious note, religion wise, as long as the right wing (or left wing for that matter) want to base everything on a presumed opinion of some guy that walked on water and lived 2,000 years ago....and his stories are VERY eerily similar to other religions prior to the current Christian movement-------then yes, I do have a hard time taking that seriously. Relying on mysticism and voodoo as opposed to science in reason, as advanced as we are as people, is absurd but even moreso...dangerous.
    As to the first paragraph, I'll refer you to my first post. you just lumped and ridiculed, sir.
  • VulchorVulchor Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭✭
    Lying, cheating, illogical, law breaking, pro-foreign over U.S., pro baby kiling, anti crime victim, pro illegal citizen, and pro tax-------There I lumped the liberals for you too;)

    I think people are entitled to religion btw....my kids go to a religious school and daycare btw. What I dont think is that religion is the answer to every question and should not trump thought and fact.
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    As a side track, here's a little eye-opening stuff about global warming, you know that thing that the lying, cheating, baby killing left calls scientific consensus.

    A lot of folks fell for this.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22/green-drivel
  • laker1963laker1963 Posts: 5,046
    beatnic:
    As a side track, here's a little eye-opening stuff about global warming, you know that thing that the lying, cheating, baby killing left calls scientific consensus.

    A lot of folks fell for this.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22/green-drivel
    Or a LOT of people find it convenient for business or a lot less scary to think about in those terms. We can all put our blinders on and let the people in power take care of us can we?
  • VulchorVulchor Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭✭
    Only the best of the best get elected in the US Doug....not sure about Canada;) Thats why our approval rates are around 12%
  • laker1963laker1963 Posts: 5,046
    Vulchor:
    Only the best of the best get elected in the US Doug....not sure about Canada;) Thats why our approval rates are around 12%
    Actually, we have a fascist for a PM right now. I actually look with envy to the US system at the moment.
  • VulchorVulchor Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭✭
    We have a socialist;)
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
    beatnic:
    in any argument with the far left, the English language is bastardized and mis-used to get their points across. Adjectives thrown in for ridicule, secular use of religious terms, The Hitler, Bush, slavery comparisons, All of these are merely their attempt to lump their opponents into one big baddie (i.e.: old, fat, white guys).
    JMO/
    Absolutely, I HATE when Rush does that. You are referring to Mr. Limbaugh, aren't you?
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    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    Amos Umwhat:
    beatnic:
    in any argument with the far left, the English language is bastardized and mis-used to get their points across. Adjectives thrown in for ridicule, secular use of religious terms, The Hitler, Bush, slavery comparisons, All of these are merely their attempt to lump their opponents into one big baddie (i.e.: old, fat, white guys).
    JMO/
    Absolutely, I HATE when Rush does that. You are referring to Mr. Limbaugh, aren't you?
    You listen to Rush?
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
    beatnic:
    You listen to Rush?
    And Sean Hannity, and Glen Beck, and Jim Bohannon, and read Jim Hightower, and Thomas Sowell. No one side has a monopoly on truth, or a complete vision of what's best in all circumstances.
    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • y2pascoey2pascoe Posts: 1,727 ✭✭
    Amos Umwhat:
    beatnic:
    You listen to Rush?
    And Sean Hannity, and Glen Beck, and Jim Bohannon, and read Jim Hightower, and Thomas Sowell. No one side has a monopoly on truth, or a complete vision of what's best in all circumstances.
    No Rachel Maddow?
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭
    beatnic:
    For every Soros, there's a Koch.
    actually there isn't. In fact there is a very low turnout of "left" rich people giving to Obama's campaign. The reason is a lot of them don't have the money that the "right" richies, and/or they don't think that giving all that money is the best thing to do with their money. The handful of rich people backing the Romney campaign are doing so for an investment.

    Also Soro's is one of the few multi billionaires that are on the left, though he doesn't invest him self or his money to screw over the public and rape the land and buy politicians. thing is, if you look at a lot of the wealthy people who align them selves with the "left" they do a lot of work for others and donate a lot to charities. However compared to the "right" where they spend a lot of their money on influencing policy to keep them getting higher profits. Also a lot of them have money in things that hurt us, ie fracking, oil, nuclear power, prisons, and drug companies. Also the enslavement of our economy.
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
    y2pascoe:
    Amos Umwhat:
    beatnic:
    You listen to Rush?
    And Sean Hannity, and Glen Beck, and Jim Bohannon, and read Jim Hightower, and Thomas Sowell. No one side has a monopoly on truth, or a complete vision of what's best in all circumstances.
    No Rachel Maddow?
    Gotta draw the line somewhere:/ Truly, she gets on my nerves.
    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • JDHJDH Posts: 2,107
    "The Law is an Ass."

    Charles Dickens

    Money is currency used for the buying and selling of material goods and services. It is not free, and it never will be.

    Speech is the expression, by human beings, of thoughts and ideas. It is guranteed to be Free by our Constitution.

    <BR George Orwell could not have devised a more approproiate "doublespeak".
  • MarkerMarker Posts: 2,524
    beatnic:
    As a side track, here's a little eye-opening stuff about global warming, you know that thing that the lying, cheating, baby killing left calls scientific consensus.

    A lot of folks fell for this.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22/green-drivel


    In Canada the Toronto Sun is considered a tabloid read by most. Anything put on it's pages is better used for lining a pet cage than putting into memory.
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    Marker:
    beatnic:
    As a side track, here's a little eye-opening stuff about global warming, you know that thing that the lying, cheating, baby killing left calls scientific consensus.

    A lot of folks fell for this.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22/green-drivel


    In Canada the Toronto Sun is considered a tabloid read by most. Anything put on it's pages is better used for lining a pet cage than putting into memory.
    It doesn't change the truth.
  • VulchorVulchor Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭✭
    An inconvienent truth?
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    Vulchor:
    An inconvienent truth?
    LOL. Have a good evening Vulch.
  • laker1963laker1963 Posts: 5,046
    beatnic:
    Marker:
    beatnic:
    As a side track, here's a little eye-opening stuff about global warming, you know that thing that the lying, cheating, baby killing left calls scientific consensus.

    A lot of folks fell for this.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22/green-drivel


    In Canada the Toronto Sun is considered a tabloid read by most. Anything put on it's pages is better used for lining a pet cage than putting into memory.
    It doesn't change the truth.
    I didn't know it was declared a truth! Wow now I can sleep better knowing that! Thank you.
    FYI most birds refuse to even *** on the Toronto Sun which is the northern version of Fox News.
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
    laker1963:
    .
    FYI most birds refuse to even *** on the Toronto Sun which is the northern version of Fox News.
    Now that made me laugh, thanks, I needed that! :D
    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • y2pascoey2pascoe Posts: 1,727 ✭✭
    Amos Umwhat:
    laker1963:
    .
    FYI most birds refuse to even *** on the Toronto Sun which is the northern version of Fox News.
    Now that made me laugh, thanks, I needed that! :D
    I read the article, and couldn't help but notice this excerpt from it:

    "Lovelock still believes anthropogenic global warming is occurring and that mankind must lower its greenhouse gas emissions, but says it’s now clear the doomsday predictions, including his own (and Al Gore’s) were incorrect."

    So, he's not really denying that there is in effect an occurring greenhouse effect, just that the severity of it is much less than he originally concluded.

    And I gotta pee.
  • Roberto99Roberto99 Posts: 1,077
    y2pascoe:
    Amos Umwhat:
    laker1963:
    .
    FYI most birds refuse to even *** on the Toronto Sun which is the northern version of Fox News.
    Now that made me laugh, thanks, I needed that! :D
    I read the article, and couldn't help but notice this excerpt from it:

    "Lovelock still believes anthropogenic global warming is occurring and that mankind must lower its greenhouse gas emissions, but says it’s now clear the doomsday predictions, including his own (and Al Gore’s) were incorrect."

    So, he's not really denying that there is in effect an occurring greenhouse effect, just that the severity of it is much less than he originally concluded.

    And I gotta pee.
    Saw an interesting story on Urbanization in the last century and its theorized effect on global warming. :-)
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    Roberto99:
    y2pascoe:
    Amos Umwhat:
    laker1963:
    .
    FYI most birds refuse to even *** on the Toronto Sun which is the northern version of Fox News.
    Now that made me laugh, thanks, I needed that! :D
    I read the article, and couldn't help but notice this excerpt from it:

    "Lovelock still believes anthropogenic global warming is occurring and that mankind must lower its greenhouse gas emissions, but says it’s now clear the doomsday predictions, including his own (and Al Gore’s) were incorrect."

    So, he's not really denying that there is in effect an occurring greenhouse effect, just that the severity of it is much less than he originally concluded.

    And I gotta pee.
    Saw an interesting story on Urbanization in the last century and its theorized effect on global warming. :-)
    No one will deny that, locally, we can really do a number on our environment. However, the Church of Global Warming is a hoax. It was fueled by folks like Al Gore and others to control the energy resources of the world. Carbon credits, credit exchange markets? And they would be the house? Its' all about the money, taking control of the energy by governments and world power players. And Algore doesn't give a hoot what country he gets his money from.

    I've been called a denyer and many other words, but I'm a scientist first. And no one, not Algore, the IPPC, or Dr. Loveless himself has yet to prove the relationship between increase CO2 and atmospheric temperature. Flat earther's couldn't prove their position either. I've seen the equations, and as of yet, no one has been able to prove that an increase in CO2 in the atmosphere produces any measurable increase in temperature. And CO2 has been called the culprit? If any one tells you that there is a "consensus among scientists", they are not scientists. Science is not about consensus. It is about provable theorems and none have been offered.

    Don't take this to mean that I a a fan of big oil, or that I'm anti green. I'd love to see cheap, affordable, renewable, environmentally friendly energy. Hell, my Masters thesis was on geothermal energy. But if it were doable today, the Exxons and Shells of the world would be funding it like there's no tomorrow. At the moment, oil is king. And every one of the politicians on this planet would love to control it. Even our current president understands this.
    P.S. The sun is the single most important controller of the earths atmosphere and sun-spot activity controls yearly climate changes across the globe. And there is data to prove it.
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