Glad I found this, a lot of good info. Plus, for some reason, I felt kind of guilty for retrohaling an almost every puff. I really just don't get much flavor from the smoke in my mouth.
Glad I found this, a lot of good info. Plus, for some reason, I felt kind of guilty for retrohaling an almost every puff. I really just don't get much flavor from the smoke in my mouth.
To me it depends... Some smokes, retro kind of ruins the flavors and I ahve ot force myself not to. However, Rip is right in that good aged tobacco shoudl have a good retrohale. Aging and quality tobacco is everything. That's how I tell what will benefit from age. For example, the Tres Reyna I had last night had an excellent finish but the retro was a bit harsh. In a year, it will mellow and become that much better.
I found this quote from a Franca Comparetto Cigar Sense email interesting, I hadn't heard this before.
"Most of the cigar aromas sensed in retro-hale come from the filler. The aromas smelled in direct olfaction (carefully approaching the nose to the lit foot of the cigar) mainly come from the wrapper, hence they typically are more volatile and aromatic."
When I smoke the Espinosa Wasabi cigar with a candela wrapper, I get spicy notes of wasabi in the retrohale. I always thought that came from the wrapper, but this quote implies that it's mostly coming from the filler. The Espinosa Sarsaparilla is being re-released and I only got notes of the Sarsaparilla in the retrohale too.
What do you think, does it make sense that most of the aromas you pick up in a retrohale are from the filler or do you have other ideas.
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Both wrapper and filler for me. I generally retro the second half or less of the exhale and it simply allows a more nuanced version of the first part. While both are good, the retro enhances the flavors overall. I definitely don't think it's a either or thing. Same smoke just more flavor sensory on the retro.
"Most of the cigar aromas sensed in retro-hale come from the filler. The aromas smelled in direct olfaction (carefully approaching the nose to the lit foot of the cigar) mainly come from the wrapper, hence they typically are more volatile and aromatic."
What I hear when I read that is "the aromas in the retro (smoke I've taken into my mouth and blown out my schnoz) come from the filler. The aromas I smell when I take a whiff of the foot with my schnoz, come from the wrapper."
That's kind of a "duh..." moment for me; IOW, when I smell the outside with my nose, I smell the wrapper. And when I smell the wrapper/binder/filler after pulling it through my mouth, I smell the filler.
Thanks Peter for breaking it down like that. It makes sense to me now. Smelling the wrapper by sniffing the cigar was clear, but I guess since there's more filler than wrapper it makes sense that most of the aroma in the retrohale would be from the filler just on a percentage basis.
I think I was overthinking it.
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Yeah but he's wrong. Clearly he's never been hit in the balls by hail traveling from the ground back up to the clouds. Ouch!
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Yeah but he's wrong. Clearly he's never been hit in the balls by hail traveling from the ground back up to the clouds. Ouch!
Only those who wear a kilt, or nothing at all would have that experience. So, do tell, which was it?
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@Rhamlin said:
I get a kick out of watching someone trying to learn how to do it. Nothing like a lungful of cigar smoke to wake you up😂
Being freshly back into cigars I find being an ex cig smoker causes me to occasionally inhale when doing this I think it's a subconscious thing but i do know I need to break myself of it sooner than later because it definitely wakes you up...lol
CigarSense recorded this tasting exercise with Travis Pappenheim of Altadis during one of our past Cigar Sense Parlor events that goes into depth on the art of the retrohale.
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I found this quote from a Franca Comparetto Cigar Sense email interesting, I hadn't heard this before.
"Most of the cigar aromas sensed in retro-hale come from the filler. The aromas smelled in direct olfaction (carefully approaching the nose to the lit foot of the cigar) mainly come from the wrapper, hence they typically are more volatile and aromatic."
When I smoke the Espinosa Wasabi cigar with a candela wrapper, I get spicy notes of wasabi in the retrohale. I always thought that came from the wrapper, but this quote implies that it's mostly coming from the filler. The Espinosa Sarsaparilla is being re-released and I only got notes of the Sarsaparilla in the retrohale too.
What do you think, does it make sense that most of the aromas you pick up in a retrohale are from the filler or do you have other ideas.
Both wrapper and filler for me. I generally retro the second half or less of the exhale and it simply allows a more nuanced version of the first part. While both are good, the retro enhances the flavors overall. I definitely don't think it's a either or thing. Same smoke just more flavor sensory on the retro.
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This thread is retro.
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"Most of the cigar aromas sensed in retro-hale come from the filler. The aromas smelled in direct olfaction (carefully approaching the nose to the lit foot of the cigar) mainly come from the wrapper, hence they typically are more volatile and aromatic."
What I hear when I read that is "the aromas in the retro (smoke I've taken into my mouth and blown out my schnoz) come from the filler. The aromas I smell when I take a whiff of the foot with my schnoz, come from the wrapper."
That's kind of a "duh..." moment for me; IOW, when I smell the outside with my nose, I smell the wrapper. And when I smell the wrapper/binder/filler after pulling it through my mouth, I smell the filler.
Thanks Peter for breaking it down like that. It makes sense to me now. Smelling the wrapper by sniffing the cigar was clear, but I guess since there's more filler than wrapper it makes sense that most of the aroma in the retrohale would be from the filler just on a percentage basis.
I think I was overthinking it.
I retro almost every puff.
"Retro-Hail" is fake news. You're all lying to yourselves.
I like this guys style
Yeah but he's wrong. Clearly he's never been hit in the balls by hail traveling from the ground back up to the clouds. Ouch!
Only those who wear a kilt, or nothing at all would have that experience. So, do tell, which was it?
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Is one really more degrading than another?
yes, which one is BMI dependent.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
I get a kick out of watching someone trying to learn how to do it. Nothing like a lungful of cigar smoke to wake you up😂
Being freshly back into cigars I find being an ex cig smoker causes me to occasionally inhale when doing this I think it's a subconscious thing but i do know I need to break myself of it sooner than later because it definitely wakes you up...lol
CigarSense recorded this tasting exercise with Travis Pappenheim of Altadis during one of our past Cigar Sense Parlor events that goes into depth on the art of the retrohale.