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The_KidThe_Kid Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭
IMO Sam Bacile is an idiot and should be brought up on charges of inciting a riot and involuntary manslaughter.
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/12/13824089-us-ambassador-3-others-killed-in-attacks-on-libya-mission?lite
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  • y2pascoey2pascoe Posts: 1,727 ✭✭
    Unforgivably shameful what he did. I hope his financers get outed.

    Once again though, I wish our friends over there in the Middle East could find a healthier outlet for their rage. Do they have raquetball over there?
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    Freedom of Speech! Perhaps more outrage should be put towards the Libyans. I find it hard to believe that a group of thugs could get into the US Embassy so easily. Our Marines would never let that happen. The operatives were escorted in by the Libyan Gov. IMO.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭
    The Kid:
    IMO Sam Bacile is an idiot and should be brought up on charges of inciting a riot and involuntary manslaughter.
    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/12/13824089-us-ambassador-3-others-killed-in-attacks-on-libya-mission?lite
    Bullshit.

    the only people who should be in hot water over this is the people that actually killed other people.
    poor speech does not give a right to riot and kill. there is no justification for that no matter how stupid the speech was.

    just because someone calls my belief system stupid, irrational, barbaric, or any other number of horrible things does not mean that they are at fault for my actions.
    personal responsibility is still at play here.

    in a civil society, when someone uses their free speech to disagree with me i have my free speech to defend myself and rational people can decide who is right. Civil people do not riot over an insult.
  • y2pascoey2pascoe Posts: 1,727 ✭✭
    Uh-oh, here it comes. Everyone on the CCOM forums is about to become a 1st Amendment Scholar.
  • JDHJDH Posts: 2,107
    kuzi16:
    The Kid:
    IMO Sam Bacile is an idiot and should be brought up on charges of inciting a riot and involuntary manslaughter.
    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/12/13824089-us-ambassador-3-others-killed-in-attacks-on-libya-mission?lite
    Bullshit.

    the only people who should be in hot water over this is the people that actually killed other people.
    poor speech does not give a right to riot and kill. there is no justification for that no matter how stupid the speech was.

    just because someone calls my belief system stupid, irrational, barbaric, or any other number of horrible things does not mean that they are at fault for my actions.
    personal responsibility is still at play here.

    in a civil society, when someone uses their free speech to disagree with me i have my free speech to defend myself and rational people can decide who is right. Civil people do not riot over an insult.
    When lies inspire religous zealots to violence, neither party is blameless; not the liar who excersiced his "free speech", or the intolerant religious bigots who commited the crimes. What that guy did was worse than standing up in a closed theatre and screaming FIRE! What those rioters did was exactly what we can expect from bigoted, religious Muslim fanatics.
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    JDH:
    kuzi16:
    The Kid:
    IMO Sam Bacile is an idiot and should be brought up on charges of inciting a riot and involuntary manslaughter.
    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/12/13824089-us-ambassador-3-others-killed-in-attacks-on-libya-mission?lite
    Bullshit.

    the only people who should be in hot water over this is the people that actually killed other people.
    poor speech does not give a right to riot and kill. there is no justification for that no matter how stupid the speech was.

    just because someone calls my belief system stupid, irrational, barbaric, or any other number of horrible things does not mean that they are at fault for my actions.
    personal responsibility is still at play here.

    in a civil society, when someone uses their free speech to disagree with me i have my free speech to defend myself and rational people can decide who is right. Civil people do not riot over an insult.
    When lies inspire religous zealots to violence, neither party is blameless; not the liar who excersiced his "free speech", or the intolerant religious bigots who commited the crimes. What that guy did was worse than standing up in a closed theatre and screaming FIRE! What those rioters did was exactly what we can expect from bigoted, religious Muslim fanatics.
    You assume he's lying?
  • JDHJDH Posts: 2,107
    beatnic:
    JDH:
    kuzi16:
    The Kid:
    IMO Sam Bacile is an idiot and should be brought up on charges of inciting a riot and involuntary manslaughter.
    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/12/13824089-us-ambassador-3-others-killed-in-attacks-on-libya-mission?lite
    Bullshit.

    the only people who should be in hot water over this is the people that actually killed other people.
    poor speech does not give a right to riot and kill. there is no justification for that no matter how stupid the speech was.

    just because someone calls my belief system stupid, irrational, barbaric, or any other number of horrible things does not mean that they are at fault for my actions.
    personal responsibility is still at play here.

    in a civil society, when someone uses their free speech to disagree with me i have my free speech to defend myself and rational people can decide who is right. Civil people do not riot over an insult.
    When lies inspire religous zealots to violence, neither party is blameless; not the liar who excersiced his "free speech", or the intolerant religious bigots who commited the crimes. What that guy did was worse than standing up in a closed theatre and screaming FIRE! What those rioters did was exactly what we can expect from bigoted, religious Muslim fanatics.
    You assume he's lying?
    Although I have not seen the movie, I am convinced that it is pure political propaganda of the worst sort, which does in fact, include the use of outright lies.

  • y2pascoey2pascoe Posts: 1,727 ✭✭
    I just want to go on record in saying that I think everyone involved in this mess is a total @sshole. This Bacile guy...yes, he is protected by the 1st Amendment, but he's a total douche. Did he really think there would be no backlash? Not to mention, I saw the 13 minute trailer, and it looks like a pack of special needs 8th graders made it. It's awful. I think he's a coward too, as I understand it he's apparently in hiding right now.. His movie investors are cowards too. If they had any real convictions, they wouldn't be staying so annonymous.

    That being said, the Libyans involved in that riot are all @ssholes, too. The whole Middle East needs to learn to chill. Take a continent wide anger management course, read some Mitch Albom novels, Ben & Jerry's free cone day....ANYTHING to lighten these guys up. In the words of the great Rob Delaney about 15 minutes ago on Twitter, "No movie, regardless of its message, can be used as justification for murder. Not even if it stars Kevin James."
  • The_KidThe_Kid Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭
    y2pascoe:
    Uh-oh, here it comes. Everyone on the CCOM forums is about to become a 1st Amendment Scholar.
    LOL,, yep and here's a crack at it,, I dont think Bacile is covered under the 1st ammendment on this one as he was bound to know that his actions would cause imminent danger to the security of american & pro semitic peoples. Bacile is a zealot who claims Islam is a radically dangerous religion full of hatefull fanatics.. (apparantly not too far off the mark) Well if that is his opinion then he should know that his actions would incite a riot and cause imminent danger to non muslim people..
    Let me add this, I am in no way justifying the actions of the Lybians,,its atrocious and I hope every one of those who were involved in the killing of innocent civillians are brought to swift justice. I am not pro muslim and know very little about the religion, I do know that many terrorists are muslim.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action
  • JDHJDH Posts: 2,107
    JDH:
    beatnic:
    JDH:
    kuzi16:
    The Kid:
    IMO Sam Bacile is an idiot and should be brought up on charges of inciting a riot and involuntary manslaughter.
    http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/12/13824089-us-ambassador-3-others-killed-in-attacks-on-libya-mission?lite
    Bullshit.

    the only people who should be in hot water over this is the people that actually killed other people.
    poor speech does not give a right to riot and kill. there is no justification for that no matter how stupid the speech was.

    just because someone calls my belief system stupid, irrational, barbaric, or any other number of horrible things does not mean that they are at fault for my actions.
    personal responsibility is still at play here.

    in a civil society, when someone uses their free speech to disagree with me i have my free speech to defend myself and rational people can decide who is right. Civil people do not riot over an insult.
    When lies inspire religous zealots to violence, neither party is blameless; not the liar who excersiced his "free speech", or the intolerant religious bigots who commited the crimes. What that guy did was worse than standing up in a closed theatre and screaming FIRE! What those rioters did was exactly what we can expect from bigoted, religious Muslim fanatics.
    You assume he's lying?
    Although I have not seen the movie, I am convinced that it is pure political propaganda of the worst sort, which does in fact, include the use of outright lies.

    From the Wall St. Journal:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444017504577645681057498266.html

  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭
    y2pascoe:
    I just want to go on record in saying that I think everyone involved in this mess is a total @sshole.
    i agree with that but that is not an excuse for violence.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭
    i do understand what you are saying JDH. it should not have been said. it was in poor taste but that is still no reason to kill.

    edit:
    the grey area here is that a right to free speech does not include the right to insight violence. that is a violation of the rights of the people the violence is perpetrated on.
    so then the question here is did the movie makers insight violence on purpose or was this just an opinion piece?

    and what about "Draw Mohammad Day"?

    there is no right to not be offended
    there is a right to life.
    killing someone violates the right to life
    saying something stupid (not purposely insighting violence) violates no rights.

  • y2pascoey2pascoe Posts: 1,727 ✭✭
    kuzi16:
    y2pascoe:
    I just want to go on record in saying that I think everyone involved in this mess is a total @sshole.
    i agree with that but that is not an excuse for violence.
    I 100% concur.
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    According to this, these attacks were coordinated. They just used the film for propaganda purposes. How's that "Arab Spring" thing workin out for you, Mr. O.?

    http://wtop.com/215/3033617/Officials-Embassy-attack-in-Libya-was-coordinated
  • JDHJDH Posts: 2,107
    beatnic:
    According to this, these attacks were coordinated. They just used the film for propaganda purposes. How's that "Arab Spring" thing workin out for you, Mr. O.?

    http://wtop.com/215/3033617/Officials-Embassy-attack-in-Libya-was-coordinated
    This is not about the President of the US, or the American Government, or the American people - they are not at fault here, and have done nothing wrong regarding this incident.

    This is about a group of political / religious extremists who have deliberately incited another group of political / religious extremists, and the former put the USA squarely in the middle, for purely political reasons, I believe. This kind of behavior would make it tough for ANY sitting President just a few months out from an election.

    If you love your country, I think the best thing to do is to support your country in time like this, not find fault with the President for something he didn't do.
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    JDH:
    beatnic:
    According to this, these attacks were coordinated. They just used the film for propaganda purposes. How's that "Arab Spring" thing workin out for you, Mr. O.?

    http://wtop.com/215/3033617/Officials-Embassy-attack-in-Libya-was-coordinated
    This is not about the President of the US, or the American Government, or the American people - they are not at fault here, and have done nothing wrong regarding this incident.

    This is about a group of political / religious extremists who have deliberately incited another group of political / religious extremists, and the former put the USA squarely in the middle, for purely political reasons, I believe. This kind of behavior would make it tough for ANY sitting President just a few months out from an election.

    If you love your country, I think the best thing to do is to support your country in time like this, not find fault with the President for something he didn't do.
    Excuse me. He just lost 2 fricking Embassies to Islamic Radicals, let in by the host countries, and now is is offering apologies to those countries? Those Embassies are to be protected by the home country and they weren't. And he holds no animosity to those governments for letting them get attacked. And he's giving them our money!. George Bush would have been run out of town by now. This is a disgrace. How is it that you are so accommodating to radical, barbaric Islamics who kill people, but are so quick to ridicule Christians for voicing their beliefs? Yes, I do find fault with my president who, in my opinion, has let this anti-American attitude to fester. And I find fault with him for not seeing to the safety of our diplomats. And I find fault with his lame reaction. This will cause other countries to do the same thing. Is he doing anything now to prevent that? No. Wake up and realize that this is actually what he wants, a diminished USA. He has said as much. Listen to him. Listen to the radicals. Believe them. Or cover your ears. Sorry JDH. You were just the one to write it. Nothing personal. Peace.
  • The_KidThe_Kid Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭
    beatnic:
    JDH:
    beatnic:
    According to this, these attacks were coordinated. They just used the film for propaganda purposes. How's that "Arab Spring" thing workin out for you, Mr. O.?

    http://wtop.com/215/3033617/Officials-Embassy-attack-in-Libya-was-coordinated
    This is not about the President of the US, or the American Government, or the American people - they are not at fault here, and have done nothing wrong regarding this incident.

    This is about a group of political / religious extremists who have deliberately incited another group of political / religious extremists, and the former put the USA squarely in the middle, for purely political reasons, I believe. This kind of behavior would make it tough for ANY sitting President just a few months out from an election.

    If you love your country, I think the best thing to do is to support your country in time like this, not find fault with the President for something he didn't do.
    Excuse me. He just lost 2 fricking Embassies to Islamic Radicals, let in by the host countries, and now is is offering apologies to those countries? Those Embassies are to be protected by the home country and they weren't. And he holds no animosity to those governments for letting them get attacked. And he's giving them our money!. George Bush would have been run out of town by now. This is a disgrace. How is it that you are so accommodating to radical, barbaric Islamics who kill people, but are so quick to ridicule Christians for voicing their beliefs? Yes, I do find fault with my president who, in my opinion, has let this anti-American attitude to fester. And I find fault with him for not seeing to the safety of our diplomats. And I find fault with his lame reaction. This will cause other countries to do the same thing. Is he doing anything now to prevent that? No. Wake up and realize that this is actually what he wants, a diminished USA. He has said as much. Listen to him. Listen to the radicals. Believe them. Or cover your ears. Sorry JDH. You were just the one to write it. Nothing personal. Peace.
    I agree partly with this, No Apologies should be issued,, JDH was correct in that America has been placed in a precarious position by two extremist factions. I am surprised with the recent conflict in Lybia, we didnt have marines on the ground at the embassy. A shame we couldnt of sortied a couple A-10's to provide air/ground support, An attack on a US embassy is an attack on American soil. I dont think blame falls on the President maybe more the state department or Secretary of State Clinton
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    No problem. Make a statement, apologize, go to Vegas
    Excuse me everyone, but isn't an attack on an Embassy an act of war? Don't tell me it was just radical thugs. This was set up by the governments. Wake up.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obamas-going-las-vegas
  • The_KidThe_Kid Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭
    I dont think it was set up by the governments, more of an opportunity that was further exploited by terrorist. I also think this shouldnt be spun by the Republican party to condemn Obama,, and Im a registered republican,, who I might add will not vote for Romney
  • marineatbn03marineatbn03 Spring Hill, FLPosts: 2,670 ✭✭✭
    The Kid:
    beatnic:
    JDH:
    beatnic:
    According to this, these attacks were coordinated. They just used the film for propaganda purposes. How's that "Arab Spring" thing workin out for you, Mr. O.?

    http://wtop.com/215/3033617/Officials-Embassy-attack-in-Libya-was-coordinated
    This is not about the President of the US, or the American Government, or the American people - they are not at fault here, and have done nothing wrong regarding this incident.

    This is about a group of political / religious extremists who have deliberately incited another group of political / religious extremists, and the former put the USA squarely in the middle, for purely political reasons, I believe. This kind of behavior would make it tough for ANY sitting President just a few months out from an election.

    If you love your country, I think the best thing to do is to support your country in time like this, not find fault with the President for something he didn't do.
    Excuse me. He just lost 2 fricking Embassies to Islamic Radicals, let in by the host countries, and now is is offering apologies to those countries? Those Embassies are to be protected by the home country and they weren't. And he holds no animosity to those governments for letting them get attacked. And he's giving them our money!. George Bush would have been run out of town by now. This is a disgrace. How is it that you are so accommodating to radical, barbaric Islamics who kill people, but are so quick to ridicule Christians for voicing their beliefs? Yes, I do find fault with my president who, in my opinion, has let this anti-American attitude to fester. And I find fault with him for not seeing to the safety of our diplomats. And I find fault with his lame reaction. This will cause other countries to do the same thing. Is he doing anything now to prevent that? No. Wake up and realize that this is actually what he wants, a diminished USA. He has said as much. Listen to him. Listen to the radicals. Believe them. Or cover your ears. Sorry JDH. You were just the one to write it. Nothing personal. Peace.
    I agree partly with this, No Apologies should be issued,, JDH was correct in that America has been placed in a precarious position by two extremist factions. I am surprised with the recent conflict in Lybia, we didnt have marines on the ground at the embassy. A shame we couldnt of sortied a couple A-10's to provide air/ground support, An attack on a US embassy is an attack on American soil. I dont think blame falls on the President maybe more the state department or Secretary of State Clinton
    Although I will not take an official stance on this subject, I will lend a little information to it. Every US Embassy is protected by Marines. However, it is always a small contingent designed only to protect the ambassador. The reason there is not a large presence is because we do not want to give the impression to other countries that we are weak. Sorry excuse I know, but that is a big reason behind it. With the Libya ordeal, it occured too fast for any official response from the floating task force always present in the Gulf for things like this. It is sad, good people have been lost.
  • marineatbn03marineatbn03 Spring Hill, FLPosts: 2,670 ✭✭✭
    The Kid:
    I dont think it was set up by the governments, more of an opportunity that was further exploited by terrorist. I also think this shouldnt be spun by the Republican party to condemn Obama,, and Im a registered republican,, who I might add will not vote for Romney
    I am abstaining from a vote this time around.
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    The Kid:
    I dont think it was set up by the governments, more of an opportunity that was further exploited by terrorist. I also think this shouldnt be spun by the Republican party to condemn Obama,, and Im a registered republican,, who I might add will not vote for Romney
    Have participants faced any retribution from their government? I'm still wondering why we haven't heard the stories of Marines engaged in firefights, along with local governments. trying to protect a USA Embassy. Doesn't sound right. I think this was facilitated. Even the stupid movie thing. Its been out for months. The 12 minute clip is on fricken Ebay. Why now?
  • jthanatosjthanatos Posts: 1,570 ✭✭
    marineatbn03:
    The Kid:
    beatnic:
    JDH:
    beatnic:
    According to this, these attacks were coordinated. They just used the film for propaganda purposes. How's that "Arab Spring" thing workin out for you, Mr. O.?

    http://wtop.com/215/3033617/Officials-Embassy-attack-in-Libya-was-coordinated
    This is not about the President of the US, or the American Government, or the American people - they are not at fault here, and have done nothing wrong regarding this incident.

    This is about a group of political / religious extremists who have deliberately incited another group of political / religious extremists, and the former put the USA squarely in the middle, for purely political reasons, I believe. This kind of behavior would make it tough for ANY sitting President just a few months out from an election.

    If you love your country, I think the best thing to do is to support your country in time like this, not find fault with the President for something he didn't do.
    Excuse me. He just lost 2 fricking Embassies to Islamic Radicals, let in by the host countries, and now is is offering apologies to those countries? Those Embassies are to be protected by the home country and they weren't. And he holds no animosity to those governments for letting them get attacked. And he's giving them our money!. George Bush would have been run out of town by now. This is a disgrace. How is it that you are so accommodating to radical, barbaric Islamics who kill people, but are so quick to ridicule Christians for voicing their beliefs? Yes, I do find fault with my president who, in my opinion, has let this anti-American attitude to fester. And I find fault with him for not seeing to the safety of our diplomats. And I find fault with his lame reaction. This will cause other countries to do the same thing. Is he doing anything now to prevent that? No. Wake up and realize that this is actually what he wants, a diminished USA. He has said as much. Listen to him. Listen to the radicals. Believe them. Or cover your ears. Sorry JDH. You were just the one to write it. Nothing personal. Peace.
    I agree partly with this, No Apologies should be issued,, JDH was correct in that America has been placed in a precarious position by two extremist factions. I am surprised with the recent conflict in Lybia, we didnt have marines on the ground at the embassy. A shame we couldnt of sortied a couple A-10's to provide air/ground support, An attack on a US embassy is an attack on American soil. I dont think blame falls on the President maybe more the state department or Secretary of State Clinton
    Although I will not take an official stance on this subject, I will lend a little information to it. Every US Embassy is protected by Marines. However, it is always a small contingent designed only to protect the ambassador. The reason there is not a large presence is because we do not want to give the impression to other countries that we are weak. Sorry excuse I know, but that is a big reason behind it. With the Libya ordeal, it occured too fast for any official response from the floating task force always present in the Gulf for things like this. It is sad, good people have been lost.
    One thing to note out of the article, while there were shots fired, it appears the ambassador died from smoke inhalation, not from being shot or directly attacked. Also, whether you like the president or not, holding him personally responsible for a terrorist attack seems in poor taste. Security, of any sort, is just risk mitigation. You can never fully eliminate risk, and has been shown many times in history, even the best security can fail due the unforseen, or even a forseen but unmitigatable risk. I guess what I am saying, is mourn for the families and find those who carried out the attack. Don't look for scapegoats or politicize this tragedy.
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    marineatbn03:
    The Kid:
    beatnic:
    JDH:
    beatnic:
    According to this, these attacks were coordinated. They just used the film for propaganda purposes. How's that "Arab Spring" thing workin out for you, Mr. O.?

    http://wtop.com/215/3033617/Officials-Embassy-attack-in-Libya-was-coordinated
    This is not about the President of the US, or the American Government, or the American people - they are not at fault here, and have done nothing wrong regarding this incident.

    This is about a group of political / religious extremists who have deliberately incited another group of political / religious extremists, and the former put the USA squarely in the middle, for purely political reasons, I believe. This kind of behavior would make it tough for ANY sitting President just a few months out from an election.

    If you love your country, I think the best thing to do is to support your country in time like this, not find fault with the President for something he didn't do.
    Excuse me. He just lost 2 fricking Embassies to Islamic Radicals, let in by the host countries, and now is is offering apologies to those countries? Those Embassies are to be protected by the home country and they weren't. And he holds no animosity to those governments for letting them get attacked. And he's giving them our money!. George Bush would have been run out of town by now. This is a disgrace. How is it that you are so accommodating to radical, barbaric Islamics who kill people, but are so quick to ridicule Christians for voicing their beliefs? Yes, I do find fault with my president who, in my opinion, has let this anti-American attitude to fester. And I find fault with him for not seeing to the safety of our diplomats. And I find fault with his lame reaction. This will cause other countries to do the same thing. Is he doing anything now to prevent that? No. Wake up and realize that this is actually what he wants, a diminished USA. He has said as much. Listen to him. Listen to the radicals. Believe them. Or cover your ears. Sorry JDH. You were just the one to write it. Nothing personal. Peace.
    I agree partly with this, No Apologies should be issued,, JDH was correct in that America has been placed in a precarious position by two extremist factions. I am surprised with the recent conflict in Lybia, we didnt have marines on the ground at the embassy. A shame we couldnt of sortied a couple A-10's to provide air/ground support, An attack on a US embassy is an attack on American soil. I dont think blame falls on the President maybe more the state department or Secretary of State Clinton
    Although I will not take an official stance on this subject, I will lend a little information to it. Every US Embassy is protected by Marines. However, it is always a small contingent designed only to protect the ambassador. The reason there is not a large presence is because we do not want to give the impression to other countries that we are weak. Sorry excuse I know, but that is a big reason behind it. With the Libya ordeal, it occured too fast for any official response from the floating task force always present in the Gulf for things like this. It is sad, good people have been lost.
    Thanks for your perspective. So, its' not like on TV? I just find this whole this odd.
  • marineatbn03marineatbn03 Spring Hill, FLPosts: 2,670 ✭✭✭
    Most embassies have fewer than a platoon size element. Pretty small in the big scheme of things.
  • The_KidThe_Kid Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭
    jthanatos:
    marineatbn03:
    The Kid:
    beatnic:
    JDH:
    beatnic:
    According to this, these attacks were coordinated. They just used the film for propaganda purposes. How's that "Arab Spring" thing workin out for you, Mr. O.?

    http://wtop.com/215/3033617/Officials-Embassy-attack-in-Libya-was-coordinated
    This is not about the President of the US, or the American Government, or the American people - they are not at fault here, and have done nothing wrong regarding this incident.

    This is about a group of political / religious extremists who have deliberately incited another group of political / religious extremists, and the former put the USA squarely in the middle, for purely political reasons, I believe. This kind of behavior would make it tough for ANY sitting President just a few months out from an election.

    If you love your country, I think the best thing to do is to support your country in time like this, not find fault with the President for something he didn't do.
    Excuse me. He just lost 2 fricking Embassies to Islamic Radicals, let in by the host countries, and now is is offering apologies to those countries? Those Embassies are to be protected by the home country and they weren't. And he holds no animosity to those governments for letting them get attacked. And he's giving them our money!. George Bush would have been run out of town by now. This is a disgrace. How is it that you are so accommodating to radical, barbaric Islamics who kill people, but are so quick to ridicule Christians for voicing their beliefs? Yes, I do find fault with my president who, in my opinion, has let this anti-American attitude to fester. And I find fault with him for not seeing to the safety of our diplomats. And I find fault with his lame reaction. This will cause other countries to do the same thing. Is he doing anything now to prevent that? No. Wake up and realize that this is actually what he wants, a diminished USA. He has said as much. Listen to him. Listen to the radicals. Believe them. Or cover your ears. Sorry JDH. You were just the one to write it. Nothing personal. Peace.
    I agree partly with this, No Apologies should be issued,, JDH was correct in that America has been placed in a precarious position by two extremist factions. I am surprised with the recent conflict in Lybia, we didnt have marines on the ground at the embassy. A shame we couldnt of sortied a couple A-10's to provide air/ground support, An attack on a US embassy is an attack on American soil. I dont think blame falls on the President maybe more the state department or Secretary of State Clinton
    Although I will not take an official stance on this subject, I will lend a little information to it. Every US Embassy is protected by Marines. However, it is always a small contingent designed only to protect the ambassador. The reason there is not a large presence is because we do not want to give the impression to other countries that we are weak. Sorry excuse I know, but that is a big reason behind it. With the Libya ordeal, it occured too fast for any official response from the floating task force always present in the Gulf for things like this. It is sad, good people have been lost.
    One thing to note out of the article, while there were shots fired, it appears the ambassador died from smoke inhalation, not from being shot or directly attacked. Also, whether you like the president or not, holding him personally responsible for a terrorist attack seems in poor taste. Security, of any sort, is just risk mitigation. You can never fully eliminate risk, and has been shown many times in history, even the best security can fail due the unforseen, or even a forseen but unmitigatable risk. I guess what I am saying, is mourn for the families and find those who carried out the attack. Don't look for scapegoats or politicize this tragedy.
    Well said,, It really is human nature to look for blame,, I know Im guilty of it . I really do dislike it when a tragedy becomes politicized by either party.
  • y2pascoey2pascoe Posts: 1,727 ✭✭
    Beat, we love ya, but what don't you blame the President for? Seems like something bad happens in the world and you link him to it like you're playing Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon.
  • RainRain Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭
    marineatbn03:
    Most embassies have fewer than a platoon size element. Pretty small in the big scheme of things.
    Truth. Now a Company of Marines....watch out ;)
  • beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133
    y2pascoe:
    Beat, we love ya, but what don't you blame the President for? Seems like something bad happens in the world and you link him to it like you're playing Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon.
    I don't blame him for the weather. LOL. They did Bush. LMAO. Remember, he was steering Katrina to New Orleans because he didn't like black people. Hey, I know I'm playin the pundent. Somebody's got to. "Thank you sir, may I have another".
  • The_KidThe_Kid Posts: 7,871 ✭✭✭
    beatnic:
    y2pascoe:
    Beat, we love ya, but what don't you blame the President for? Seems like something bad happens in the world and you link him to it like you're playing Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon.
    I don't blame him for the weather. LOL. They did Bush. LMAO. Remember, he was steering Katrina to New Orleans because he didn't like black people. Hey, I know I'm playin the pundent. Somebody's got to. "Thank you sir, may I have another".
    lol, I do seem to remember something about weather manipulation,,,but I also remember the triage being pretty piss poor, but I wasnt there,,
    And yea Why the hell did Obama proceed with his trip to Vegas,, seems like a bad move on his part.
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