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So how many of you think that the United States should attack Iran? I know the pro Israelite mob is pushing for this as is Romney but why? Polls show Americans don't want it and really we can't afford it. I mean both for money and life of our soldiers, hell they have been stretched so thin. Also why do we need to be an Empire? I mean our own borders need major work. I mean at the rate things are going we don't need a atomic bomb to hit our cities, we are already destroying them.
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not only that, but they have yet to have a test of any. im sure we have tons of satellites pointed at those guys. we would know.
i feel we should stay out of it. yeah, Ahmadinejad is a nut job, but he has yet to cross the line. as soon as he does (and what the line actually is), then its a different ball game.
The war is going on for many years. There have been at least 15 attempts to sabotage Iran's nuclear plants. However, the effectiveness is questionable. Israel will never take the risk to attack Iran unless there is a nod from the US. In reality, US learned the lesson from Iraq war without enough evidence. I would say it is easy to say things but very difficult to do in action. The risk is high, Iran indeed has huge influence all over Middle-East. On top of that if Israel had the ability and political(which is more important than military power) support they would have done that long time ago. In fact, they have been trying that many years. The best Israel can do is a shadow war or in other term sabotage. Israel does has some nukes but nuke is like a expensive toy, you can talk about it, play with it but cannot use it in real life. This is not 1945 this is 2012- the world has changed so much. Noone will forgive the nation who will use nuke first. This is the reason why Israel wants our politicians to say something because it is easier to deal with such a touchy issue during the election period.
The other issue is economic. Iran hold huge reserve of oil so does the region. No industrialized nation will take the hit, specially during the on-going economic crunch. Iran understands their geo-political advantage very well. On top of that all the emerging economies still buy oil from Iran through a bilateral currency deal instead of US$ so they can bypass US Financial institution. India, China and Brazil will not take the risk and sacrifice their own economy. US has been loosing a lot for the bilateral currency deal.
I believe, as a nation, we need to prioritize our national interest first. Haven't we paid enough for others interest? My take on this issue is, time has come to find the answer
I think its a very good chance that Isreal has to launch a raid. They will have to. Chamberlain can`t be replayed. It would be a sad day if we did not support them.
If Columbia hated the US, threatened us daily and was creating the ability to deliver nuclear weapons would the US not take preemptive action?
I know we didn`t invade Cuba in the 60s but we went about as far as we could without pure aggression obviously we were not dealing with religious fanatics either
I think that it is a scary situation all the way around. The Iranian population is somewhat secular and westernised in comparison to many countries in the region. Sanctions are taking a toll. I hope that the people decide to build from the demonstrations in 09? And take things further prior to the completion of any form of weapon. Hell I don`t know. Its all f#&&#d up
Maybe we should "attack" some of our own problems.
Hmm, I'm fairly pro-Israel, if Iran attacks them, I say let's wipe out Iran, if it's the other way, not so sure.
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"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/18/romney-wants-to-attack-iran-to-prevent-a-dirty-bomb.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/29/romney-would-back-israeli-strike-against-iran-senior-adviser-says/
He even mentioned it in his acceptance speech. The party wants another war. During the whole debate a few months ago the right was blasting obama for not saying he would but while they were quibbling the Joint Chiefs were against a military attack. Just like Iraq, the GOP have no idea how to run a war.
I'm sorry. Nothing in his speech stated that he wanted to start a war or bomb Iran.
If I were Iran, if I were Irana crazed fanatic, I'd say let's get a little fissile material to Hezbollah, have them carry it to Chicago or some other place, and then if anything goes wrong, or America starts acting up, we'll just say, "Guess what? Unless you stand down, why, we're going to let off a dirty bomb." I mean this is where we havewhere America could be held up and blackmailed by Iran, by the mullahs, by crazy people. So we really don't have any option but to keep Iran from having a nuclear weapon.
"Make no mistake, the ayatollahs in Iran are testing our moral defenses, Romney said. "They want to know who will object and who will look the other way. We will not look away nor will our country ever look away from our passion and commitment to Israel. We recognize Israel's right to defend itself." He also declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel.
Earlier in the day, top foreign policy adviser Dan Senor in a preview of the speech suggested Romney would support Israel making a military strike on Iran to defend itself against a nuclear-capable Tehran. Gov. Romney believes we should employ any and all measures to dissuade the Iranian regime from its nuclear course, and it is his fervent hope that diplomatic and economic measures will do so, Senor said. In the final analysis, of course, no option should be excluded.
I'm amazed you read this that way. I suspect you figured out our magic code words. LMAO. Instead of creating a scenario in your mind as to what you think Romney means, listed to his words. But, I guess that reading the liberal take on things you just assume everybody lies when they speak.
I don't think anyone should put too much stock in Ahmedinijad (sp?) spouting off about destroying Israel, that's just stock talk for Arab / Muslim politicians. Kind of like Republicans saying they're for "freedom". They don't mean your freedom, or mine, just CEO's and Hedge-Fund managers and such. I mean, they had both houses of congress, the presidency, and the majority of the Supreme Court, and all they did was get both cloven hoofs in the trough and pig out.
Or Democrats raising taxes "for the children", while decade after decade the schools fall apart.
It's all baloney.
Bring our troops, our dollars, and our technology home. Only do business with governments that are demonstrably fair with their people. Kick the living **** out of anyone who screws with us, leave them in shambles except for necessary (food, not guns) aid to their peoples. Last but not least, repeal the Facist "Patriot Act" and get back to the Constitutional Democracy we've been trying to become for the last 230 years or so.
Rant over, sorry fellas, sometimes I just can't help it.
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"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain