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Vulchor
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I am no fan of the steroid era...I think its a dark spot on the game. Some guys should never get in because of it, because their entire career was based around it (looking at you McGwire and Sosa). THAT SAID, sorry Baseball Writers of America, you knew this was going on at the time...we all did. "Us fans" didnt have the voice to speak out...you did. You chose not to however because the great ratings and big fly's were padding your pockets. But now that its time to vote these guys in...the answer is no and you all are the voice of reason and fairness....bull$hit
Lets first say that Craig Biggio not getting in is simply stupid. He has the numbers, the ethic, the versatility, and the love of the game and again THE NUMBERS. He doesnt have a big name and they hate to vote in first ballot guys....moronic and unforgiveable. Mike Piazza getting the few votes he did is just as much a travesty. His defense was VERY suspect, but his hitting was amazing and he obviously caught a good enough game...just check the postseason for teams he was on. He re-revolutionzed the position and is a "clean guy" in a "dirty era"---shameful
While we're at it...sorry, Im saying yes to Bonds and Clemens. Both were HOF's before steriods were being used (we assume) and while it doesnt excuse their behavior, the steriods dont give you control of a 95mph fastball or the best hand eye coodination since Tony Gwynn or Ted Williams either. Sosa, McGwire, Shilling---Im ok with you not being in. Your either total steriod era, of VERY good players. VERY GOOD PLAYERS should NOT be in the HOF. However, a lot of this doesnt really matter anymore does it? Its all up to the writers...just like it was to expose the lies when they happened.
Lets first say that Craig Biggio not getting in is simply stupid. He has the numbers, the ethic, the versatility, and the love of the game and again THE NUMBERS. He doesnt have a big name and they hate to vote in first ballot guys....moronic and unforgiveable. Mike Piazza getting the few votes he did is just as much a travesty. His defense was VERY suspect, but his hitting was amazing and he obviously caught a good enough game...just check the postseason for teams he was on. He re-revolutionzed the position and is a "clean guy" in a "dirty era"---shameful
While we're at it...sorry, Im saying yes to Bonds and Clemens. Both were HOF's before steriods were being used (we assume) and while it doesnt excuse their behavior, the steriods dont give you control of a 95mph fastball or the best hand eye coodination since Tony Gwynn or Ted Williams either. Sosa, McGwire, Shilling---Im ok with you not being in. Your either total steriod era, of VERY good players. VERY GOOD PLAYERS should NOT be in the HOF. However, a lot of this doesnt really matter anymore does it? Its all up to the writers...just like it was to expose the lies when they happened.
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I'm fine with Biggio not getting in first ballot; he will get in.
Not sure how I feel about Piazza. I would be tempted to put him in the "Very Good Player" category. Maybe at the top of that list. So, borderline HOFer.
I like Oliva and Quesada (including Regius) a lot. I will smoke anything, though.
IS the HOF a Shrine or a Museum?
If it is a shrine then we need to get their accomplishments out of the HOF. Get their shoes, get their bats, get their balls, get their gloves, get their photos, get everything out of there because steroids tainted that shrine. They need to retroactively go back and vacate records and then vacate wins for their teams. They need to go back and get every player out of there that did something immoral.
If it is a Museum, then put them in. You can't have a museum that is telling the story of major league baseball and just skips over a tumultuous period in its history. It would be like a history museum jsut skipping our civil war and leaving out how this country treated african americans. Or a german history museum leaving out the holocaust and WWII.
These players (including McGwire and Sosa) were some of the greatest players to play the game when they played it. If they never officially failed a steroids test, (even if they admitted to using) you put them in there but make 100% sure that their plaques state what is known about their abuse. (i.e. McGwire admitted it, Sosa's career arc and how he was on the mitchell report, Bonds perjury trial, clemens trial...etc, etc)
Everyone needs to remember that there was no official on the books collectively bargained for banned substance policy with testing. I can't fault them for doing what they did before there was official rules and testing. Anyone who was caught on a drug test I am all for keeping them out.
While they weren't banned from MLB before that, they were also not allowed.
But there was nothing until 2006 that specifically banned PEDs and a host of other drugs.
That being said, Biggio should make it in with in the next few years, but Mattingly and Morris should have made it in this year.
The baseball writers are a bunch of babies who want everything there way.
Votes into the hall should be by those people in the organization or retired people of the organization.
Meaning umpires, players, managers, coaches and trainers.
Most other industries use members of the industry and historians to vote.
As for Pete Rose, I find it ironic that people who are convicted of having and using illegal drugs are still eligible, yet Rose remains ineligible.
It sends a great message to kids. It's ok to take drugs, but don't get caught betting.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
"Long ashes my friends."
Again, it's all about the writers and their skewed views.
Hopefully, the veteran's committee will correct that.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.