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RainRain Posts: 8,958 ✭✭✭
Random legal question.I think I read it here, actually. Is it true that it's not just illegal in the US to have a Cuban cigar, but actually it's illegal for you, a US citizen, to buy one even abroad?

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  • jliujliu Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭✭
    drugs are bad mmmkay?
  • thehilkthehilk Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭
    if that is the case I do not want to know for plausible deniability!
  • SleevePlzSleevePlz Posts: 6,249 ✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, the restrictions of the embargo are pretty ridiculous. We can't technically financially support Cuba in any way, including purchasing a cigar of their's anywhere.
    LLA - Lancero Lovers of America
  • kaspera79kaspera79 Posts: 7,257 ✭✭✭
    SleevePlz:
    Yeah, the restrictions of the embargo are pretty ridiculous. We can't technically financially support Cuba in any way, including purchasing a cigar of their's anywhere.
    .. reminds me of the scene from Step Brothers, " You know what, That's Bullshitt !"
  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here ya go, guys

    The official word from the US Treasury Dept, last updated in 2004. CUBAN CIGAR UPDATE Recent changes to the Cuban Assets Control Regulations, 31 C.F.R. Part 515 (the “Regulations”), administered and enforced by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (“OFAC”), have prompted OFAC to revise the Cuban Cigar Update previously issued on June 19, 1998. This notice provides important information to the public on Cuban-origin tobacco products. Importation of Cuban-Origin Cigars Into the United States There is now an across the board ban on the importation into the United States of Cuban-origin cigars and other Cuban-origin tobacco products, as well as most other products of Cuban origin. This prohibition extends to such products acquired in Cuba, irrespective of whether a traveler is licensed by OFAC to engage in Cuba travelrelated transactions, and to such products acquired in third countries by any U.S. traveler, including purchases at duty free shops. Importation of these Cuban goods is prohibited whether the goods are purchased directly by the importer or given to the importer as a gift. Similarly, the import ban extends to Cuban-origin tobacco products offered for sale over the Internet or through the catalog mail purchases. Prior to August 1, 2004, persons returning to the United States who were licensed under the Regulations to engage in Cuba travel-related transactions were authorized by general license to import up to $100 worth of Cuban merchandise as accompanied baggage. Cuban tobacco and alcohol products were included in that general license. That general license was removed from the Regulations. Transactions Involving Cuban-Origin Goods in Third Countries The question is often asked whether United States citizens or permanent resident aliens of the United States may legally purchase Cuban origin goods, including tobacco and alcohol products, in a third country for personal use outside the United States. The answer is no. The Regulations prohibit persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States from purchasing, transporting, importing, or otherwise dealing in or engaging in any transactions with respect to any merchandise outside the United States if such merchandise (1) is of Cuban origin; or (2) is or 2 has been located in or transported from or through Cuba; or (3) is made or derived in whole or in part of any article which is the growth, produce or manufacture of Cuba. Thus, in the case of cigars, the prohibition extends to cigars manufactured in Cuba and sold in a third country and to cigars manufactured in a third country from tobacco grown in Cuba. Cigars Produced from Cuban Tobacco Seed OFAC does not consider cigars produced from tobacco grown and harvested in a third country from Cuban seeds to constitute a growth or product of Cuba. Therefore, the Regulations do not prevent transactions or dealing in those products by persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, as long as there is no interest of Cuba or a Cuban national, direct or indirect, in the sale of such cigars. Criminal penalties for violation of the Regulations range up to $1,000,000 in fines for corporations, $250,000 for individuals and up to 10 years in prison. Civil penalties of up to $65,000 per violation may be imposed by OFAC. Suspected embargo violations may be reported telephonically to OFAC's Enforcement Division at (202)622-2430 or via facsimile at 202 622-1657.

  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No thanks necessary, BTW. ...... LOL :-/)
  • SasquatchSasquatch Posts: 307 ✭✭✭
    But Sir. I'm not supporting their evil island's communistic economy. I'm burning their crops through a selective slash an burn program.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭
    SleevePlz:
    Yeah, the restrictions of the embargo are pretty ridiculous. We can't technically financially support Cuba in any way, including purchasing a cigar of their's anywhere.
    of course, there is no way to enforce that law. Is the US going to put an agent in every cigar shop overseas and ask for passports upon purchase?

    no

    they know that it happens. they also know they cant do anything about it.
  • webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey, don't knock it, it's working. This embargo is going to bring Fidel to his knees any day now.
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • danielzreyesdanielzreyes Posts: 8,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just don't buy Cohiba. They suck anyways
    "It's plume, bro. Nothing to worry about. Got any Opus?" The suppose to be DZR
  • jliujliu Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭✭
    danielzreyes:
    Just don't buy Cohiba. They suck anyways
    You... you.... Happy Friday!
  • CigaryCigary Posts: 630
    Yep...illegal as anything else but it's a product the Gov't knows people order anyway. Even the POTUS broke the law when he had Salinger buy up to 1200 Petit Upmanns before he signed the executive order making them illegal....pretty hypocritical I'd say even though I liked JFK. My political leanings tell me if this Gov't can support evil regimes all over the world then me buying a cigar pretty much is a no brainer...regardless who signed a piece of paper. It used to be that this country stood for something other than crushing national debt...leaving people stranded under foreclosure...propping up companies that are "too big to fail" even if they are corrupt....sorry, the Gov't doesn't get to act like a bully and then expect me to cater to it's own evil. JMHO
  • Lee.mcglynnLee.mcglynn Posts: 5,960 ✭✭✭✭
    Say nope to dope!
    Money can't buy taste
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