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[Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 239 ✭
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Gents,
If you have not seen this as of yet, please visit this link and do your duty! http://www.cigar.com/legislation/index.asp?scSlide=2
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  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    slamb@cigar.com:

    Gents,
    If you have not seen this as of yet, please visit this link and do your duty! http://www.cigar.com/legislation/index.asp?scSlide=2


    Who is the idiot that started this..?
  • wwhwangwwhwang Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭
    jd50ae:
    slamb@cigar.com:

    Gents,
    If you have not seen this as of yet, please visit this link and do your duty! http://www.cigar.com/legislation/index.asp?scSlide=2


    Who is the idiot that started this..?
    Holy crap. In one fell swoop, US cigar prices will be on par with Canada. And Canada's government is VERY tax-heavy (ex AF Curly head is 2 or 3 dollars MSRP in US. It's 10 in Canada).
  • catfishbluezzcatfishbluezz Posts: 7,000 ✭✭✭
    Done
  • webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Where's the letter that says "I don't care if it's premium or not -- keep you cotton pickin nose outta my own damn business!" That's the letter I want to sign. Otherwise, all you do is compromise your way to totalitarianism one baby step at a time.
    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
  • wwhwangwwhwang Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭
    webmost:
    Where's the letter that says "I don't care if it's premium or not -- keep you cotton pickin nose outta my own damn business!".
    +1. Where's the letter to abolish the law giving the FDA jurisdiction over all tobacco products?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 239 ✭
    @webmost...Write the letter and send it, you can really put whatever you want in the field, so you do not have to use our template; we just have it as a starting guide.
  • MorganGeoMorganGeo Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Done!
  • edelrionycedelrionyc Posts: 361 ✭✭✭
    Done!!!!
  • wwhwangwwhwang Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭
    Done.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭
    slamb@cigar.com:
    @webmost...Write the letter and send it, you can really put whatever you want in the field, so you do not have to use our template; we just have it as a starting guide.
    in addition to the letter provided by ccom i added this:

    I have the right to do as i choose so long as i do not violate the rights of others. consuming cigars violates the rights of nobody, but does, in fact create jobs for millions of people in this country around the world. any artificial price increase via taxation in cigars and cigar related product hurts the lives of those in the industry. many of these families have relied on the cigar industry for generations and the sharp push down in sales due to higher taxation could lead to extreme poverty and starvation.

    this nation was founded on the right for individuals to make decisions for themselves about what is good for them, not for a dominant government to make these choices for them by pricing goods out of reach of the common man.


    though the tyrannical government we have had for quite some time now probably wont listen.
    its disgusting what they are doing to the rights of the individual.
    Kuzi's Forum Links Page
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 239 ✭
    You guys rock! Keep it up and we'll make sure our voices are heard, please pass the link along to family and friends, we need your support!
  • honorknight7honorknight7 Posts: 523 ✭
    Done - me
    Done - wife
  • ChemnitzChemnitz Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭
    I already submitted a letter FDA about this over a month ago, but I really like the wording of the Ccom template (and Kuzi's addition). Can we submit comments more than once?
  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bump to keep this on top.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 239 ✭
    You can send letters until your hands fall off, there is no limit to how many letters you can send the Government. Remember, they work for us.
  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    slamb@cigar.com:
    You can send letters until your hands fall off, there is no limit to how many letters you can send the Government. Remember, they work for us.


    They use to work for us.....that is why I would love to know which one of our elected twits started this. If he/she is local I will be very busy next election.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 239 ✭
    They still do, we just have to remind them. As for who, it was a collaboration of many, mainly the "good" people at the FDA.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭
    slamb@cigar.com:
    You guys rock! Keep it up and we'll make sure our voices are heard, please pass the link along to family and friends, we need your support!
    shared on my facebook and twitter for my cigar blog.
    Kuzi's Forum Links Page
  • Glock1975Glock1975 Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Absolutely Done.
  • dr_frankenstein56dr_frankenstein56 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭
    DONE!

    Aj
  • ShadowInTheMoonShadowInTheMoon Posts: 507 ✭✭
    done as well
    Two people with a common goal can accomplish many things. Two people with a common enemy can accomplish even more.
  • CharlieHeisCharlieHeis Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Done!
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Done!
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  • gripnripgripnrip Posts: 502 ✭✭✭
    Done and emailed to contact list.
  • bert873bert873 Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭✭✭
    kuzi16:
    slamb@cigar.com:
    @webmost...Write the letter and send it, you can really put whatever you want in the field, so you do not have to use our template; we just have it as a starting guide.
    in addition to the letter provided by ccom i added this:

    I have the right to do as i choose so long as i do not violate the rights of others. consuming cigars violates the rights of nobody, but does, in fact create jobs for millions of people in this country around the world. any artificial price increase via taxation in cigars and cigar related product hurts the lives of those in the industry. many of these families have relied on the cigar industry for generations and the sharp push down in sales due to higher taxation could lead to extreme poverty and starvation.

    this nation was founded on the right for individuals to make decisions for themselves about what is good for them, not for a dominant government to make these choices for them by pricing goods out of reach of the common man.


    though the tyrannical government we have had for quite some time now probably wont listen.
    its disgusting what they are doing to the rights of the individual.
    Awesome addition. I will be doing my part as soon as I get home
  • Darktower007Darktower007 Posts: 2,580 ✭✭✭✭
    Done.
  • ShotgunJohnShotgunJohn Posts: 1,545 ✭✭
    Done! The government has become to overreaching and people are getting tired of the nanny-state we are all adults let us make our own choices.
  • 0patience0patience Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok, here is what I plan on sending.
    Let me know what you think.
    I cobbled bits and pieces from everything.

    As an adult who enjoys premium cigars, I support the FDA's proposal that premium cigars be exempt from FDA regulation. I agree with much of the FDA's proposed definition of premium cigars.
    However, the FDA should not include a $10 minimum price requirement. In my opinion, the FDA has no role in setting prices for products it regulates. In addition, a $10 dividing line is arbitrary in defining the high-quality cigars that I enjoy. Price does not dictate whether or not a cigar is in fact premium. Premium cigars come in a wide variety of sizes, shapes, and prices.
    A premium cigar is generally defined as cigars which are made from only broad leaf tobacco and are made exclusively by hand, in which there are many lines of premium cigars that are in the $5 or less range.

    A $10 minimum price could result in many of the premium cigars I enjoy no longer being available, or being sold at an increased price. It would restrict my product choice while not addressing the FDA's public health goals. Therefore, I strongly believe that the FDA should remove the $10 minimum price requirement from the definition of a premium cigar.
    This would constitute a form of regulatory capture and create a negative externality.
    You should also know that 75% of the PREMIUM cigars I smoke are less than $7 each, with most ranging around $5.50-$6.00.

    Consuming cigars violates the rights of nobody, but does, in fact create jobs for millions of people in this country and around the world. Any artificial price increase via taxation in cigars and cigar related product hurts the lives of those in the industry. Many of these families have relied on the cigar industry for generations and the sharp push down in sales due to higher taxation could lead to extreme poverty and starvation.

    This nation was founded on the right for individuals to make decisions for themselves about what is good for them, not for a dominant government to make these choices for them by pricing goods out of reach of the common man.
    I am offended that the government is trying to price things out of reach of the lower and middle class, based solely on their desire to regulate what the common man does.

    Thank you for your time and consideration.
    In Fumo Pax
    Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.

    Wylaff said:
    Atmospheric pressure and crap.
  • BigshizzaBigshizza Posts: 15,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Sean, sent off multiple copies.
  • webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sent them a stern letter. They will ignore it. They will say; "Almost everyone is willing to compromise except for the lunatic fringe, who are easily recognized by their reference to the archaic concept 'liberty'."

    Then they will compromise.
    Then they will move the goalposts.

    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
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