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OUTRAGEOUS: American Flag-Burning Event Set For Brooklyn Ahead Of 4th Of July Holiday

Published June 30, 2015

AP

By Douglas Ernst - The Washington Times

A group of New York activists plan on burning the American flag at Fort Greene Park in Brooklyn, New York, leading into the Fourth of July holiday weekend.

Disarm NYPD’s “Burn the American Flags” event has almost 300 RSVP’s and over 1,300 “likes” for its event, which will take place Wednesday, July 1, at 7:30 p.m.


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    Bob_LukenBob_Luken Posts: 10,316 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for reminding me but, sorry, can't make it. 
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    Jetmech_63Jetmech_63 Posts: 3,451 ✭✭✭
    Sad and reprehensible, but legal and constitutional.  Maybe they can fine them for some open fire ordinance :)
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    0patience0patience Posts: 10,665 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess I miss the meaning in burning the flag.
    I've tried to understand the mentallity of it, but it eludes me.

    In ancient times publicly burning your kingdom's flag was taken to mean that you wanted to abdicate your nation/kingdom or that you renounce your citizenship. 

    So wouldn't we have to assume that those burning the flag no longer want to be citizens of the US?
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    Bob_LukenBob_Luken Posts: 10,316 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is the group's website. They clearly state what their goals are. 

    https://disarmnypd.org/about/


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    Dark_RoastDark_Roast Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭
    It doesn't bother me. And I have not read "their goals" this is just my opinion. As far as I am concerned the politicians have sold this country down the proverbial creek long long time ago. The "Flag" just doesn't mean what it used to when I would salute it every morning at grammar school. We have become a service industry and "can I take your order" establishment instead of a manufacturing icon that made the biggest and the best one could purchase. And I mean "Made In America" not some Asian Island that suppresses their inhabitants to supply our insatiable addiction for "Big Screen TV's."   America used to be known for what they could make not what they could purchase from Foreign entities. I remember when men took a lunch box to work and their sons and daughters did the same when going to school. Whatever product filled the lunch box was ingested and the containers returned to be filled again. There was no need to F'n recycle because there was nothing to recycle. I could go on and on but get bored and tired because I just don't feel one person can not make an F'n difference anymore. America will become an extension of whatever country it is ****'d out to.   
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    Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It doesn't bother me. And I have not read "their goals" this is just my opinion. As far as I am concerned the politicians have sold this country down the proverbial creek long long time ago. The "Flag" just doesn't mean what it used to when I would salute it every morning at grammar school. We have become a service industry and "can I take your order" establishment instead of a manufacturing icon that made the biggest and the best one could purchase. And I mean "Made In America" not some Asian Island that suppresses their inhabitants to supply our insatiable addiction for "Big Screen TV's."   America used to be known for what they could make not what they could purchase from Foreign entities. I remember when men took a lunch box to work and their sons and daughters did the same when going to school. Whatever product filled the lunch box was ingested and the containers returned to be filled again. There was no need to F'n recycle because there was nothing to recycle. I could go on and on but get bored and tired because I just don't feel one person can not make an F'n difference anymore. America will become an extension of whatever country it is ****'d out to.   
    Good points. I am offended by the act, but unlike many today I don't believe "I'm offended" is the ultimate reason to make or change laws.
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    raisindotraisindot Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭
    0patience said:


    So wouldn't we have to assume that those burning the flag no longer want to be citizens of the US?
    Even though I think flag-burning is an absolutely senseless and stupid activity I wouldn't assume that all of those who do it don't wish to be citizens, any more than I assume that those who burn the Confederate flag don't want to be citizens of the South or don't want to honor those who died in the Civil War. People have different reasons for burning the flag. Some do it because they simply hate America. Others do it because they feel that the flag represents certain ideas (such as unquestioning patriotism, militarism, whatever) they don't agree with. 

    But what really bugs me most about this flag burning is those who do it do is an act of momentary catharsis rather than as a commitment to change. They burn flags and then go home to drink or take selfies instead of spending time volunteering for organizations that advocate change, or running for office, or supporting (or trying to influence) politicians who reflect their points of view, or spending and meaningful amount of time and effort in trying to rectify the "wrongs" they see the flag as representing. It's self-absorbed slacker thinking and deserves no attention or respect whatsoever. 


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    armyvetarmyvet Posts: 37
     I had to live with my grandparents for awhile when I was near 12 years old. I had a job to do every day rain or shine. In the morning before 8 am not 8:01 am I had to run a flag up the pole in grand parents back yard. It had to be taken down before dusk.The flag could not touch the ground, it was not to be flown upside down. I was to show respect and some humility. It was to be raised and lowered slowly and an even speed. Though my grandpa had leukemia he would stand on the stairs in foul weather and near the pole with hand on heart as well as grandma everyday.
     Like any kid at 12 I didn't want to always do it. I wanted to play with my friends. This flag nonsense just didn't seem to be worth it.
     Later in life I had to personally carry a casket of a very good friend and man. Fold the flag and present it to his widow say," on behalf of a grateful nation." 
     Now I believe you can burn the flag if you want. It's your right, the supreme Court took a case and decided even, if recollection serves.
    But, I wish you would stop for moment and think of those young impressionable children. The soldiers lives given, of the sacrifices paid so that you may burn the flag, and not do it.
    My grandparents every day after taking down the flag told me" your a good boy for helping." They said something else alot too, " your are lucky to be born in the greatest country on earth"  
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    peter4jcpeter4jc Posts: 15,848 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2015
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZBTyTWOZCM#t=107

    Wish I could figure out how to load the video directly, but here's an old Red Skelton video that's excellent.
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    The3StogiesThe3Stogies Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭✭
    Did you see how this turned out, lol.  First they were going to burn a Confederate flag, because that seem's to be in style now, then changed back to the American flag because they both stand for oppression.  That's what they're all about you know.  This Disarm NYPD, an anti-cop group, seems a bit confused.

    From the NYPost:  "When the handful of protesters arrived at the park, they were met by dozens of counter protesters with water guns.  Then members of the Hallowed Sons MC lit into the flag burners -- at which point New York's finest came to the rescue, sheltering the protesters and escorting them safely out of the park."

    God Bless America
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    YankeeManYankeeMan Posts: 2,654 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wonder if that is the same NYPD they want to disarm?
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    The3StogiesThe3Stogies Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭✭
    Exactly YankeeMan, ended up having their arses saved by those they were protesting against.  I thought the water guns were priceless too, nice touch.  Then the bikers, well that's just ice cream for the humble pie they had to eat.
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