My final post

LiquidChaos66

I’ve been on this forum for 3 years. I’ve enjoyed the conversations and friendships I’ve made here. I will not forget some of you.

I have been accused of dry begging and it’s been nothing but abuse and some people’s personal vendettas to disagree with all my posts. It wears a guy thin and I’ve hit the end of my rope. A community which I have loved and participated in has become one that I don't want to deal with anymore.

Yes. I have accepted people’s generosity that has come of some of my posts. There are plenty of you here who have accepted peoples gifts too, not just me.  But on the flip side I have also made my own purchases with my own hard earned money based off of the input and advice received in those posts as well. I declined and rejected COUNTLESS offers from people to send me stuff. I appreciated the generous thoughts and offers but I didn’t need it and I know there were plenty of other people who would have had their days brightened by receiving a bomb more than I would have.

Some of you may ask why I haven't bombed people as much as I have in the past… Yeah I used to bomb people regularly. I LOVED IT! It was a kick! But in the last 2.5 years have been a financial nightmare in some aspects and an amazing adventure in the same time. The process of selling and buying a new house, taking on my responsibilities as a Graham Clan representative and unexpected home maintenance issues have been bleeding us dry. I don’t have the disposable income to nickel and dime myself to death bombing people like I had been.

I love and appreciate many of you for helping guide me through the world of cigars. I will remember many of you fondly…. But will easily forget more people than I would like to say. I am no longer participating on this site until I feel its worth reinvesting my time here. If you want to get in contact with me, I will respond to messages… but that’s all I will be doing unless someone can give me a damn good reason not to up and leave. Peace out. Its been an adventure.

90+_Irishman

Sorry to hear this but can understand the feeling as I have felt that way before myself as well. Take some time to get some distanced perspective and come back around when things calm down. This too shall pass

Brett

0patience

Well, isn't this nice?
This is what this forum has come to? Running people off the forum?

And by alternate identities too.
Awesome.

At least Eric made the effort without being a d i c k.

Besides, if a person wants to send someone something, no one twisted their arm. No one forces anyone to send anything. 

Really disappointed by this.
Whether or not it is deserving, isn't the point anymore, it's how poorly this makes the forum look.
Hiding behind alternate identity, harassing people and not letting it rest when asked.
Gotta make a person proud.
Way to represent the forum.
Great job.
You have to think really highly of yourself now. 

Oh wait, who you gonna harrass now?
Who is on your list now? 

90+_Irishman

I'm used to taking the ****, I can volunteer to be on the list to make someone feel needed

PS. If the sarcasm couldn't be anymore obvious, this is as clear as it gets.

Brett

miller65rod

All I can say is welcome to the internet you gotta have some thick skin. I don't have a space book or my face account but my wife does and I have seen the hatred on there. Not my cup of tea. Personally I could give a s h i t  what someone thinks or says about me. Many will never say it too someones face, they hide behind a computer screen. Many live for drama because they are miserable. Is it right? hardly but look at society today, not everyone plays nice. 

I don't follow spats that much, however I doubt that many of the outstanding members here would ever ask why u never bombed anyone, or even question it. Too each his own I guess. I doubt you would ever have to explain it or your financial situation either, that should be a private matter. I have never expected anything in return nor has anyone asked for something in return when I have been bombarded or ever questioned it. 

I will say this about the dry begging etc. I could care less, but I understand some members concerns. I have seen many on other forums post 5 times asking for HTF cigars etc. They have one purpose and that is to resell or even worse they have bought in auctions etc. and never made a payment but received the gars.  Gars gone, member gone and once you have been taken you become defensive. Gotta look at all angles I guess. This is an expensive and serious hobby for a lot of people. I feel honored when I get free stuff and I cannot count the times I have gotten it. Most of the time my post are poking fun at topics etc. Never had anyone complain to me. I personally wouldn't let a few, speak for the many here. Not fair to the long standing members IMO.

I think you may be a little emotional etc. at this point due to the circumstances and once someone realizes they are under your skin they keep poking because they may get a reaction. Just my 2 cents. 

I had a simple rule I have always followed. Before I send an email or post something of this nature in reaction to something I always walk away and then come back a few hours later and re-read it. A lot of times I have deleted that message etc. 

You make choices for yourself and if leaving for awhile does the trick then be happy with your decision. Not sure it solves the issue, but that is for you to decide. 

GL with whatever u do. 

BTW I am not a philosopher, physc, Dr., Dear Abby or anything of that nature. I love seegars. 

But I do want my d amn Petite Lancero's lol. 

I didn't use spell check either so someone can critique it for me lol.

Patrickbrick

I am sorry about all the bullshit, I have said it many times on vherf that this is my outlet from the bs and drama of my life. I believe that I am not alone in this feeling, so can we please keep this childish bullying out of our sanctuary.  This man should not be chased away by personas, in the past when a problem arose it was handled in a gentelmans fashion via PM.  There was a post in Eric's thread that is very true, some one might interpret posts one way, where the poster does not mean it to be that way.  The op might not realize that what they did/are doing is unkosher, a simple pm should solve it.  If not well then that's a story for a different day.  I am sorry if I am over stepping here, but this is how I feel.  

silvermouse

I hope the 'disagree'er realizes he is just poisoning the forum as a whole. 

Patrickbrick

Also, to the bully "come after me I'm a man I'm 40".  For those that don't know this refreance here you go.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aoMmbUmKN0E 

CharlieHeis

By far the best thing about turning 40 was being able to say "I'm a man, I'm 40!"

CigarPunk

Hate to see this kinda thing. I really was hoping this was going to be a Keyboard Cowboy Free forum. Liquid I don't know you but I can tell you this I never judge people by others impression of them, I judge by my experience and interactions with them. What I am saying is hang around and do t let the Keyboard Cowboys take you away from something you enjoy. Hope we have a chance to meet and share knowledge of something we both enjoy. 

Echambers

miller65rod said:

I doubt that many of the outstanding members here would ever ask why u never bombed anyone, or even question it. Too each his own I guess. I doubt you would ever have to explain it or your financial situation either, that should be a private matter. I have never expected anything in return nor has anyone asked for something in return when I have been bombarded or ever questioned it. 

Right, because that's not the point as far as I am concern. I neither track nor care who bombs who.  I keep a running list of people that I want to bomb; some of them are people that have bombed me and some are not. It's not a "**** for tat" thing for me (If I wanted that I would trade with someone not bomb them). Basically I bomb who I want when I want.

So what is the point? I sent pm's to a few people that (in my opinion) don't understand the forum in the same way as I do (fully accepting that my 'vision' for the forum may be different from yours).  I think the forum is foremost about having a place to connect with like-minded BOTLs and SOTLs -- to share ideas, support, and friendship. The most generous acts I have seen on this forum had absolutely nothing with cigars - when Jeremy's brother died, for example.

What I take issue with are those that appear to view this place as, foremost, a place to get free cigars and other free stuff.  And while I didn't call you out originally and haven't pm'd you (because I don't think it's that bad, I happen to like you, and you contribute in other ways) I do think, Chris, that some of your posts give me the appearance of "dry begging."  To be fair, though, I've looked at some of my posts and I've done the same thing at times (oops ) 

I do think those that have created secondary accounts for the purpose of harassing or intimidating someone are chicken **** cowards. Grab a set and 'say it to their face' as it were.

Wylaff

This sh't it ridiculous. @LiquidChaos66 is a part of our family here. A little good natured jabbing is in good fun, but constantly going out of your way to belittle someone after numerous requests to stop is just juvenile. 

miller65rod

@Echambers

You are spot on and I think you have right to question others motives. The forum self polices itself from what I have seen and if you feel the need to say something to individuals you have every right and you did so in a private matter. 

I would think the response's, if you got any would tell you a lot about what you have questioned. 

0patience

As far as I'm concerned, as I stated, Eric's approach was proper and respectable. It approached the subject to those concerned in a private message and gave advice.

As was stated by one of the wise men here, it is difficult to read intent into posts. So what may come across one way, may not be the intended way it was posted.

Dark_Roast

"I'm rubber and you're glue! Anything you say bounces off me and sticks to you!" When I was a kid that was heard time and time again from one kid to another. If I were you LC I would treat the individual harassing you with that type of thought process. **** the piece of fecal matter phucking with you. As far as dry begging? What happened to the "Mooch" thread? There was never a question to the persons motive. He or she was wanting to be or looking for a mooch.  Don't leave LC. Nuf said. 

Wylaff

When I was initially hating my ex wife a friend of mine looked at me and said, "She's dog sh't. You can't hate dog sh't, just try not to step in it..."

genareddog

I have not been here for a year yet but can honestly say this is a family for me. I have asked a few people after they have posted what they were smoking how it was. Not for the reason to receive one but so I know opinions and if I should by a box. I know everyone palate is different but if 90% say it is good probably going to be good. I have asked my fair share of stupid noob questions. You guys helped. I even told Peter that I would be his date or daughter, can't remember which and escort him to @cbuck daughters wedding. Ok, maybe I was dry begging then, but that is it. I asked Edward once about flor de yarbor city. He gave a great review so I bought a box. That what we do here. Share, laugh, pray and even cry if we need it. 
 So enough of this and let's smoke and drink one together. 

Amos_Umwhat

My 2 cents:

I've been here longer than many.  I rarely bomb or trade, and made that known from the start.  When I do receive a bomb, I always retaliate sooner or later, and it's fun, and every once in a while I just bomb for, well, no particular reason. 

I often ask about cigars I haven't tried, because I haven't tried them.  Isn't that what we do?  Here?  Doesn't mean I'm asking for a handout, or that you are either @LiquidChaos66 , so, don't let it bug you.

As for being disagreed with, I assure you that many have had serious disagreements with things I've said.  Usually, we've all been able to get along in other aspects.  If not, then, so what? 

Until I found this place, I thought I knew a lot about cigars.  Until I found this place, virtually nobody I knew had an inkling as to what I was talking about when it came to cigars.  Y'all know.  That mystified look they get when you tell them how great some cigar is.  Offer them a puff and they say: "well, it tastes like a cigar, like all cigars." 

Philistines.

(which is really unfair to the philistines, who were much more refined than they get credit for)

@Echambers is right, in my opinion we've had some worthless moochers at times, but that usually rights itself.  The real rip-offs are dealt with openly, once it's established that they are indeed simply using us.  Rarely lasts long.  Those who are unintentionally offensive seem to always respond to the PM's that someone sends  them to gently let them know how they're perceived.

So, let it go.  You've been a productive member here as far as I can tell, and if you do "owe" someone, straighten that out.  You owe for trades or promises, NOT for bombs.  A bomb is sent out with NO expectation of a return, that's what makes it a bomb.

Puff_Dougie

My two cents:

1. Misunderstandings happen.
2. Misunderstandings happen ALOT on internet forums.
3. @LiquidChaos66 is a stand up BOTL and member of this forum.
4. Joking around is cool, but taking shots at people anonymously is not.
5. If you have a problem with a brother, man up and talk it out privately.
6. If you can't follow #5, shut your pie hole.

I hope you reconsider and come back, @LiquidChaos66.

webmost

Illigitimi non carborundum.
Don't turn your back on your friends.

Wylaff

I don't think it was the disagreement that got to him. I think it was the fact that it was constant and anonymous, which would get to anybody eventually.

It's one thing to have an argument, or disagreement, or full on fight. It's a whole other thing when you don't even know who you're fighting or why.

Bob_Luken

It's all about perception. If someone "perceives" someone else to be begging, what they gonna do? Ignore it? Smart. Make a big deal about it? Dumb, childish,.....really really dumb. 

 I, for the most part, have stayed clear of this particular BS drama because I thought whoever was responsible would "get over it". I stopped myself from posting several times because I felt like whatever I had to say would just make it worse. Maybe I was wrong to stay out of it. Someone, or a few someones, have been "figuratively" throwing rocks at @LiquidChaos66 for quite a while now. 

This place "should" be a friendly place. This is a small fraterinty. Drama should be at level ZERO here. If someone pisses you off because you perceive them to be a mooch? Well well, isn't that just too damn bad? Deal with it like a mature human being, not like a spoiled child. 

jarubla

Golden rule, karma, or just being a decent human; however you want to state it, it is the right thing to do.

Its not just espousing an ideal, it is a way of life. 

If you factor in BOTL/BORK to the equation, that means something even more. Being a BOTL/BORK means you do more. 

Just my .02...

-Jay

Rockethead26

webmost said:

Illigitimi non carborundum.
Don't turn your back on your friends.

After googling the saying, I think a more reasonable translation is: "Don't let the bastards wear you down" which is exactly applicable in this thread.

Lee.mcglynn

This is why I can be blunt and "not helpful" too many people coming on here thinking they **** don't stink or have a special something and what to do with it. I don't care I really don't! If you stick around and learn then great! If your a troll go f yourself! I actually give up on a lot of things on here due to the very big wtf factor! I really hope @LiquidChaos66 you don't leave but IMO I do understand everything but really I just don't give a crap much about anyone else but the true forum members

Darktower007

Sorry to hear of this Liquid. Hope you stick around. 

Bob_Luken

Lee.mcglynn said:

This is why I can be blunt and "not helpful" too many people coming on here thinking they **** don't stink or have a special something and what to do with it. I don't care I really don't! If you stick around and learn then great! If your a troll go f yourself! I actually give up on a lot of things on here due to the very big wtf factor! I really hope @LiquidChaos66 you don't leave but IMO I do understand everything but really I just don't give a crap much about anyone else but the true forum members

Lee.mcglynn

Lee.mcglynn said:

This is why I can be blunt and "not helpful" too many people coming on here thinking they **** don't stink or have a special something and what to do with it. I don't care I really don't! If you stick around and learn then great! If your a troll go f yourself! I actually give up on a lot of things on here due to the very big wtf factor! I really hope @LiquidChaos66 you don't leave but IMO I do understand everything but really I just don't give a crap much about anyone else but the true forum members

Let me correct this I care for the people who are wanting to learn and also people that contribute to the forums. But as stated the trolls must go! Although I haven't seen as many as there use to be or I'm just not on enough to notice

peter4jc

You're getting soft, Lee... starting to worry about you.

0patience

We knew what you meant Lee. 

dirtdude

Is there a lesson to be learned from this? I am not that familiar with forums as such but is this the wild west or is there a process to get a handle on those who's only apparent function here is to dog other members?