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dirtdudedirtdude Green ValleyPosts: 5,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
Not sure which side of the wall everybody is on but I am a frequent(weekly) border crosser at a rather small border checkpoint and this week there was a group of families(30 people) waiting to cross, first time in 6 years I have seen this. Have seen the news about caravans and all. Do you think the caravan folks are being persecuted in their homeland or is this a political ploy.
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  • CalvinAndHoboCalvinAndHobo IowaPosts: 1,862 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Without getting into which side of the issue I'm on, caravans are a very common way for immigrants to travel so they don't get robbed or raped on their journey. safety in numbers. 
  • ForMudForMud Aka; Quickdraw, Clayton, DelawarePosts: 1,799 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess the same question was asked of the others.


     http://metrocosm.com/animated-immigration-map/
  • webmostwebmost Dull-AwarePosts: 6,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So often, in human affairs, diametrically opposed propositions are equally true in the same time and place. When this happens, people are inevitably asked to select just one side of the conundrum as an either/or. Case in point:

    dirtdude said:
    Do you think the caravan folks are being persecuted in their homeland or is this a political ploy.


    The answer to which is plainly "both".

    a) People flee schidtholes. Can't blame 'em.
    b) Dems and their media minions see illegals as votes.

    I think it remarkable that 35 years ago Cesar Chavez, an immigrant, maintained the border ought to be closed, because the continual influx of braceros made it impossible for naturalized Americans to demand a living wage in the fields.

    ( Note that nobody called Cesar Notsee or racist. )

    At least when braceros were introduced as a war time measure to supplement a work force which had in great part been exported to fight overseas, that was an exigent excuse. Twenty years later, the program was simply an artifact maintained to reduce the cost of produce. Ending that program did not end the influx. 

    Some problems cannot be solved by choosing sides.

    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • dirtdudedirtdude Green ValleyPosts: 5,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ForMud said:
    I guess the same question was asked of the others.


     http://metrocosm.com/animated-immigration-map/
    Pretty cool map Julian
    A little dirt never hurt
  • peter4jcpeter4jc Milwaukee, WIPosts: 9,616 ✭✭✭✭✭
    dirtdude said:
    ForMud said:
    I guess the same question was asked of the others.


     http://metrocosm.com/animated-immigration-map/
    Pretty cool map Julian
    Looks like they all went to Nebraska.
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  • jd50aejd50ae West Gnawed Pencil, TNPosts: 7,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It has been pretty well established and reported by a number of sources that is was a stunt orchestrated by a number of groups, including mexico.

  • jlmartajlmarta 50 miles from ParadisePosts: 7,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What part of ‘illegal’ do liberals not understand??
  • silvermousesilvermouse Cape CodPosts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Everyone likes to have someone to blame for the world's ills.
  • firehouseguyfirehouseguy KansasPosts: 994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I blame Randy 
    Cigars were made to be smoked, whiskey was made to be drank and women were made to be loved. The only thing I try to age is myself. 
  • dirtdudedirtdude Green ValleyPosts: 5,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It was just an observation. I really am not sure which side of the wall I am om.
    A little dirt never hurt
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat West TNPosts: 6,193 ✭✭✭✭✭
    peter4jc said:
    dirtdude said:
    ForMud said:
    I guess the same question was asked of the others.


     http://metrocosm.com/animated-immigration-map/
    Pretty cool map Julian
    Looks like they all went to Nebraska.
    Well then, we need a wall around Nebraska!  

    Just kidding.

    In all seriousness, it's a complicated problem.  As Webmost pointed out, sometimes there's just not an up or down choice to be made, no matter how simple our tastes may be.  

    I've long held that a wall is a wall on both sides of the wall, keeps us in just as well as it keeps them out, and used the Iron Curtain as an example. 

     eg. "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" 

    On the other hand, the Iron Curtain quite often divided one cultural group of people from, well , itself.  So that aspect needs to be considered as well. 

    We certainly don't need to be allowing just any kind of thug or trash to be crossing into our territory willy-nilly, and it is happening.  That's a fact. 

    We also need to recognize our heritage of offering asylum and opening our doors to the worlds immigrants seeking freedom and opportunity, the huddled masses yearning to be free, the means by which many or most of us arrived here in past generations.  That should not be forgotten, should it?  

    Hard question, no doubt.

    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

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  • firehouseguyfirehouseguy KansasPosts: 994 ✭✭✭✭✭
    dirtdude said:
    It was just an observation. I really am not sure which side of the wall I am om.
    Get on the Vherf tonight Randy we’ll help you figure it out
    Cigars were made to be smoked, whiskey was made to be drank and women were made to be loved. The only thing I try to age is myself. 
  • Usaf06Usaf06 FloridaPosts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Really an easy fix. Make a Texas canal from the gulf to the pacific. Mariners would love to be able to cross there instead of the panama canal. Im being sarcastic just in case you couldnt pick it up. 
    "I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form."
    -- Winston Churchill
  • dirtdudedirtdude Green ValleyPosts: 5,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Usaf06 said:
    Really an easy fix. Make a Texas canal from the gulf to the pacific. Mariners would love to be able to cross there instead of the panama canal. Im being sarcastic just in case you couldnt pick it up. 
    We don't want that damn water in Arizona
    A little dirt never hurt
  • dirtdudedirtdude Green ValleyPosts: 5,133 ✭✭✭✭✭
    dirtdude said:
    It was just an observation. I really am not sure which side of the wall I am om.
    Get on the Vherf tonight Randy we’ll help you figure it out
    Oh yea, I still need to get bourbon for an old fashion
    A little dirt never hurt
  • 0patience0patience Oregon CoastPosts: 9,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah well, that's how my people lost this land. 

    In all seriousness though, if they aren't criminals, war criminals, drug runners or otherwise and families looking for asylum, then I have no problem with it.
    The problem is, how are they properly vetted, with so many trying to come in at one time?
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    Wylaff said:
    Atmospheric pressure and crap.
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