Ivermectin..... the wonder drug

Usaf06

I've read some rumblings here and there on the use of Ivermectin to treat cancer. Just saw this posted and thought I would share. Can't wait for @VegasFrank to respond 😘.

ShawnOL

That's why so many leftists and the rx industry don't want it prescribed. It works too well.

silvermouse

It only works on folk who think it works. Just kidding but I would like to see the research paper to compare it with other studies.

Rdp77

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/all-profiles

Don’t blame it on one party or the other. It’s politicians in general because a large number of them take contributions from them. It’s public record (the legal ones are at least) and this site is one of the easier ones I’ve found to navigate. Some that think it’s only one party might find it to be interesting.

Vision

@Usaf06 can you post a link. I would love to get the full context.

VegasFrank

Link. Peer reviewed?

VegasFrank

We as a society have had to suffer through a gigantic anti-vaxx movement brought on by an irresponsible study done by a fuçking hack who claimed that autism rates were higher in children who were vaccinated against measles and meningitis than in children who did not receive these immunizations.

The study was never peer-reviewed and it proved to be wrong. Correlation does not equal causation. In fact, the main reason that the rates were higher in vaccinated children was because vaccinated children are more likely to get healthcare and therefore a diagnosis-- of autism or any other mental or physical ailment-- and children whose parents choose not to vaccinate are more likely to mistrust or distrust the medical system, especially clinical psychologists who often run the battery of tests that serves as the basis for the diagnosis.

This paper received viral media coverage on both the traditional media outlets such as local news and newspapers, as well as through internet spreading on sites like Facebook and others. The result was a huge movement of people who refused to vaccinate their children, children who don't have a choice, and resulted in hot areas of all of these diseases that we've essentially eradicated through good medicine.

This is a problem, not just because these people suffer these ailments now, but also because the small amount of population who simply cannot get vaccinations due to having serious physical ailments or transplants are now exposed to these deadly diseases in an immunocompromised State condition because some fukking moron read something on Facebook and thought they were the fukking expert.

I simply will Not believe any of this fuçking bullshït until I see a peer-reviewed paper published in a major medical or scholarly journal with results repeated by a different entity.

But if I were you I would definitely invest in the ****. I heard injecting yourself with bleach helps a bunch of ailments too 😂

VegasFrank

@ShawnOL said:
That's why so many leftists and the rx industry don't want it prescribed. It works too well.

I have to say Shawn that a lot of your stuff is bullshït and I let most of it go because you are you, but this is **** stupid.

The billionaires who own big pharma and big healthcare are almost all exclusively Republicans. Not righties, Republicans. The companies themselves contribute to each party equally so they have a spot at the table no matter who wins.

Quit letting Sean hannity lead you down the path to the slaughterhouse bro. You're smarter than that for Christ's sake.

ShawnOL

No I'm not.

VegasFrank

Fair.

VegasFrank

😂

dirtdude

@VegasFrank said:
I heard injecting yourself with bleach helps a bunch of ailments too 😂

Damn Frank, your whole argument takes a hit when you close it out with a lie. President Trump was talking about the UV/Bleaching technque being studied as potentially helpful to combat Covid-19.

Usaf06

https://isom.ca/article/targeting-the-mitochondrial-stem-cell-connection-in-cancer-treatment-a-hybrid-orthomolecular-protocol/

VegasFrank

@dirtdude said:

@VegasFrank said:
I heard injecting yourself with bleach helps a bunch of ailments too 😂

Damn Frank, your whole argument takes a hit when you close it out with a lie. President Trump was talking about the UV/Bleaching technque being studied as potentially helpful to combat Covid-19.

Injecting disinfectant....lol 😂 🤡. If what you say is true, then how do you follow any of his arguments?

https://youtu.be/PAauiLx3AvQ?si=ylbPtQPHP9DkXuKm

VegasFrank

@Usaf06 said:
https://isom.ca/article/targeting-the-mitochondrial-stem-cell-connection-in-cancer-treatment-a-hybrid-orthomolecular-protocol/

I hope it proves to be effective.

Usaf06

@VegasFrank said:

@Usaf06 said:
https://isom.ca/article/targeting-the-mitochondrial-stem-cell-connection-in-cancer-treatment-a-hybrid-orthomolecular-protocol/

I hope it proves to be effective.

If it is half effective of what it was for covid it will be an epic discovery.

Usaf06

@VegasFrank said:
We as a society have had to suffer through a gigantic anti-vaxx movement brought on by an irresponsible study done by a fuçking hack who claimed that autism rates were higher in children who were vaccinated against measles and meningitis than in children who did not receive these immunizations.

The study was never peer-reviewed and it proved to be wrong. Correlation does not equal causation. In fact, the main reason that the rates were higher in vaccinated children was because vaccinated children are more likely to get healthcare and therefore a diagnosis-- of autism or any other mental or physical ailment-- and children whose parents choose not to vaccinate are more likely to mistrust or distrust the medical system, especially clinical psychologists who often run the battery of tests that serves as the basis for the diagnosis.

This paper received viral media coverage on both the traditional media outlets such as local news and newspapers, as well as through internet spreading on sites like Facebook and others. The result was a huge movement of people who refused to vaccinate their children, children who don't have a choice, and resulted in hot areas of all of these diseases that we've essentially eradicated through good medicine.

This is a problem, not just because these people suffer these ailments now, but also because the small amount of population who simply cannot get vaccinations due to having serious physical ailments or transplants are now exposed to these deadly diseases in an immunocompromised State condition because some fukking moron read something on Facebook and thought they were the fukking expert.

I simply will Not believe any of this fuçking bullshït until I see a peer-reviewed paper published in a major medical or scholarly journal with results repeated by a different entity.

But if I were you I would definitely invest in the ****. I heard injecting yourself with bleach helps a bunch of ailments too 😂

Hepatitis vaccines in early infants. That's what I have read as cause of rise in Autism. My children are vaccinated but my wife, who is a nurse manager in labor and delivery, and myself agree now that we wouldn't vaccinate the kids if we did it over again. To each is own.

Usaf06

Don't hijack my thread puto, this isn't a vaccine discussion. Make yout own foil hat discussion somewhere else.

VegasFrank

@Usaf06 said:

@VegasFrank said:
We as a society have had to suffer through a gigantic anti-vaxx movement brought on by an irresponsible study done by a fuçking hack who claimed that autism rates were higher in children who were vaccinated against measles and meningitis than in children who did not receive these immunizations.

The study was never peer-reviewed and it proved to be wrong. Correlation does not equal causation. In fact, the main reason that the rates were higher in vaccinated children was because vaccinated children are more likely to get healthcare and therefore a diagnosis-- of autism or any other mental or physical ailment-- and children whose parents choose not to vaccinate are more likely to mistrust or distrust the medical system, especially clinical psychologists who often run the battery of tests that serves as the basis for the diagnosis.

This paper received viral media coverage on both the traditional media outlets such as local news and newspapers, as well as through internet spreading on sites like Facebook and others. The result was a huge movement of people who refused to vaccinate their children, children who don't have a choice, and resulted in hot areas of all of these diseases that we've essentially eradicated through good medicine.

This is a problem, not just because these people suffer these ailments now, but also because the small amount of population who simply cannot get vaccinations due to having serious physical ailments or transplants are now exposed to these deadly diseases in an immunocompromised State condition because some fukking moron read something on Facebook and thought they were the fukking expert.

I simply will Not believe any of this fuçking bullshït until I see a peer-reviewed paper published in a major medical or scholarly journal with results repeated by a different entity.

But if I were you I would definitely invest in the ****. I heard injecting yourself with bleach helps a bunch of ailments too 😂

Hepatitis vaccines in early infants. That's what I have read as cause of rise in Autism. My children are vaccinated but my wife, who is a nurse manager in labor and delivery, and myself agree now that we wouldn't vaccinate the kids if we did it over again. To each is own.

It's all unsubstantiated bullshìt. The reason the people started noticing children with autism symptoms around 2 years old is because that's when you start to fukking notice it one way or the other.

Your wife is probably an outstanding nurse manager but there's no scientific basis for that belief. Even if you want it to be true.

I want Santa Claus to be true but the truth is that I'm **** Santa Claus and it costs a lot of money.

VegasFrank

@Usaf06 said:
Don't hijack my thread puto, this isn't a vaccine discussion. Make yout own foil hat discussion somewhere else.

First of all, I'll do whatever the fuçk I want to do. Thanks.

Secondly, you called me out in this thread. Open season to do whatever the **** I want to do..

Third, it's on point and on topic. The autism example is an illustration of an unsubstantiated study.

Fourth, I'll do whatever the **** I want to do. Thanks!

VegasFrank

Oh, and love you buddy 😘

Usaf06

My flag for unsportsmanlike conduct. 15 yarder buster

genareddog

I want Santa Claus to be true but the truth is that I'm **** Santa Claus and it costs a lot of money.
That is my wtf!

Stubble

Not sure how much longer I can suffer you puny mortals.

ShawnOL

Ever notice the Amish have virtually no autistics yet they don't vax? Just a thought.

ShawnOL

Of course they also don't eat food with a bunch of chemicals in it.

Vision

@ShawnOL said:
Ever notice the Amish have virtually no autistics yet they don't vax? Just a thought.

So you're saying they get tested on an equal amount as the rest of the country?

Amish life centers on church, family, home and work. Involvement with the health care system is approached with the belief that medicine helps, but God alone heals. The ability to work and provide for family is the motivation for maintaining good health.

Fundamentally, babies are believed to be a gift from God. Going further, Amish believe that their body is the temple of God and that as human beings they should be good stewards of their bodies, which are given as a gift to do God’s work. Good health is also considered a gift from God and deserves to be taken care of. Family relationships are highly valued, thus taking care of the health of loved ones is of importance.

Health conscious behaviors are considered the norm among the Amish. As a population, they use less tobacco, less alcohol, less salt, and more vitamin and mineral supplements. With increased income among the Amish, as in many American sub cultures, there is increasingly more packaged food purchased for home consumption and more meals eaten outside the home than compared to a decade ago.

The Amish religion does not restrict people from seeking modern medical care. For the most part, Amish use local doctors and dentists and will go to specialists and hospitals as determined. Which health care services the Amish deem useful versus which services the English deem as necessities results in the cultural differences and values about modern health care.

The Amish are very cautious health care consumers. They pay for most of their medical procedures out-of-pocket and in cash. All forms of insurance are generally discouraged, including medical health care coverage. Purchasing insurance shows a lack of faith in God who provides.

Given that the Amish are economical in their health care choices, they prefer to self-medicate or remedy an ailment by recommendation from family and friends before seeing health professionals. Some recommendations are considered to be folk medicine and include practices of faith healing, herbal treatments and other non-traditional medical remedies. The use of folk remedies for minor ailments is based on the need of the Amish to remain self-sufficient.

If there does not seem to be improvement as a result of their own remedies, then they will usually turn to health care providers for service. Thus, when an Amish person does show up in the emergency room, the provider often assumes that the person has already experienced much pain and may be advanced in their medical condition. The expression of physical symptoms may be minimized, since this might be interpreted as complaining against God’s will.

Preventative health care is not as widely accepted as in the U.S. population norm. Again, the cultural norm of faith in God as well as consciousness of ability to pay out-of-pocket for medical procedures without burdening the family or the larger Amish community is considered prior to accepting professional medical support. In America today, those with less ability to pay for health care are offered options to attend free clinics or receive government support. The Amish would deem offers of this kind to be inappropriate and would refuse to accept them.

The larger Amish community provides resources for health care needs beyond the ability of the family to provide. Thus, the collection of resources to support hospital stays, organ transplants, treatment of disease or extended illnesses are a communal decision. With the emphasis on communal care rather than individual care, the decision is often made to forgo a procedure that is deemed too costly – and may burden the community too much. It is common for Amish to reject extraordinary measures to save a life, as such measures may attempt to interfere with God’s will.

“Bear one another’s burdens” (Galations 6:2) represents the Amish belief of taking care of the sick, elderly and feeble in their community. This responsibility is highly regarded as Amish church members often make bank payments and perform farm chores for family members that are sick or without income. Amish and English often work alongside each other when a neighbor falls ill or needs to be away from their farm to care for a failing family member.

Edit : From https://www.ohiosamishcountry.com/articles/the-health-of-the-amish#:~:text=The Amish religion does not restrict people from seeking modern medical care.

Rdp77

Autism isn’t a new thing in human history. The diagnosis spectrum is. Many scholars believe that people we see as “geniuses” throughout history were autistic. Names that have come up are Mozart, Galileo, and Newton to name a few.

Usaf06

@Vision said:

@ShawnOL said:
Ever notice the Amish have virtually no autistics yet they don't vax? Just a thought.

So you're saying they get tested on an equal amount as the rest of the country?

Amish life centers on church, family, home and work. Involvement with the health care system is approached with the belief that medicine helps, but God alone heals. The ability to work and provide for family is the motivation for maintaining good health.

Fundamentally, babies are believed to be a gift from God. Going further, Amish believe that their body is the temple of God and that as human beings they should be good stewards of their bodies, which are given as a gift to do God’s work. Good health is also considered a gift from God and deserves to be taken care of. Family relationships are highly valued, thus taking care of the health of loved ones is of importance.

Health conscious behaviors are considered the norm among the Amish. As a population, they use less tobacco, less alcohol, less salt, and more vitamin and mineral supplements. With increased income among the Amish, as in many American sub cultures, there is increasingly more packaged food purchased for home consumption and more meals eaten outside the home than compared to a decade ago.

The Amish religion does not restrict people from seeking modern medical care. For the most part, Amish use local doctors and dentists and will go to specialists and hospitals as determined. Which health care services the Amish deem useful versus which services the English deem as necessities results in the cultural differences and values about modern health care.

The Amish are very cautious health care consumers. They pay for most of their medical procedures out-of-pocket and in cash. All forms of insurance are generally discouraged, including medical health care coverage. Purchasing insurance shows a lack of faith in God who provides.

Given that the Amish are economical in their health care choices, they prefer to self-medicate or remedy an ailment by recommendation from family and friends before seeing health professionals. Some recommendations are considered to be folk medicine and include practices of faith healing, herbal treatments and other non-traditional medical remedies. The use of folk remedies for minor ailments is based on the need of the Amish to remain self-sufficient.

If there does not seem to be improvement as a result of their own remedies, then they will usually turn to health care providers for service. Thus, when an Amish person does show up in the emergency room, the provider often assumes that the person has already experienced much pain and may be advanced in their medical condition. The expression of physical symptoms may be minimized, since this might be interpreted as complaining against God’s will.

Preventative health care is not as widely accepted as in the U.S. population norm. Again, the cultural norm of faith in God as well as consciousness of ability to pay out-of-pocket for medical procedures without burdening the family or the larger Amish community is considered prior to accepting professional medical support. In America today, those with less ability to pay for health care are offered options to attend free clinics or receive government support. The Amish would deem offers of this kind to be inappropriate and would refuse to accept them.

The larger Amish community provides resources for health care needs beyond the ability of the family to provide. Thus, the collection of resources to support hospital stays, organ transplants, treatment of disease or extended illnesses are a communal decision. With the emphasis on communal care rather than individual care, the decision is often made to forgo a procedure that is deemed too costly – and may burden the community too much. It is common for Amish to reject extraordinary measures to save a life, as such measures may attempt to interfere with God’s will.

“Bear one another’s burdens” (Galations 6:2) represents the Amish belief of taking care of the sick, elderly and feeble in their community. This responsibility is highly regarded as Amish church members often make bank payments and perform farm chores for family members that are sick or without income. Amish and English often work alongside each other when a neighbor falls ill or needs to be away from their farm to care for a failing family member.

Edit : From https://www.ohiosamishcountry.com/articles/the-health-of-the-amish#:~:text=The Amish religion does not restrict people from seeking modern medical care.

Seems like more Americans should be Amish

Wylaff

I read that whole thing becoming increasingly more impressed with your knowledge of the Amish until I got to the source at the bottom.

peter4jc

@Wylaff said:
I read that whole thing becoming increasingly more impressed with your knowledge of the Amish until I got to the source at the bottom.

It's probably a result of being on vHerf regularly with Vision... two sentences in and I knew it was a copy/paste. :-)