Border debate

Without getting into which side of the issue I'm on, caravans are a very common way for immigrants to travel so they don't get robbed or raped on their journey. safety in numbers. 

So often, in human affairs, diametrically opposed propositions are equally true in the same time and place. When this happens, people are inevitably asked to select just one side of the conundrum as an either/or. Case in point:

dirtdude said:

Do you think the caravan folks are being persecuted in their homeland or is this a political ploy.

The answer to which is plainly "both".

a) People flee schidtholes. Can't blame 'em.
b) Dems and their media minions see illegals as votes.

I think it remarkable that 35 years ago Cesar Chavez, an immigrant, maintained the border ought to be closed, because the continual influx of braceros made it impossible for naturalized Americans to demand a living wage in the fields.

( Note that nobody called Cesar Notsee or racist. )

At least when braceros were introduced as a war time measure to supplement a work force which had in great part been exported to fight overseas, that was an exigent excuse. Twenty years later, the program was simply an artifact maintained to reduce the cost of produce. Ending that program did not end the influx. 

Some problems cannot be solved by choosing sides.

What part of ‘illegal’ do liberals not understand??

I blame Randy 

peter4jc said:

dirtdude said:

ForMud said:

I guess the same question was asked of the others.


 http://metrocosm.com/animated-immigration-map/

Pretty cool map Julian

Looks like they all went to Nebraska.

Well then, we need a wall around Nebraska!  

Just kidding.

In all seriousness, it's a complicated problem.  As Webmost pointed out, sometimes there's just not an up or down choice to be made, no matter how simple our tastes may be.  

I've long held that a wall is a wall on both sides of the wall, keeps us in just as well as it keeps them out, and used the Iron Curtain as an example. 

 eg. "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" 

On the other hand, the Iron Curtain quite often divided one cultural group of people from, well , itself.  So that aspect needs to be considered as well. 

We certainly don't need to be allowing just any kind of thug or trash to be crossing into our territory willy-nilly, and it is happening.  That's a fact. 

We also need to recognize our heritage of offering asylum and opening our doors to the worlds immigrants seeking freedom and opportunity, the huddled masses yearning to be free, the means by which many or most of us arrived here in past generations.  That should not be forgotten, should it?  

Hard question, no doubt.

Really an easy fix. Make a Texas canal from the gulf to the pacific. Mariners would love to be able to cross there instead of the panama canal. Im being sarcastic just in case you couldnt pick it up.