The sentence in bold, below has been extracted by Musk haters without context to the larger discussion. ...
Musk: There's a guy who posts on X who's great, Gad Saad?
Rogan: Yeah, he's a friend of mine. He's been on the podcast a bunch of times.
Musk: Yeah, he's awesome, and he talks about, you know, basically suicidal empathy. Like, there's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. So, we've got civilizational suicidal empathy going on. And it's like, I believe in empathy, like, I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for, for civilization as a whole, and not commit to a civilizational suicide.
Rogan: Also don't let someone use your empathy against you so they can completely control your state and then do an insanely bad job of managing it and never get removed.
Musk: The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit. They're exploiting a bug in Western civilization, which is the empathy response. So, I think, you know, empathy is good, but you need to think it through and not just be programmed like a robot.
Rogan: Right, understand when empathy has been actually used as a tool.
Musk: Yes, like, it's weaponized empathy is the issue
If you want evidence that the world is a terrible place, simply watch the news or surf the web. If you want evidence of how incredible this planet is, go out into nature. Unlike social media and the news, nature has no incentive to keep you agitated, angry, or anxious.
“One of the great challenges and one of the great blessings is that most people are stupid. Terribly stupid. Stupidity makes people fearful when it doesn’t make them mean. So you’ve got the stupidity to deal with, and you have to deal with this to do good work. However, being stupid and afraid, they will tend to believe what you tell them if you’re smart, and I’m smart. So you sell yourself and projects and other people all the time to remarkably stupid and powerful people. It’s exhausting; it’s frustrating; it is part of the profession. I don’t care how good you are or how tenacious you are—if you can’t deal successfully with stupid people, life—in or out of the arts—is going to be terribly difficult.”—Bette Davis/Interview with James Grissom/1984/
“I must say a word about fear. It is life's only true opponent. Only fear can defeat life. It is a clever, treacherous adversary, how well I know. It has no decency, respects no law or convention, shows no mercy. It goes for your weakest spot, which it finds with unnerving ease. It begins in your mind, always ... so you must fight hard to express it. You must fight hard to shine the light of words upon it. Because if you don't, if your fear becomes a wordless darkness that you avoid, perhaps even manage to forget, you open yourself to further attacks of fear because you never truly fought the opponent who defeated you.”
― Yann Martel, Life of Pi
"In an age of moral exhibitionism, truth itself has become an act of courage."
Thomas Sowell
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"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
There is a lot to be said about libertarian conservatism and how it is different from the MAGA-conservative values embraced by the present Republican party.
"You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic."
Robert Heinlein
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"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
From an Aristotelian stance our sensory perceptions are inescapably tied to our concept of reality, but what about transcendent reality. "Reality" is, after all, an idea, not a fact. Seeing is believing, etc.
The quote is from Ulysses
p.s.-- sorry Peter, take two aspirins and call me in the morning, lol
@silvermouse said:
From an Aristotelian stance our sensory perceptions are inescapably tied to our concept of reality, but what about transcendent reality. "Reality" is, after all, an idea, not a fact. Seeing is believing, etc.
The quote is from Ulysses
p.s.-- sorry Peter, take two aspirins and call me in the morning, lol
I was thinking about Plato and his writing on the "Allegory of the Cave".
@silvermouse said:
From an Aristotelian stance our sensory perceptions are inescapably tied to our concept of reality, but what about transcendent reality. "Reality" is, after all, an idea, not a fact. Seeing is believing, etc.
The quote is from Ulysses
p.s.-- sorry Peter, take two aspirins and call me in the morning, lol
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A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
The sentence in bold, below has been extracted by Musk haters without context to the larger discussion. ...
Musk: There's a guy who posts on X who's great, Gad Saad?
Rogan: Yeah, he's a friend of mine. He's been on the podcast a bunch of times.
Musk: Yeah, he's awesome, and he talks about, you know, basically suicidal empathy. Like, there's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. So, we've got civilizational suicidal empathy going on. And it's like, I believe in empathy, like, I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for, for civilization as a whole, and not commit to a civilizational suicide.
Rogan: Also don't let someone use your empathy against you so they can completely control your state and then do an insanely bad job of managing it and never get removed.
Musk: The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit. They're exploiting a bug in Western civilization, which is the empathy response. So, I think, you know, empathy is good, but you need to think it through and not just be programmed like a robot.
Rogan: Right, understand when empathy has been actually used as a tool.
Musk: Yes, like, it's weaponized empathy is the issue
Pretty sure that's a standard practice.
Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.
If you want evidence that the world is a terrible place, simply watch the news or surf the web. If you want evidence of how incredible this planet is, go out into nature. Unlike social media and the news, nature has no incentive to keep you agitated, angry, or anxious.
I'm skeered to click Like, Agree, Awesome, or Insightful on this one.
“One of the great challenges and one of the great blessings is that most people are stupid. Terribly stupid. Stupidity makes people fearful when it doesn’t make them mean. So you’ve got the stupidity to deal with, and you have to deal with this to do good work. However, being stupid and afraid, they will tend to believe what you tell them if you’re smart, and I’m smart. So you sell yourself and projects and other people all the time to remarkably stupid and powerful people. It’s exhausting; it’s frustrating; it is part of the profession. I don’t care how good you are or how tenacious you are—if you can’t deal successfully with stupid people, life—in or out of the arts—is going to be terribly difficult.”—Bette Davis/Interview with James Grissom/1984/
"Death walks faster than the wind and never returns what he has taken."
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
to all our politicians:
“I must say a word about fear. It is life's only true opponent. Only fear can defeat life. It is a clever, treacherous adversary, how well I know. It has no decency, respects no law or convention, shows no mercy. It goes for your weakest spot, which it finds with unnerving ease. It begins in your mind, always ... so you must fight hard to express it. You must fight hard to shine the light of words upon it. Because if you don't, if your fear becomes a wordless darkness that you avoid, perhaps even manage to forget, you open yourself to further attacks of fear because you never truly fought the opponent who defeated you.”
― Yann Martel, Life of Pi
"The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly, and lie about your age."
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
From 1440
"The only person with whom you have to compare yourself is you in the past."
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
"Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey and more money."
Tom T. Hall
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
"Reality continues to ruin my life"
--Calvin
He who hesitates is lost
I don't have problems, just more work to do.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
"It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I'm wearing milk bone underwear."
Norm, on Cheers.
RIP Norm (George Wendt) who passed on the 20th.
"In an age of moral exhibitionism, truth itself has become an act of courage."
Thomas Sowell
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
There is a lot to be said about libertarian conservatism and how it is different from the MAGA-conservative values embraced by the present Republican party.
"You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic."
Robert Heinlein
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Those who know when they have enough are rich.
[Tao Te Ching chapter 33]
There is no greater misfortune than greed.
[Tao Te Ching chapter 46]
That's not meant to hurt my head, I'm sure, and yet, for some reason, it does.
From an Aristotelian stance our sensory perceptions are inescapably tied to our concept of reality, but what about transcendent reality. "Reality" is, after all, an idea, not a fact. Seeing is believing, etc.
The quote is from Ulysses
p.s.-- sorry Peter, take two aspirins and call me in the morning, lol
I was thinking about Plato and his writing on the "Allegory of the Cave".
Mushrooms transcend reality. Just saying. 🍄😵💫🥴
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.