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  • VisionVision Posts: 9,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @peter4jc said:

    @ShawnOL said:
    If it supported my argument, it wouldn't be lying.

    C'mon, Shawn, just let Pete argue for Biden's Democrats and don't get him stirred up.

    Not arguing for anyone. Just pointing out hypocrisy and bullshit.... but I like how you trolled a troll.... doesn't work on me tho.

  • OutdoorsSmoke_21191OutdoorsSmoke_21191 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭✭✭








    A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.

  • silvermousesilvermouse Posts: 22,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bombs away.

  • TRayBTRayB Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @silvermouse said:
    Bombs away.

    I am not thrilled with the decision, but hopefully the mission has been accomplished and Iran's nuclear program is set back decades.

  • OutdoorsSmoke_21191OutdoorsSmoke_21191 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it is at all possible that partisan 💩on here could be now switched to support of troops…especially the family members of esteemed forum friends here. Be fvucking respectful.

    A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.

  • silvermousesilvermouse Posts: 22,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Commander in Chief of the military is extremely partisan.

  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 9,481 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @silvermouse said:
    The Commander in Chief of the military is extremely partisan.

    I'm hoping he didn't just stick his thing in a hornet nest. Well, our thing. The mad mullahs have never stopped trying to attain nuclear parity, and they've proven themselves capable of nearly anything. They're not to be trusted, period.

    How many times have we heard questions like "what if Neville Chamberlain had acted...?" thus preventing the ascendancy of Uncle Adolf?

    It's scary as hell, that's for sure.

    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • ShawnOLShawnOL Posts: 11,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can you name a president in the past 200 years who didn't belong to either party? All partisan.

    Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.

  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 9,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 22

    Here's the thing that really worries me. Historically, if someone, let's say Israel, hits one of Iran or their allies military related targets. The response is usually to bomb an Israeli hospital or school or market or concert or some such.

    Since tiht-for-tat is ingrained in their culture, most human culture to be fair, I suppose we can expect an attack on, what? The national Mall? The Mayo Clinic? Tennessee School for the Blind? Who knows?

    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • VegasFrankVegasFrank Posts: 19,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Amos_Umwhat said:

    @silvermouse said:
    The Commander in Chief of the military is extremely partisan.

    I'm hoping he didn't just stick his thing in a hornet nest. Well, our thing. The mad mullahs have never stopped trying to attain nuclear parity, and they've proven themselves capable of nearly anything. They're not to be trusted, period.

    How many times have we heard questions like "what if Neville Chamberlain had acted...?" thus preventing the ascendancy of Uncle Adolf?

    It's scary as hell, that's for sure.

    Doesn't look like it. They fired a few missiles at a deserted base and gave the US warning that they were going to do it. They only launched these so they could talk about it on their state-run news outlets and so that people in the populated areas could watch the missiles being launched.

    Total sham game and a way for them to save face. They used their worthless short-range missiles to do it so they didn't even waste any military ammo. Total con job. Disaster averted.

    @ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones. 
  • VegasFrankVegasFrank Posts: 19,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Amos_Umwhat said:
    Here's the thing that really worries me. Historically, if someone, let's say Israel, hits one of Iran or their allies military related targets. The response is usually to bomb an Israeli hospital or school or market or concert or some such.

    Since tiht-for-tat is ingrained in their culture, most human culture to be fair, I suppose we can expect an attack on, what? The national Mall? The Mayo Clinic? Tennessee School for the Blind? Who knows?

    If they use guns to do it, they'll just blend right in with the rest of the mass shootings and nobody will know.

    @ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones. 
  • silvermousesilvermouse Posts: 22,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Moral breakdown risks nuclear war

    An absence of competence and morality in global leadership is heightening the risk of nuclear catastrophe, two prominent analysts argued. Recent conflicts embroiling nuclear-armed nations have demonstrated how this period of geopolitical volatility is exacerbated by leaders’ lack of “cognitive, spiritual, and emotional capabilities” necessary to manage such high-stakes weapons, The Atlantic’s editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg wrote. “Humans will need luck to survive this period,” he warned, as world powers play “nuclear roulette.” Indian academic Pratap Bhanu Mehta similarly chastised leaders for their “casualness about risk, a yearning for an easy Machismo, [and] an aesthetic videogaming of real war”: The global nuclear order is destabilizing and “there are no adults left in the room.”

  • Bob_LukenBob_Luken Posts: 11,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What are your thoughts on the effects of the US strike in Iran? Partisan bias is obviously at play as both sides are at odds over the truth. I hope they ruined the enrichment program and blew up the uranium too before they could move it. What have y’all learned?

  • ShawnOLShawnOL Posts: 11,781 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope they have completely destroyed their nuclear capabilities.

    Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.

  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 9,481 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope that the Iranian people will see it as a sign to abandon the Ayatollahs and Mullahs and seek a less destructive way of life. They could learn a lot from Gandhi, if the masses won't follow, you're out of your leadership position.

    Regarding the effect on their nuclear capabilities, well, good effort, but we have no clear information on what really happened on the ground and underground, and probably won't for a long time to come.

    Wishful thinking? I agree with Shawn and Bob. However, Iran has long had a schizophrenic cultural identity. Modern tastes, archaic ignorance in leadership. But hey! We're catching up!

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    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • VegasFrankVegasFrank Posts: 19,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bob_Luken said:
    What are your thoughts on the effects of the US strike in Iran? Partisan bias is obviously at play as both sides are at odds over the truth. I hope they ruined the enrichment program and blew up the uranium too before they could move it. What have y’all learned?

    No way to ever know. All of that shyte was 300 feet underground. Besides, we live in a world where there is no such thing as the truth.

    @ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones. 
  • silvermousesilvermouse Posts: 22,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not surprising:

    The Trump administration is becoming even more secretive
    Staff are being instructed to avoid leaving a paper trial at all costs

  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 9,481 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 30

    Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really out to get you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZzR30f4I2Q

    WARNING:  The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme.  Proceed at your own risk.  

    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • Bob_LukenBob_Luken Posts: 11,469 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 30

    @silvermouse said:
    not surprising:

    The Trump administration is becoming even more secretive
    Staff are being instructed to avoid leaving a paper trial at all costs

    Yes, not surprising at all. When you have a lot of people lurking around in these federal agencies who are vehemently opposed to the administration. It seems necessary to be protective. So what if some long-term federal employees cannot be trusted due to their biases are crying "Boo Hoo! They don't trust us anymore!" Good!

    I found that Washington Post article.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/06/29/first-rule-trumps-washington-dont-write-anything-down/
    Hannah Natanson 27-28 yr old Washinton DC Prep School and Harvard educated journalist tried to present the secrecy as unprecedented and so so bad, but the article also allowed room for reasoning that the secrecy is necessary.

    Across President Donald Trump’s administration, a creeping culture of secrecy is overtaking personnel and budget decisions, casual social interactions, and everything in between, according to interviews with more than 40 employees across two dozen agencies, most of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid reprisals. No one wants to put anything in writing anymore, federal workers said: Meetings are conducted in-person behind closed doors, even on anodyne topics. Workers prefer to talk outdoors, as long as the weather cooperates. And communication among colleagues — whether work-related or personal — has increasingly shifted to the encrypted messaging app Signal, with messages set to auto-delete.
    Me: Good!
    It’s not just career staffers who are clamming up, fearful they will be tagged as rebellious or resistant to Trump’s policies and dismissed amid the administration’s push to trim the workforce, fulfilling the president’s promise to eradicate waste, fraud and abuse. Trump’s own political appointees are also resistant to writing things down, worried that their agency’s deliberations will appear in news coverage and inspire a hunt for leakers, federal workers said.
    Me: Good!
    “I’ve never seen this much secrecy and lack of transparency from any leadership, including in the military,” said a nearly 10-year veteran of the General Services Administration. “We don’t know anything until it happens.”
    Me: GOOD!

    Also, between the lines of the article Hanna asks for federal employee snitches to come forward using that Signal messaging app that she wanted you to think was nefariously clandestine for Trump staffers to be using.

    Help us report on the Trump administration

    The Washington Post wants to hear from people with knowledge of how the Trump administration is reshaping government, including the activities of the U.S. DOGE Service. You can contact our reporters by email or Signal encrypted message.
    Hannah Natanson: hannah.natanson@washpost.com or (202) 580-5477 on Signal.
    Read more about how to use Signal and other ways to securely contact The Post.

  • VisionVision Posts: 9,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I feel like in this day and age when you can't work with the opposition, it's just easier to tear them down. That goes for both sides.

  • OutdoorsSmoke_21191OutdoorsSmoke_21191 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Vision said:
    I feel like in this day and age when you can't work with the opposition, it's just easier to tear them down. That goes for both sides.

    Or pick and choose who to troll the 💩 out of….😘

    A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.

  • VisionVision Posts: 9,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OutdoorsSmoke_21191 said:

    @Vision said:
    I feel like in this day and age when you can't work with the opposition, it's just easier to tear them down. That goes for both sides.

    Or pick and choose who to troll the 💩 out of….😘

    Not sure how any of this works ......

  • VegasFrankVegasFrank Posts: 19,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bob_Luken said:

    @silvermouse said:
    not surprising:

    The Trump administration is becoming even more secretive
    Staff are being instructed to avoid leaving a paper trial at all costs

    Yes, not surprising at all. When you have a lot of people lurking around in these federal agencies who are vehemently opposed to the administration. It seems necessary to be protective. So what if some long-term federal employees cannot be trusted due to their biases are crying "Boo Hoo! They don't trust us anymore!" Good!

    I found that Washington Post article.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/06/29/first-rule-trumps-washington-dont-write-anything-down/
    Hannah Natanson 27-28 yr old Washinton DC Prep School and Harvard educated journalist tried to present the secrecy as unprecedented and so so bad, but the article also allowed room for reasoning that the secrecy is necessary.

    Across President Donald Trump’s administration, a creeping culture of secrecy is overtaking personnel and budget decisions, casual social interactions, and everything in between, according to interviews with more than 40 employees across two dozen agencies, most of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid reprisals. No one wants to put anything in writing anymore, federal workers said: Meetings are conducted in-person behind closed doors, even on anodyne topics. Workers prefer to talk outdoors, as long as the weather cooperates. And communication among colleagues — whether work-related or personal — has increasingly shifted to the encrypted messaging app Signal, with messages set to auto-delete.
    Me: Good!
    It’s not just career staffers who are clamming up, fearful they will be tagged as rebellious or resistant to Trump’s policies and dismissed amid the administration’s push to trim the workforce, fulfilling the president’s promise to eradicate waste, fraud and abuse. Trump’s own political appointees are also resistant to writing things down, worried that their agency’s deliberations will appear in news coverage and inspire a hunt for leakers, federal workers said.
    Me: Good!
    “I’ve never seen this much secrecy and lack of transparency from any leadership, including in the military,” said a nearly 10-year veteran of the General Services Administration. “We don’t know anything until it happens.”
    Me: GOOD!

    Also, between the lines of the article Hanna asks for federal employee snitches to come forward using that Signal messaging app that she wanted you to think was nefariously clandestine for Trump staffers to be using.

    Help us report on the Trump administration

    The Washington Post wants to hear from people with knowledge of how the Trump administration is reshaping government, including the activities of the U.S. DOGE Service. You can contact our reporters by email or Signal encrypted message.
    Hannah Natanson: hannah.natanson@washpost.com or (202) 580-5477 on Signal.
    Read more about how to use Signal and other ways to securely contact The Post.

    Same shít, different administration. Wake me up with something interesting happens.

    @ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones. 
  • silvermousesilvermouse Posts: 22,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When is Musk going to learn that mixing business with politics is a bad idea?

    Tesla shares fell nearly 7% in premarket trading, after Elon Musk's plans to launch a new US political party reignited investor concerns about his commitment to the electric-vehicle maker's future.

  • d_bladesd_blades Posts: 4,356 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @VegasFrank said:
    I blame the American public for this. They let him get away with this BS.

    It's a good thing we didn't let Biden get away with any BS.

    Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.

  • silvermousesilvermouse Posts: 22,745 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ideology attenuates rationality.

  • VisionVision Posts: 9,784 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Amos_Umwhat said:

    @silvermouse said:
    Ideology attenuates rationality.

    example:

    Reactionary politics leads to mixed messaging.

    I'm assuming you used Babylon Bee as satire, correct? I can only assume that everybody knows it's a fake news satire site.

  • peter4jcpeter4jc Posts: 17,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Satire only works if there's some truth mixed in. That's why the above is so funny.

    "I could've had a Mi Querida!"   Nick Bardis
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