@VegasFrank said: @TRayB Lol okay. The best way to defend your property is with some 50 cals, m4s, a Sherman tank, and constant air patrols with Blackhawks. You'll need gen 3 night vision too. I mean if we're talking about the best.
Go look up the registry.
I'll settle for the .50's, and maybe a few Claymores. Night vision is available.
@VegasFrank said: @TRayB Lol okay. The best way to defend your property is with some 50 cals, m4s, a Sherman tank, and constant air patrols with Blackhawks. You'll need gen 3 night vision too. I mean if we're talking about the best.
Go look up the registry.
I'll settle for the .50's, and maybe a few Claymores. Night vision is available.
You do you buddy.
You as well. 'MURICA, MFer.
Nope. America. Motherfuçker.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
Wondering that since we should create a national disease registry and a national voter ID, then maybe we should create a national gun owner ID and a national firearm registry?
Just hypothetically, are you cool with opposing all 4 of those examples?
Wondering that since we should create a national disease registry and a national voter ID, then maybe we should create a national gun owner ID and a national firearm registry?
Just hypothetically, are you cool with opposing all 4 of those examples?
Strange question. Usually issues are very binary. You either oppose or support.
So let's see.
I have said before that I do not oppose a national voter ID whatsoever as long as we provide them for free to every citizen.
I absolutely oppose the United States government having access to, using, studying, or combining my medical records with anyone else's medical records for any purpose whatsoever. I find that to be an invasion of privacy. Only one exception I can think of is for commanders to have access to medical records for the troops whom they command. That's it.
On a gun owning license, I am generally for it, although I may be able to be talked off the ledge. If you want to turn this into some sort of carry permit, I'm fine with that.
As for the national firearm registry, I am conditionally in favor of it. Traceability of firearms could speed up criminal investigations, generate revenue, and serve a number of other purposes in society. National, state, and local governments know about every every vehicle in the United States and every dog and cat in most jurisdictions. It is not without precedent. And besides, innocent people have nothing to fear.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
Wondering that since we should create a national disease registry and a national voter ID, then maybe we should create a national gun owner ID and a national firearm registry?
Just hypothetically, are you cool with opposing all 4 of those examples?
And besides, innocent people have nothing to fear.
Until they use that registry to disarm those they find unfavorable.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
Wondering that since we should create a national disease registry and a national voter ID, then maybe we should create a national gun owner ID and a national firearm registry?
Just hypothetically, are you cool with opposing all 4 of those examples?
And besides, innocent people have nothing to fear.
Until they use that registry to disarm those they find unfavorable.
Wait what? The government shouldn't shouldn't know everything about us? They might use it against us?
🤔
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
During the Obama years it was mandated that we ask certain questions at every patient encounter. I was constantly in trouble. I'd be called in and asked "Why didn't you ask the patient about smoking? And why didn't you do the smoking cessation (or "sensation", as they kept calling it) teaching? And you didn't go into alcohol or drug use, or gender questions, why not? That has to be done!"
"It was an 11 year old who fell off her bicycle and broke her arm, none of those questions were pertinent to the incident". I'd answer. Or, whatever the situation was.
"We HAVE to ask all those questions and do the teaching every time! Those are monitored." Or, words to that effect.
What the chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling folks that are in an uproar about "Registry" folks don't realize is that all that information has been being gathered for decades now. They already have all the information. They just never named it as a "Registry".
Nothing new to see here. Move along.
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"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Wondering that since we should create a national disease registry and a national voter ID, then maybe we should create a national gun owner ID and a national firearm registry?
Just hypothetically, are you cool with opposing all 4 of those examples?
Strange question. Usually issues are very binary. You either oppose or support.
This is the tricky part, right? At least it is to me. Why do Republicans want politicians to know their health history, but not their gun ownership? Why do Democrats want people to be able to vote without a license, but not own a gun? That's why I asked, it's hard for me to remain ideologically consistent on issues. I will say in my head "I want this policy except for these 25 scenarios that I don't want that policy". I'm trying to get better about that, and I have to a degree, but I'm not all the way there. It sounded to me like you had similar frustrations based on your question.
@CalvinAndHobo attempting to bring sanity to the asylum... good on you for trying to make it all make sense. Love it.
Something Frank said made me think about a gun registry (and I could be wrong)... I wonder what the percentage of guns is that are now unregistered, i.e. they've been stolen or changed hands too many times to track. Which guns will end up on a registry, and how many of the overall guns are that, and would that make a registry useless? Like most who want more/better gun laws passed, I'm thinking the laws, or in this case, a registry, would do nothing to affect the unlawful use of guns.
As for the national firearm registry, I am conditionally in favor of it. Traceability of firearms could speed up criminal investigations, generate revenue, and serve a number of other purposes in society.
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What other purposes would you mean? Go ahead and list them. Might be important.
Frank, you might want to research just how usuful registration has been in solving crime where they currently have them. You want to generate revenue from gun registry? Are you a current or future hopeful politician?
Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.
Traceability is a pipe dream the anti-gun politicians use to sell registries. The only person that can be traced is the original purchaser. Anybody who owns that gun after the original purchaser cannot be traced. Tracing is the lie they use to get a confiscating list. Confiscating is the only purpose of a registry. Hopefully Trump forces the ATF to destroy all hardcopies of 4473s and delete all data that has been illegally digitized by the ATF/FBI.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
Frank, @VegasFrank , I do want to say I am in agreement with you on the Disease registry idea, Although I didn't read about it yet, I don't really have to (but I will sometime soon). I believed the same during the whole covid vaccine fiasco, and the proposed "vaccine passport" that was the wet dream of the CDC/NIH/Big Pharma conglomerate.
Fundamentally, though the two topics (disease and firearms) are different, we are saying the same thing regarding them. It is government overreach, doing things they are not permitted to do constitutionally or legally. I think your concern is the government will do things later that it is saying it does not intend to do at this time. That is my concern with firearms registration. You might list a few ideas you think are good and useful, but later, I fear what has happened in other countries will happen here. It has happened in most (all?) places that instituted a registry.
As a side note, similar to legal firearms sales and transfers records, as Steve mentioned, are tracked and maintained in unofficial "database" registries, many times contrary to State law (I see you Pennsylvania), so are medical files and records already being recorded, saved, and maintained, and are accessible to government anytime they want to see it.
@TRayB said:
Frank, @VegasFrank , I do want to say I am in agreement with you on the Disease registry idea, Although I didn't read about it yet, I don't really have to (but I will sometime soon). I believed the same during the whole covid vaccine fiasco, and the proposed "vaccine passport" that was the wet dream of the CDC/NIH/Big Pharma conglomerate.
Fundamentally, though the two topics (disease and firearms) are different, we are saying the same thing regarding them. It is government overreach, doing things they are not permitted to do constitutionally or legally. I think your concern is the government will do things later that it is saying it does not intend to do at this time. That is my concern with firearms registration. You might list a few ideas you think are good and useful, but later, I fear what has happened in other countries will happen here. It has happened in most (all?) places that instituted a registry.
I disagree with you somewhat, but appreciate your responses.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
I generally come down on the side of less government involvement, I think that would hold true on all 4 of these issues. Defense is the big issue that government needs to cover, hell I don't want to loan them my F-16 for that, oh wait that was on the boat. I totally missed the medical registry issue, the last big medical push I recall was the vaccination passport the government pushed heavily, can't remember which party was pushing that.
Less government = better world.
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You as well. 'MURICA, MFer.
Nope. America. Motherfuçker.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
Just hypothetically, are you cool with opposing all 4 of those examples?
If you could kick the person in the pants responsible for most of your trouble, you wouldn't sit for a month.
Theodore Roosevelt
Strange question. Usually issues are very binary. You either oppose or support.
So let's see.
I have said before that I do not oppose a national voter ID whatsoever as long as we provide them for free to every citizen.
I absolutely oppose the United States government having access to, using, studying, or combining my medical records with anyone else's medical records for any purpose whatsoever. I find that to be an invasion of privacy. Only one exception I can think of is for commanders to have access to medical records for the troops whom they command. That's it.
On a gun owning license, I am generally for it, although I may be able to be talked off the ledge. If you want to turn this into some sort of carry permit, I'm fine with that.
As for the national firearm registry, I am conditionally in favor of it. Traceability of firearms could speed up criminal investigations, generate revenue, and serve a number of other purposes in society. National, state, and local governments know about every every vehicle in the United States and every dog and cat in most jurisdictions. It is not without precedent. And besides, innocent people have nothing to fear.
And besides, innocent people have nothing to fear.
Until they use that registry to disarm those they find unfavorable.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
Wait what? The government shouldn't shouldn't know everything about us? They might use it against us?
🤔
During the Obama years it was mandated that we ask certain questions at every patient encounter. I was constantly in trouble. I'd be called in and asked "Why didn't you ask the patient about smoking? And why didn't you do the smoking cessation (or "sensation", as they kept calling it) teaching? And you didn't go into alcohol or drug use, or gender questions, why not? That has to be done!"
"It was an 11 year old who fell off her bicycle and broke her arm, none of those questions were pertinent to the incident". I'd answer. Or, whatever the situation was.
"We HAVE to ask all those questions and do the teaching every time! Those are monitored." Or, words to that effect.
What the chicken-little-the-sky-is-falling folks that are in an uproar about "Registry" folks don't realize is that all that information has been being gathered for decades now. They already have all the information. They just never named it as a "Registry".
Nothing new to see here. Move along.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
This is the tricky part, right? At least it is to me. Why do Republicans want politicians to know their health history, but not their gun ownership? Why do Democrats want people to be able to vote without a license, but not own a gun? That's why I asked, it's hard for me to remain ideologically consistent on issues. I will say in my head "I want this policy except for these 25 scenarios that I don't want that policy". I'm trying to get better about that, and I have to a degree, but I'm not all the way there. It sounded to me like you had similar frustrations based on your question.
@CalvinAndHobo attempting to bring sanity to the asylum... good on you for trying to make it all make sense. Love it.
Something Frank said made me think about a gun registry (and I could be wrong)... I wonder what the percentage of guns is that are now unregistered, i.e. they've been stolen or changed hands too many times to track. Which guns will end up on a registry, and how many of the overall guns are that, and would that make a registry useless? Like most who want more/better gun laws passed, I'm thinking the laws, or in this case, a registry, would do nothing to affect the unlawful use of guns.
@VegasFrank
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What other purposes would you mean? Go ahead and list them. Might be important.
Frank, you might want to research just how usuful registration has been in solving crime where they currently have them. You want to generate revenue from gun registry? Are you a current or future hopeful politician?
Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.
Traceability is a pipe dream the anti-gun politicians use to sell registries. The only person that can be traced is the original purchaser. Anybody who owns that gun after the original purchaser cannot be traced. Tracing is the lie they use to get a confiscating list. Confiscating is the only purpose of a registry. Hopefully Trump forces the ATF to destroy all hardcopies of 4473s and delete all data that has been illegally digitized by the ATF/FBI.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
Sure wish that boat hadnt sunk.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this has been fantastic entertainment. Thank you, all.
Frank, @VegasFrank , I do want to say I am in agreement with you on the Disease registry idea, Although I didn't read about it yet, I don't really have to (but I will sometime soon). I believed the same during the whole covid vaccine fiasco, and the proposed "vaccine passport" that was the wet dream of the CDC/NIH/Big Pharma conglomerate.
Fundamentally, though the two topics (disease and firearms) are different, we are saying the same thing regarding them. It is government overreach, doing things they are not permitted to do constitutionally or legally. I think your concern is the government will do things later that it is saying it does not intend to do at this time. That is my concern with firearms registration. You might list a few ideas you think are good and useful, but later, I fear what has happened in other countries will happen here. It has happened in most (all?) places that instituted a registry.
As a side note, similar to legal firearms sales and transfers records, as Steve mentioned, are tracked and maintained in unofficial "database" registries, many times contrary to State law (I see you Pennsylvania), so are medical files and records already being recorded, saved, and maintained, and are accessible to government anytime they want to see it.
I disagree with you somewhat, but appreciate your responses.
Back at ya Frank. Thank you. You are funny. Predictable, sure, but lots of fun.
It’s a It’s an epidemic!
They don’t build boats like they used to.
Back atcha
I generally come down on the side of less government involvement, I think that would hold true on all 4 of these issues. Defense is the big issue that government needs to cover, hell I don't want to loan them my F-16 for that, oh wait that was on the boat. I totally missed the medical registry issue, the last big medical push I recall was the vaccination passport the government pushed heavily, can't remember which party was pushing that.
Less government = better world.