Wait, what? So no half smoked cigars back in the humidor? Check. But really.
I did notice the cigars I had in Tupperware seemed to me, more moist than the ones in the standard humidor. I'm seasoning a new box I just received. I feel the wood absorbing and releasing plus Boveda would work in tandem over the plastic.
@MichaelK said:
Wait, what? So no half smoked cigars back in the humidor? Check. But really.
I did notice the cigars I had in Tupperware seemed to me, more moist than the ones in the standard humidor. I'm seasoning a new box I just received. I feel the wood absorbing and releasing plus Boveda would work in tandem over the plastic.
So much of this will depend on where you live and what season of the year it is.
I'm starting a pool; how long before @MichaelK sees the futility of wooden humidors and ceases from his struggles?
@MichaelK said:
Wait, what? So no half smoked cigars back in the humidor? Check. But really.
I did notice the cigars I had in Tupperware seemed to me, more moist than the ones in the standard humidor. I'm seasoning a new box I just received. I feel the wood absorbing and releasing plus Boveda would work in tandem over the plastic.
Wood is not two way humidification. What you're looking to get is as little fluctuation as possible... won't get that with wood. But what do we know. 100+ years combined experiences never helped anyone anyhow.
This is why I came here, to learn a lil something. I would never dismiss advice based off experience. You learn from mistakes and from others who know.
@MichaelK said:
This is why I came here, to learn a lil something. I would never dismiss advice based off experience. You learn from mistakes and from others who know.
One of the biggest things you have to consider is the environment that you’re keeping your cigars in. Do you live in a hot and humid climate? Does it stay fairly stable year round? Where in the house are you storing your cigars? Does the temperature vary a lot in that room? All of these thing play a part in what the best way to store them actually is.
And another thing….don’t fret over humidity. Hygrometers measure rh in the air…not the moisture content of your cigars. Humidity is also measured as rh, which is relative humidity. It’s relative to the temperature in said environment.
Cigars are much more resilient than most people give them credit for. Don’t worry about reaching what a lot of people claim are perfect numbers for this and that. Worry about reaching what works for you and getting the best experience you can out of YOUR cigars and setup.
Up in the north east and we having plenty of rain, so humidity has been high. You said it best when you said about getting the best experience you can from your set up. When smoking pipe tobacco I prefer it dry.
@MichaelK said:
Up in the north east and we having plenty of rain, so humidity has been high. You said it best when you said about getting the best experience you can from your set up. When smoking pipe tobacco I prefer it dry.
Where in the North East? I'm in Massachusetts and the swings in temp and rh are brutal.
@Rdp77 said:
This is one of those hobbies that everyone is right…and everyone is wrong. It’s one of those things where you just have to figure out what’s best for you because everyone’s situation is different.
Nope.
Just ask @Vision for all the right answers regarding cigar storage. Aaaand if you disagree he will troll the 💩 out of you 😘
Not this guy.... unless you're trying to store your half smoked cigars in a wooden.... that's a no.... a hard no. I just go with 65 Boveda and done.
Real men have wood. Candyasses use plastic.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
@Rdp77 said:
This is one of those hobbies that everyone is right…and everyone is wrong. It’s one of those things where you just have to figure out what’s best for you because everyone’s situation is different.
Nope.
Just ask @Vision for all the right answers regarding cigar storage. Aaaand if you disagree he will troll the 💩 out of you 😘
Not this guy.... unless you're trying to store your half smoked cigars in a wooden.... that's a no.... a hard no. I just go with 65 Boveda and done.
Real men have wood. Candyasses use plastic.
You have both. Does that mean you were half a man and half a candy ass?
@OutdoorsSmoke_21191 Half a candy ass is just an ass. Yes I'm a real man and an ass. You know this.
To @MichaelK, I will say that for me the 6 ft tall wooden humidor in my house, here in Las Vegas at 6% RH today, is just as easy as the two wine fridges that I have. They both require 5 minutes of maintenance a month.
I came over to the 101 thread because I smelled something funny, and I finally discovered it. There's a whole lot of bullshít going on in this thread. For instance, wood is indeed a two-way humidity device. When you have RH spikes in your wooden box, the wood does soak some of it up, though not as effectively as you would hope. Likewise, if the box is really dry and the wood is really wet, it will release a certain percentage of moisture into the box, again, not in the way that would make you sleep well at night.
Plastic will not do that, but then again, there are only two ways you can have a humidity emergency in your cooler, and one of them involves you being a dumbass or a klutz.
I love the reinventing the wheel comment. We have literally reinvented the wheel in this hobby and industry every 2 years going back 150 years.
100 years ago, humidors were lined with copper. They only ended the practice when the price of copper became cost prohibitive. Copper, by the way, is not porous. Of course after that they went back to wood. Why? Because it's fine.
The major changes that I can remember off of the top of my head are green floral foam, which drips out moisture at about 70% RH at about 70° f, which was coincidentally considered gospel for 20 or 30 years. It was the gold standard because of the floral foam, not the other way around.
Then we had that cigar juice bull crap, which was some sort of glycerin gel that you put in your humidors.
Then we had kitty litter. Then we had beads, which were just spherical clear kitty litter.
Then we had boveda. Now we have boost, which claims to be better than boveda, and which I am starting to believe.
We went from no storage to copper lined storage to mahogany storage and now to plastic storage. One day I'm sure we'll have titanium storage or unicorn leather storage or leprechaun skin storage or some other bullshit.
We went no cellophane, cellophane, no cellophane, then back to a compromise of "whatever the cigar comes in."
Anyone who cannot manage a wooden humidor shouldn't have a fishing license, let alone a driver's license, let alone a cigar collection. It's not brain science and it's not rocket surgery. The general rule that I have found is that the smaller your wooden humidor, the more of a pain in the ass it is to keep it maintained.
Rusty hit it right on the head. cigars are more resilient than their neurotic owners who fret about 1% RH in one direction or the other.
Finally, there's no wrong way to do it unless you're inhaling cigars or unless your forum handle is @vision.
Welcome Michael! Glad to have you brother.
@ScotchnSmoke sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.
The one thing that Mr. @VegasFrank is assuming, is that it's a quality wooden humidor. We don't know who makes it. It could be some dog **** Amazon special with a dog **** of a seal. We don't even know if it's real cedar. Could be some pine box that was purchased off of some shady website. A lot of assumption up there.... no?
We always feel like this needs to be complicated, but it's really not. Eliminate air leaks to the best of our ability. Two way humidification, no matter who you choose, is always the best solution. Spanish cedar is not the only type of wood used in making humidors… But red cedar should never be used, ever, even if you think you've sealed it. If you start with quality, you'll end with quality not all humidors are made the same. Fit and finish will be better on a name brand humidor, then some cheapie off of Amazon. Cheap and simple is owning a goldfish, but owning a humidor isn't as easy when you throw in tons of variables that we do not know...... unless you can read minds
I apologize gentlemen, things got busy towards the end of June. I wish you all a Happy Independence Day. With what Vegas Frank said, I want to feel Spanish Cedar along with a Boveda does a good and take over plastic.
To Vision Post: I'm here in North East Pennsylvania.
Don't listen to Frank, just because he gives you the answer you want to hear. (only half tongue-in-cheek, due to his location).
The overall stability of your climate, as well as that of the environment you store your cigars in will determine how easy a wood humidor is to maintain.
I've had 2 boost packs explode. I've never had that with boveda. I set up a cooler years ago, and threw a couple of the 62 cooler sized bovedas in. I have never had to recharge or swap them. It is literally brainless maintenance.
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Wait, what? So no half smoked cigars back in the humidor? Check. But really.
I did notice the cigars I had in Tupperware seemed to me, more moist than the ones in the standard humidor. I'm seasoning a new box I just received. I feel the wood absorbing and releasing plus Boveda would work in tandem over the plastic.
Every one thinks they can reinvent the wheel.
Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.
So much of this will depend on where you live and what season of the year it is.
I'm starting a pool; how long before @MichaelK sees the futility of wooden humidors and ceases from his struggles?
Wood is not two way humidification. What you're looking to get is as little fluctuation as possible... won't get that with wood. But what do we know. 100+ years combined experiences never helped anyone anyhow.
This is why I came here, to learn a lil something. I would never dismiss advice based off experience. You learn from mistakes and from others who know.
One of the biggest things you have to consider is the environment that you’re keeping your cigars in. Do you live in a hot and humid climate? Does it stay fairly stable year round? Where in the house are you storing your cigars? Does the temperature vary a lot in that room? All of these thing play a part in what the best way to store them actually is.
And another thing….don’t fret over humidity. Hygrometers measure rh in the air…not the moisture content of your cigars. Humidity is also measured as rh, which is relative humidity. It’s relative to the temperature in said environment.
Cigars are much more resilient than most people give them credit for. Don’t worry about reaching what a lot of people claim are perfect numbers for this and that. Worry about reaching what works for you and getting the best experience you can out of YOUR cigars and setup.
Up in the north east and we having plenty of rain, so humidity has been high. You said it best when you said about getting the best experience you can from your set up. When smoking pipe tobacco I prefer it dry.
Where in the North East? I'm in Massachusetts and the swings in temp and rh are brutal.
Tupperdor or cooler and 63% bovida for me. Used to run bovida 69% but was just a but much for my liking.
Real men have wood. Candyasses use plastic.
You have both. Does that mean you were half a man and half a candy ass?
A good cigar and whiskey solve most problems.
@OutdoorsSmoke_21191 Half a candy ass is just an ass. Yes I'm a real man and an ass. You know this.
To @MichaelK, I will say that for me the 6 ft tall wooden humidor in my house, here in Las Vegas at 6% RH today, is just as easy as the two wine fridges that I have. They both require 5 minutes of maintenance a month.
I came over to the 101 thread because I smelled something funny, and I finally discovered it. There's a whole lot of bullshít going on in this thread. For instance, wood is indeed a two-way humidity device. When you have RH spikes in your wooden box, the wood does soak some of it up, though not as effectively as you would hope. Likewise, if the box is really dry and the wood is really wet, it will release a certain percentage of moisture into the box, again, not in the way that would make you sleep well at night.
Plastic will not do that, but then again, there are only two ways you can have a humidity emergency in your cooler, and one of them involves you being a dumbass or a klutz.
I love the reinventing the wheel comment. We have literally reinvented the wheel in this hobby and industry every 2 years going back 150 years.
100 years ago, humidors were lined with copper. They only ended the practice when the price of copper became cost prohibitive. Copper, by the way, is not porous. Of course after that they went back to wood. Why? Because it's fine.
The major changes that I can remember off of the top of my head are green floral foam, which drips out moisture at about 70% RH at about 70° f, which was coincidentally considered gospel for 20 or 30 years. It was the gold standard because of the floral foam, not the other way around.
Then we had that cigar juice bull crap, which was some sort of glycerin gel that you put in your humidors.
Then we had kitty litter. Then we had beads, which were just spherical clear kitty litter.
Then we had boveda. Now we have boost, which claims to be better than boveda, and which I am starting to believe.
We went from no storage to copper lined storage to mahogany storage and now to plastic storage. One day I'm sure we'll have titanium storage or unicorn leather storage or leprechaun skin storage or some other bullshit.
We went no cellophane, cellophane, no cellophane, then back to a compromise of "whatever the cigar comes in."
Anyone who cannot manage a wooden humidor shouldn't have a fishing license, let alone a driver's license, let alone a cigar collection. It's not brain science and it's not rocket surgery. The general rule that I have found is that the smaller your wooden humidor, the more of a pain in the ass it is to keep it maintained.
Rusty hit it right on the head. cigars are more resilient than their neurotic owners who fret about 1% RH in one direction or the other.
Finally, there's no wrong way to do it unless you're inhaling cigars or unless your forum handle is @vision.
Welcome Michael! Glad to have you brother.
My agree... but I'll try anything once.
The one thing that Mr. @VegasFrank is assuming, is that it's a quality wooden humidor. We don't know who makes it. It could be some dog **** Amazon special with a dog **** of a seal. We don't even know if it's real cedar. Could be some pine box that was purchased off of some shady website. A lot of assumption up there.... no?
We always feel like this needs to be complicated, but it's really not. Eliminate air leaks to the best of our ability. Two way humidification, no matter who you choose, is always the best solution. Spanish cedar is not the only type of wood used in making humidors… But red cedar should never be used, ever, even if you think you've sealed it. If you start with quality, you'll end with quality not all humidors are made the same. Fit and finish will be better on a name brand humidor, then some cheapie off of Amazon. Cheap and simple is owning a goldfish, but owning a humidor isn't as easy when you throw in tons of variables that we do not know...... unless you can read minds
I apologize gentlemen, things got busy towards the end of June. I wish you all a Happy Independence Day. With what Vegas Frank said, I want to feel Spanish Cedar along with a Boveda does a good and take over plastic.
To Vision Post: I'm here in North East Pennsylvania.
A good give and take*
Don't listen to Frank, just because he gives you the answer you want to hear. (only half tongue-in-cheek, due to his location).
The overall stability of your climate, as well as that of the environment you store your cigars in will determine how easy a wood humidor is to maintain.
I've had 2 boost packs explode. I've never had that with boveda. I set up a cooler years ago, and threw a couple of the 62 cooler sized bovedas in. I have never had to recharge or swap them. It is literally brainless maintenance.
At any given time the urge to sing "In The Jungle" is just a whim away... A whim away... A whim away...