Political Discussions

@Vision said:

@TRayB said:

Like @Wylaff said and I’ll add 5 MPH in the space of 5 feet should have cost her her life?? Wow. If it was a family member or friend would you feel the same way?

She willfully disregarded direct orders from Federal Law Enforcement, and proceeded to step on the gas while her vehicle was pointed towards an officer.

Pete, I've learned a few things over the years as a law-abiding firearms owner, who sometimes carries a firearm. Mostly, the Law in the U.S. doesn't like people who do so, therefore, 1 - Stay within the limits of the Law, 2 - Don't talk to the Police, and 3 - Don't antagonize the police, and 4 - the side of the road is not the place to resist, there are courts for redress.

A great series of mistakes with increasing consequences is what killed her. I'll let the investigation sort itself out, chips fall where they fall, but several bad choices lead to this tragedy. I don't rejoice in her death, or think she deserved it, but that doesn't mean she's not mostly responsible.

So, my first post regarding this situation referred to Ashley Babbit, the woman who was shot inside the Capitol on Jan. 6. Did she deserve it, or not? Was it her fault? Where do stand on these questions?

@Vision said:
Kill em all!

Let’s just pray it isn’t one of ours.

I guess it’s just sick that we have stopped seeing other human beings as human beings. We see them as political adversaries. We see them as the opposition. We see them as the enemy. We forget that they are people.

You are going overboard. I never said anything like that.

Do you see Ashley Babbitt as a human being, or was she just a deluded MAGA insurrectionist who got what she deserved?

@ShawnOL said:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. She killed herself.

Factually untrue.

I’ll go get the doll….

@Vision said:

@TRayB said:

@Vision said:

@ShawnOL said:
Stupid liberal **** should stay home and not be out provoking , jeering and disrupting federal agents doing their jobs.

Should have cost her her life, no...but sometimes the consequences of one's actions are more than what's expected.

So her actions should have resulted in her death? Got it.

Student says “Fück you” to teacher…. Teacher breaks kids jaw…

Sometimes the consequences of one's actions are more than what's expected…..

Only if he student was in a car heading towards the teacher

@ShawnOL said:
Surrounded by federal agents, ordered out of the vehicle, she refuses to follow lawful commands. She shifted her car into drive and started moving toward police. Bingo. She committed an act that led to her death. Suicide.

Good was ordered by one ICE agent to leave the scene in her vehicle, while another agent simultaneously yelled for her to get out of the car and reached for the door handle.

You choose what helps you sleep better….

@ShawnOL said:
Vision is a masshole. They all believe cops should have to wait until bullets are wizzing past their heads before responding to a threat.

Zero point zero. I teach my son to obey laws, obey and respect law enforcement, and treat people with love and respect.

How many times did she and her wife drive in that area and cut off ICE cares or attempt to. Was this a person on the way somewhere, or was she out there trying to be a disruption?

Or is that what the media wants you to believe, anything to divide us

Edit; I don't believe one thing main stream media reports anymore. Ms. Good stuck her nose in business that wasn't hers. If you are concerned your gardener or tortilla maker will be deported there are probably better ways to handle it than blocking ICE vehicles

@Itsfine said:
These issues are complex, far more complex that can be effectively explored in this format.

than

Frank brought up the fool's errand, aka political divide. To whit, this interesting analysis:

Landholder vs stockholder
In 1752, David Hume discerned that wealth was becoming untethered from land. Here lies the origin of our political divisions

https://aeon.co/essays/why-hume-is-better-at-explaining-modern-capitalism-than-marx?

It's almost embarrassing but I gotta agree with @Itsfine

@peter4jc said:
This could go in the Can't Make This Up thread, but alas, it might spark some unwanted "political" discussion there.

Man 'trains' crows to attack MAGA hats

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/man-trains-crows-attack-maga-36552699

I’m a conservative who agrees with Trump on probably 75% of his political views and thisis freaking awesome and hilarious lol. Crows can be mean

@Itsfine said:

@aditmars@hotmail.com said:

@peter4jc said:
This could go in the Can't Make This Up thread, but alas, it might spark some unwanted "political" discussion there.

Man 'trains' crows to attack MAGA hats

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/man-trains-crows-attack-maga-36552699

I’m a conservative who agrees with Trump on probably 75% of his political views and thisis freaking awesome and hilarious lol. Crows can be mean

That's awesome. Now that you've identified the problem, you can take steps to rectify it.

Would that be to ask groups of folks using animals to to do objectionable things to stop.