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silvermouse · January 19

But I want it and I am going to yell and break things until I get what I want.
--Fvcking 2 year old

Amos_Umwhat · January 19

@TRayB said:
Here is a worthwhile read on the significance of Greenland geopolitically.

https://www.diplomacyandlaw.com/post/the-geopolitical-significance-of-greenland

Excellent article, a lot to think about.

Vision · January 19

@silvermouse said:
But I want it and I am going to yell and break things until I get what I want.
--Fvcking 2 year old

This!

Itsfine · January 19

@ShawnOL said:
What's the point? Its not for sale.

The point is that there's a kid that saw something on TV and now he wants it for Christmas. I agree. Greenland is worthless. Move on.

dirtdude · January 19

That's what they said about Alaska

Itsfine · January 20

@dirtdude said:
That's what they said about Alaska

Nice straw man. That's what they said about Antarctica too, and they were correct.

If Greenland was so geopolitically important, Russia would have occupied it 50 years ago.

peter4jc · January 20

True?
May be a graphic of text that says 'The increasing political division does not arise from one side hating the other side. It arises from one side hating the caricature that they have created of the other side.'

edz · January 20

@Itsfine said:

@dirtdude said:
That's what they said about Alaska

Nice straw man. That's what they said about Antarctica too, and they were correct.

If Greenland was so geopolitically important, Russia would have occupied it 50 years ago.

NATO, rocky and Bullwinkle attitude that would have stopped them.

Itsfine · January 20

@edz said:

@Itsfine said:

@dirtdude said:
That's what they said about Alaska

Nice straw man. That's what they said about Antarctica too, and they were correct.

If Greenland was so geopolitically important, Russia would have occupied it 50 years ago.

NATO, rocky and Bullwinkle attitude that would have stopped them.

Maybe, but if it were that important, they'd have at least tried or made overtures.

edz · January 20

@Itsfine said:

@edz said:

@Itsfine said:

@dirtdude said:
That's what they said about Alaska

Nice straw man. That's what they said about Antarctica too, and they were correct.

If Greenland was so geopolitically important, Russia would have occupied it 50 years ago.

NATO, rocky and Bullwinkle attitude that would have stopped them.

Maybe, but if it were that important, they'd have at least tried or made overtures.

sorry ,but disagree. They were in no position to do that. Wasn't that many years before that when they were giving troops guns with no bullets telling them to get the bullets off of the fallen ones.

Itsfine · January 20

@edz said:

@Itsfine said:

@edz said:

@Itsfine said:

@dirtdude said:
That's what they said about Alaska

Nice straw man. That's what they said about Antarctica too, and they were correct.

If Greenland was so geopolitically important, Russia would have occupied it 50 years ago.

NATO, rocky and Bullwinkle attitude that would have stopped them.

Maybe, but if it were that important, they'd have at least tried or made overtures.

sorry ,but disagree. They were in no position to do that. Wasn't that many years before that when they were giving troops guns with no bullets telling them to get the bullets off of the fallen ones.

Yeah that is fine probably so. We got off track anyways.

The whole "everybody said Alaska was a mistake so therefore Greenland is not a mistake just because people said Alaska was a mistake" is a dumb argument.

Alaska ended up becoming important because we discovered oil and because geopolitics changed in the region 50 years after the sale.

Greenland no valuable natural resources in any significant quantities that I can find.

Greenland*s geography is of no value geopolitically when considering our biggest peer adversary problems.

Denmark would literally sell us or rent us as much real estate on the ice sheet as we wanted to to put up all of the goofy **** with the so-called experts say we need. But we want to own for no other reason than imperialism.

Owning that giant chunk of ice makes the government bigger. More administration, more poor Inuit people getting the free handouts of conservatives are always sniveling about. More roads to repair more ports to upgrade more land to defend outside of our current borders.

Juice ain't worth the squeeze. Just saying it is doesn't make it so.

silvermouse · January 20

I think it is time for Congress to grow a spine, tell the president "no. Go take a nap."

silvermouse · January 21

Otoh, here's a list of Trump's successes, straight from the White House.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2026/01/365-wins-in-365-days-president-trumps-return-marks-new-era-of-success-prosperity/

Itsfine · January 21

Looks like somebody finally got around to writing their five bullets for Elon

dirtdude · January 21

We had a lively No King, Resist, Fuçk Trump rally here yesterday, must have been a hundred kids and a few Grandma and Grandpa's that probably busted their chops protesting the war in the 60s. Got to wondering later, where the hell did all those kids come from, never see kids around here, the couple we have seen the dog barks at them as if they are aliens

Itsfine · January 21

Sounds like a good time!

Vision · January 21

My flight just landed. Had a great time in Arizona! Made an extra $37 for my efforts.

Yakster · January 21

The kids are all paid actors, of course.

TRayB · January 22

Trump Right About Arctic Security, NATO’s Rutte Says

The secretary-general also praised the president for encouraging other member states to up their defense spending.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/trump-right-about-arctic-security-natos-rutte-says-5974139?src_src=Goodevening&src_cmp=gv-2026-01-21&est=XTCTJ4G1mIqgQ+4mhhMii1u2cvMP2ftJGVaCAkBtPrkg3mKkui1t/1elViVj9haApBFjEw==

Also, seems like in 2019 Denmark agreed to spend $200M on defenses in Greenland, but to this point has only spent about 1% of that number.

Itsfine · January 22

Can't argue with the world renowned epoch times hahahaha. Of course Europe feels this way. They think Russia is their #1 threat.

True or not, it's not ours.

TRayB · January 22

Are you suggesting Rutte didn't say what the Epoch Times says he said?

Yes, Europe feels it is their problem, but expects us to take care of it at our expense. Well, Greenland will go a long way towards covering that expense.

BTW, Trump was never going to take Greenland by force. LOL.

Vision · January 22

Now Iceland! WTF!

silvermouse · January 22

The United States national debt has reached a precarious milestone, hitting 100% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) and placing the nation on a trajectory that could trigger six distinct types of fiscal crises, according to an ominous new warning issued Thursday by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB). ‘Some form of crisis is almost inevitable’

dirtdude · January 22

It's about 20 years late Edward

Itsfine · January 23

Itsfine · January 23

@TRayB said:
Are you suggesting Rutte didn't say what the Epoch Times says he said?

Yes, Europe feels it is their problem, but expects us to take care of it at our expense. Well, Greenland will go a long way towards covering that expense.

BTW, Trump was never going to take Greenland by force. LOL.

I'm saying that I wouldn't be caught dead clicking on a link from that site ever under any circumstance.

Greenland will always cost us more than we get from it, under 100% of the scenarios. And Russia will be a dead 3rd world country in 45 years.

dirtdude · January 23

USGS has Greenland pegged as the 8th largest supply of rare earth minerals

Itsfine · January 23

@dirtdude said:
USGS has Greenland pegged as the 8th largest supply of rare earth minerals

Yep with 1.5 million metric tons. That sounds like a lot but it's not. China is first with around a half a billion metric tons. The US has over 100 million metric tons of its own.

The reason that nobody's mind these rare earth minerals, including the Dutch, is because it's extremely hard and expensive to do it based on where they're located in Greenland.

I equate it to to deep sea oil mining in the '40s and '50s. We knew there was oil under there, and we didn't go get it because there was plenty of oil everywhere else it was dangerous to set up those rigs.

Does this change in 20 to 70 years, or 100? Maybe. Maybe not. But nobody has said that we need Greenland for their lithium. It's because we don't.

Itsfine · January 23

Quick edit, China has 44 million ion metric tons of rare earth minerals, not 440. I was going off of memory.

While it may be true that we import the majority of our rare Earth minerals and the majority of those imports are from China, the fact is it amounts to about 10,000 metric tons a year -ish. Considering we have More than 200 times that in our own reserves, the safe assumption is that we're doing so because it's cheaper to do so, not because we are reliant on a foreign communist government to power our cell phones.

Don't know if you know this, but the Pacific Ocean is the largest surface water source in the world, and we don't tap into it for drinking water.

We could, but we don't because it's expensive. We still get fresh water out of the ground. Same economic principle here.

The rare earth argument is red herring which is trying to build in an excuse for doing something after the fact.

Itsfine · January 23

And just to connect the final dots for anybody out there interested, which I am not even, if we were to annex Greenland and then make all of those people United States citizens, we would have to pay them United States wages, which would make mining their rare Earth minerals even more expensive and even less lucrative, likely resulting in us never mining one single ounce of them.

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