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sure would be nice, respectable, and sane to advance our values of fairness and good will to all citizens. Left, middle, and right want what is best for themselves and their neighbors (unless they are dicks) but it ain't going to happen without some compromise.
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I'd like to hear someone explain how you can live in this country, without a ID.
Don't let the wife know what you spend on guns, ammo or cigars.
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@Bob_Luken said:
Wow this meme was flagged twice..I guess it hurt some feelings 🤣🤣🤣
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@aditmars@hotmail.com said:
@Bob_Luken said:
Wow this meme was flagged twice..I guess it hurt some feelings 🤣🤣🤣
Yours, obviously.
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Edit… That flag on yours, me. I checked Bobs, not me.
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@aditmars@hotmail.com said:
@Bob_Luken said:
Wow this meme was flagged twice..I guess it hurt some feelings 🤣🤣🤣
Some folks don't appreciate irony.
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@d_blades said:
I'd like to hear someone explain how you can live in this country, without a ID.Scenario 1: poor single mother who doesn't travel, doesn't drive and lives with mom doesn't need an ID. No one will ever ask you for it.
Scenario 2: old grandma lives in her house since the 1960s. She doesn't work and gets her dead husband's social security check every month. She's had her bank account since 1974. She has a debit card and takes the bus to and from the corner store where she buys her groceries.
I don't think you'll find anyone reasonable who will argue with voter ID requirements as long as we can use the nationally issued, free ID that the u.s. government has been issuing for over 100 years as one of our options.
Okay let me edit this a bit. Caveat number 2 is that the state votes it in as a state law. Voting, even for a national race like President, is a state function by law. It is run by the Secretary of State in each state. It always has been.
This is one of the compromises that Hamilton made and Madison facilitated to the Christian God fearing Bible thumping conservative Southern boys who wanted to make sure that there were no negroes voting in any elections. The southerners worried that a national agency charged with voting operations not have the best interest of the local populace in mind, and they hid this under the guise of the federal government having too much power inside the state.
So if the state votes it in, then have a nut let people use the free federal government issued ID card that has been good enough to get paid once a month for the rest of your life since the late '60s.
Edit number two for clarity. Hamilton is the one who wanted nationalized voting and Madison convinced him to budge.
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@ScotchnSmoke still sux lots of large wéiners. And tons of small ones.1 -
Everybody has an id, even the illegals.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
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@ShawnOL said:
Everybody has an id, even the illegals.You know, when I lived overseas it seems like every country I travelled in the local people universally used their passports as their ID, and everyone, really, everyone had one. Perhaps we should try some simple solution like that?
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@Amos_Umwhat said:
@ShawnOL said:
Everybody has an id, even the illegals.You know, when I lived overseas it seems like every country I travelled in the local people universally used their passports as their ID, and everyone, really, everyone had one. Perhaps we should try some simple solution like that?
Social security cards are already auto issued.
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Fully 100% on board with free ID's for citizens, including free driver's licenses (still have to pass the tests of course). Having an authentic ID also makes it vastly easier to get a job of some kind, and therefore contribute to society in a beneficial way. It would pay for itself multiple times over.
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@Itsfine said:
@Amos_Umwhat said:
@ShawnOL said:
Everybody has an id, even the illegals.You know, when I lived overseas it seems like every country I travelled in the local people universally used their passports as their ID, and everyone, really, everyone had one. Perhaps we should try some simple solution like that?
Social security cards are already auto issued.
Passport is issued to a citizen of a country, and no other country, is this also the case with SS? If so, perhaps it would suffice? But, it's just a card with a name and numbers on it, no way of knowing if the person who's carrying it is the person they say they are. No picture, no description, and they are quite flimsy and probably very easy to forge. Not so much with the passport. So, eliminate the Social Security card and add the number to the passport? Might not be a bad idea, and use that as voter ID as well. We could even add drivers license section once the requirements have been met.
We are still talking about voter eligibility here? I'm not sure why anyone would want foreign nationals voting in our elections. I don't want to go to Mexico and vote in theirs, or Russia, or China, or Somalia, or anywhere else in the world. How is this even a question? Who wants people from other countries voting in our elections? No one with our best interest at heart, that's for sure.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain1 -
just got a passport, all it took was a certified birth certificate and comes with a wallet card (for an extra $40).
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How many of you know someone here who is here undocumented and lines up to vote?
To vote, at least in my state, you need to enter into the parking lot with traffic being directed by a police officer, walk up to the building where the doors are being manned by police officers, walk up to the table to show your ID to a person who has police officers to their side, all to vote….. This sounds logical for someone here illegally to risk everything just to vote right?
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@CalvinAndHobo said:
Fully 100% on board with free ID's for citizens, including free driver's licenses (still have to pass the tests of course). Having an authentic ID also makes it vastly easier to get a job of some kind, and therefore contribute to society in a beneficial way. It would pay for itself multiple times over.Free means tax payer dollars. Someone has to provide the materials and make them.
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@silvermouse said:
just got a passport, all it took was a certified birth certificate and comes with a wallet card (for an extra $40).Same here. Birth certificate should indicate citizenship, no?
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@Vision said:
How many of you know someone here who is here undocumented and lines up to vote?To vote, at least in my state, you need to enter into the parking lot with traffic being directed by a police officer, walk up to the building where the doors are being manned by police officers, walk up to the table to show your ID to a person who has police officers to their side, all to vote….. This sounds logical for someone here illegally to risk everything just to vote right?
Good points, makes me wonder where all the fuss is coming from?
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain0 -
@Amos_Umwhat said:
@Vision said:
How many of you know someone here who is here undocumented and lines up to vote?To vote, at least in my state, you need to enter into the parking lot with traffic being directed by a police officer, walk up to the building where the doors are being manned by police officers, walk up to the table to show your ID to a person who has police officers to their side, all to vote….. This sounds logical for someone here illegally to risk everything just to vote right?
Good points, makes me wonder where all the fuss is coming from?
Media…. Both sides.
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I have never seen a police officer at a Pennsylvania polling station. As a matter of fact, police officers on duty are banned from polling stations unless they are actually voting, or there is some sort of disturbance they are called in to handle. . There is typically a constable, but he or she has no arresting authority.
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Some states sign you up to vote when you get a driver's license, with mail ballots you never see a polling place
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@TRayB said:
I have never seen a police officer at a Pennsylvania polling station. As a matter of fact, police officers on duty are banned from polling stations unless they are actually voting, or there is some sort of disturbance they are called in to handle. . There is typically a constable, but he or she has no arresting authority.I use officers as a general term. Could be local, could be sheriffs, just being general.
How many people live in the town that you vote? In the town where my wife works there’s 110,000 people. 55k where I live.
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@Vision said:
@TRayB said:
I have never seen a police officer at a Pennsylvania polling station. As a matter of fact, police officers on duty are banned from polling stations unless they are actually voting, or there is some sort of disturbance they are called in to handle. . There is typically a constable, but he or she has no arresting authority.I use officers as a general term. Could be local, could be sheriffs, just being general.
How many people live in the town that you vote? In the town where my wife works there’s 110,000 people. 55k where I live.
It doesn't matter how large the town is. It's a state law. No state police, no local police, no Sheriff's deputies. What are you guys doing up there, trying to intimidate voters and suppress the vote? And what do you have going on that you need police at every polling location in every town over 55k people. There aren't enough police in the state to put 6-8 at every polling location.
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@TRayB said:
@Vision said:
@TRayB said:
I have never seen a police officer at a Pennsylvania polling station. As a matter of fact, police officers on duty are banned from polling stations unless they are actually voting, or there is some sort of disturbance they are called in to handle. . There is typically a constable, but he or she has no arresting authority.I use officers as a general term. Could be local, could be sheriffs, just being general.
How many people live in the town that you vote? In the town where my wife works there’s 110,000 people. 55k where I live.
It doesn't matter how large the town is. It's a state law. No state police, no local police, no Sheriff's deputies. What are you guys doing up there, trying to intimidate voters and suppress the vote? And what do you have going on that you need police at every polling location in every town over 55k people. There aren't enough police in the state to put 6-8 at every polling location.
Todd. I asked a pretty simple question. How many people live in your town? I assuming public safety. Man…. All that voter fraud in your state tho huh?!? Damn…. I would have never had thought you would be ok with this.
Section 71. The presiding officer at each polling place shall enforce the performance by election officers of their duties. During an election and the counting of the ballots after the close of the polls, he shall have authority to maintain order and to enforce obedience to his lawful commands, in and about the polling place and to keep the access thereto open and unobstructed, and he may require any police officer, constable or other person to communicate his orders and directions and assist in their enforcement.
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@Vision said:
@TRayB said:
@Vision said:
@TRayB said:
I have never seen a police officer at a Pennsylvania polling station. As a matter of fact, police officers on duty are banned from polling stations unless they are actually voting, or there is some sort of disturbance they are called in to handle. . There is typically a constable, but he or she has no arresting authority.I use officers as a general term. Could be local, could be sheriffs, just being general.
How many people live in the town that you vote? In the town where my wife works there’s 110,000 people. 55k where I live.
It doesn't matter how large the town is. It's a state law. No state police, no local police, no Sheriff's deputies. What are you guys doing up there, trying to intimidate voters and suppress the vote? And what do you have going on that you need police at every polling location in every town over 55k people. There aren't enough police in the state to put 6-8 at every polling location.
Todd. I asked a pretty simple question. How many people live in your town? I assuming public safety. Man…. All that voter fraud in your state tho huh?!? Damn…. I would have never had thought you would be ok with this.
Section 71. The presiding officer at each polling place shall enforce the performance by election officers of their duties. During an election and the counting of the ballots after the close of the polls, he shall have authority to maintain order and to enforce obedience to his lawful commands, in and about the polling place and to keep the access thereto open and unobstructed, and he may require any police officer, constable or other person to communicate his orders and directions and assist in their enforcement.
I'll post the statute when I get home. No police within 100 feet of a polling place. It doesn't matter about the size of the town.
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@TRayB said:
@Vision said:
@TRayB said:
@Vision said:
@TRayB said:
I have never seen a police officer at a Pennsylvania polling station. As a matter of fact, police officers on duty are banned from polling stations unless they are actually voting, or there is some sort of disturbance they are called in to handle. . There is typically a constable, but he or she has no arresting authority.I use officers as a general term. Could be local, could be sheriffs, just being general.
How many people live in the town that you vote? In the town where my wife works there’s 110,000 people. 55k where I live.
It doesn't matter how large the town is. It's a state law. No state police, no local police, no Sheriff's deputies. What are you guys doing up there, trying to intimidate voters and suppress the vote? And what do you have going on that you need police at every polling location in every town over 55k people. There aren't enough police in the state to put 6-8 at every polling location.
Todd. I asked a pretty simple question. How many people live in your town? I assuming public safety. Man…. All that voter fraud in your state tho huh?!? Damn…. I would have never had thought you would be ok with this.
Section 71. The presiding officer at each polling place shall enforce the performance by election officers of their duties. During an election and the counting of the ballots after the close of the polls, he shall have authority to maintain order and to enforce obedience to his lawful commands, in and about the polling place and to keep the access thereto open and unobstructed, and he may require any police officer, constable or other person to communicate his orders and directions and assist in their enforcement.
I'll post the statute when I get home. No police within 100 feet of a polling place. It doesn't matter about the size of the town.
Again, my point was going to be that we have a lot of people in our town. I don’t care if you’ve got six people and a horse in your town I was just telling you about our situation. But I understand this says discussion at the top of the thread. It usually takes two people to have a discussion unless it’s the voices in my head.
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@Vision said:
@TRayB said:
@Vision said:
@TRayB said:
@Vision said:
@TRayB said:
I have never seen a police officer at a Pennsylvania polling station. As a matter of fact, police officers on duty are banned from polling stations unless they are actually voting, or there is some sort of disturbance they are called in to handle. . There is typically a constable, but he or she has no arresting authority.I use officers as a general term. Could be local, could be sheriffs, just being general.
How many people live in the town that you vote? In the town where my wife works there’s 110,000 people. 55k where I live.
It doesn't matter how large the town is. It's a state law. No state police, no local police, no Sheriff's deputies. What are you guys doing up there, trying to intimidate voters and suppress the vote? And what do you have going on that you need police at every polling location in every town over 55k people. There aren't enough police in the state to put 6-8 at every polling location.
Todd. I asked a pretty simple question. How many people live in your town? I assuming public safety. Man…. All that voter fraud in your state tho huh?!? Damn…. I would have never had thought you would be ok with this.
Section 71. The presiding officer at each polling place shall enforce the performance by election officers of their duties. During an election and the counting of the ballots after the close of the polls, he shall have authority to maintain order and to enforce obedience to his lawful commands, in and about the polling place and to keep the access thereto open and unobstructed, and he may require any police officer, constable or other person to communicate his orders and directions and assist in their enforcement.
I'll post the statute when I get home. No police within 100 feet of a polling place. It doesn't matter about the size of the town.
Again, my point was going to be that we have a lot of people in our town. I don’t care if you’ve got six people and a horse in your town I was just telling you about our situation. But I understand this says discussion at the top of the thread. It usually takes two people to have a discussion unless it’s the voices in my head.
Well ok. I'm fairly rural, probably 400 people vote at my polling station. I don't get your point though. Philadelphia is in Pennsylvania, and they have 10s of thousands of people that go to any particular polling station, and the police are not allowed to be within 100 feet of those places either. So, what is your point? More people mean more danger, or more fraud, or more possibility of fraud? Or what?
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@TRayB said:
@Vision said:
@TRayB said:
@Vision said:
@TRayB said:
@Vision said:
@TRayB said:
I have never seen a police officer at a Pennsylvania polling station. As a matter of fact, police officers on duty are banned from polling stations unless they are actually voting, or there is some sort of disturbance they are called in to handle. . There is typically a constable, but he or she has no arresting authority.I use officers as a general term. Could be local, could be sheriffs, just being general.
How many people live in the town that you vote? In the town where my wife works there’s 110,000 people. 55k where I live.
It doesn't matter how large the town is. It's a state law. No state police, no local police, no Sheriff's deputies. What are you guys doing up there, trying to intimidate voters and suppress the vote? And what do you have going on that you need police at every polling location in every town over 55k people. There aren't enough police in the state to put 6-8 at every polling location.
Todd. I asked a pretty simple question. How many people live in your town? I assuming public safety. Man…. All that voter fraud in your state tho huh?!? Damn…. I would have never had thought you would be ok with this.
Section 71. The presiding officer at each polling place shall enforce the performance by election officers of their duties. During an election and the counting of the ballots after the close of the polls, he shall have authority to maintain order and to enforce obedience to his lawful commands, in and about the polling place and to keep the access thereto open and unobstructed, and he may require any police officer, constable or other person to communicate his orders and directions and assist in their enforcement.
I'll post the statute when I get home. No police within 100 feet of a polling place. It doesn't matter about the size of the town.
Again, my point was going to be that we have a lot of people in our town. I don’t care if you’ve got six people and a horse in your town I was just telling you about our situation. But I understand this says discussion at the top of the thread. It usually takes two people to have a discussion unless it’s the voices in my head.
Well ok. I'm fairly rural, probably 400 people vote at my polling station. I don't get your point though. Philadelphia is in Pennsylvania, and they have 10s of thousands of people that go to any particular polling station, and the police are not allowed to be within 100 feet of those places either. So, what is your point? More people mean more danger, or more fraud, or more possibility of fraud? Or what?
Are you saying you support voter fraud?
I see allot of those ? things but don’t know what to do with them!!
Edit you immediately assumed that I wanted some sort of argument. I was just asking a question so we could’ve had a conversation. I see that you’re not up for something like that. Consider this portion closed.
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@Vision said:
@CalvinAndHobo said:
Fully 100% on board with free ID's for citizens, including free driver's licenses (still have to pass the tests of course). Having an authentic ID also makes it vastly easier to get a job of some kind, and therefore contribute to society in a beneficial way. It would pay for itself multiple times over.Free means tax payer dollars. Someone has to provide the materials and make them.
That's what the second sentence was for. Free licenses means more unemployed people getting them, getting jobs, and paying taxes they wouldn't be paying otherwise. It pays for itself.
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@CalvinAndHobo said:
@Vision said:
@CalvinAndHobo said:
Fully 100% on board with free ID's for citizens, including free driver's licenses (still have to pass the tests of course). Having an authentic ID also makes it vastly easier to get a job of some kind, and therefore contribute to society in a beneficial way. It would pay for itself multiple times over.Free means tax payer dollars. Someone has to provide the materials and make them.
That's what the second sentence was for. Free licenses means more unemployed people getting them, getting jobs, and paying taxes they wouldn't be paying otherwise. It pays for itself.
Assuming the people getting the free licenses are skilled workers/laborers. If they were motivated to get such jobs, maybe they would strive for ID/license. Also presuming that there are jobs available for them to get as well.
Edit : i’m also gonna add here in Massachusetts for my son to get a job at 15. All he needs is his birth certificate and SSC as well as a permit under 18. At least I’m pretty sure of that.
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@Vision said:
@CalvinAndHobo said:
@Vision said:
@CalvinAndHobo said:
Fully 100% on board with free ID's for citizens, including free driver's licenses (still have to pass the tests of course). Having an authentic ID also makes it vastly easier to get a job of some kind, and therefore contribute to society in a beneficial way. It would pay for itself multiple times over.Free means tax payer dollars. Someone has to provide the materials and make them.
That's what the second sentence was for. Free licenses means more unemployed people getting them, getting jobs, and paying taxes they wouldn't be paying otherwise. It pays for itself.
Assuming the people getting the free licenses are skilled workers/laborers. If they were motivated to get such jobs, maybe they would strive for ID/license. Also presuming that there are jobs available for them to get as well.
The job doesn't need to be skilled. Someone getting a minimum wage unskilled job and paying a few thousand dollars in taxes (and their employer also paying taxes) would both decrease (but not eliminate) their welfare bill, and increase the revenue for the state. They'd also have a little bit more money to go buy stuff and pay sales taxes, that otherwise wouldn't have come in. That one person would pay for hundreds of licenses.
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