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One more for you. Wally Beckman coaching the Peanuts lol.
https://x.com/BBGreatMoments/status/1883908413458960581?t=K5NUex1TkD3PJReWh0Bt4A&s=19
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Don't know if any of y'all have been watching the Series. I don't always, but this year has been something to see. I've seen all of it that I could stay awake for, nodded off at the 12th inning in the 3rd game. I'm never much of a sports nut, but baseball tradition runs pretty deep in the family. At any rate, tied up at 6 games, last game tonight.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain2 -
@Amos_Umwhat its been a fun series to watch!!!!
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I'll put a forum fiver on the BlueJays if anyone wants it before game time
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You're on Pete
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Best WS ever!
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Congrats Pete, the team with the most money won again.
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It's on the way Pete, didn't get to the bottom of the cooler but hope there is something you like.
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Sorry Pete, I didn't have time to check with Ross for approval so I just sent them.
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wowwwww
https://apple.news/AkQukQCuFS3GFgwQfNCmugwIf it don’t bother me, it don’t bother me. Just leave me alone.
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Pete Rose ought to be on THAT list.
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We all know that five packs are seconds. If you ask Sherm, I only smoked turds anyways.
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The end is coming for prop betting. Sorry @CalvinAndHobo 😔 😐
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When guys making $800,000 are rigging outcomes for $1400, you'll never stop it.
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@Itsfine said:
When guys making $800,000 are rigging outcomes for $1400, you'll never stop it.Agree that you won't stop it, but it's just getting caught more now. It's always been happening and will always continue to happen, regardless of betting or prop betting being legalized or not. It is a shame they couldn't have tipped me off first though.
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@CalvinAndHobo said:
@Itsfine said:
When guys making $800,000 are rigging outcomes for $1400, you'll never stop it.Agree that you won't stop it, but it's just getting caught more now. It's always been happening and will always continue to happen, regardless of betting or prop betting being legalized or not. It is a shame they couldn't have tipped me off first though.
Understand that it's getting caught. That's a good thing! The scary thing is that someone would be willing to sacrifice 800 grand or 4.9 mil for 1,400 bucks or $7,000 or whatever.
While I appreciate the take that it has always gone on and now it's just getting caught, poor people in the Dominican Republic have never been able to take the under on miles per hour for an opening pitch in the 9th inning because street bookies were not taking that action, and they definitely weren't giving a Plus vig and allowing parlays on the same action.
That's where these online bookies are different. They are legal and accessible to every single person in the world, more or less if street guys are going to take mph action, you're right. We'll never stop it. But then I think sports end. The online guys are regulated. All it takes is one politician in the State of the Union address to complain about his brother's best friend's neighbors who lost 18 bucks on a Clase pitch prop, and the next thing you know there will be a hundred Blue ribbon panels and a senate subcommittee to investigate online gambling. That will be the beginning of the end in my opinion.
Like you said, the flip side is that the online bookies and the brick and mortars help get these guys caught. But it appears that you can only get caught after the fact. Even in this Cleveland game, the two pitchers were put on leave right after a game in which they made bets or facilitated bets. That is to say, after the game is over. That's not going to be good enough for the American public, in my opinion.
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@Itsfine said:
@CalvinAndHobo said:
@Itsfine said:
When guys making $800,000 are rigging outcomes for $1400, you'll never stop it.Agree that you won't stop it, but it's just getting caught more now. It's always been happening and will always continue to happen, regardless of betting or prop betting being legalized or not. It is a shame they couldn't have tipped me off first though.
Understand that it's getting caught. That's a good thing! The scary thing is that someone would be willing to sacrifice 800 grand or 4.9 mil for 1,400 bucks or $7,000 or whatever.
While I appreciate the take that it has always gone on and now it's just getting caught, poor people in the Dominican Republic have never been able to take the under on miles per hour for an opening pitch in the 9th inning because street bookies were not taking that action, and they definitely weren't giving a Plus vig and allowing parlays on the same action.
That's where these online bookies are different. They are legal and accessible to every single person in the world, more or less if street guys are going to take mph action, you're right. We'll never stop it. But then I think sports end. The online guys are regulated. All it takes is one politician in the State of the Union address to complain about his brother's best friend's neighbors who lost 18 bucks on a Clase pitch prop, and the next thing you know there will be a hundred Blue ribbon panels and a senate subcommittee to investigate online gambling. That will be the beginning of the end in my opinion.
Like you said, the flip side is that the online bookies and the brick and mortars help get these guys caught. But it appears that you can only get caught after the fact. Even in this Cleveland game, the two pitchers were put on leave right after a game in which they made bets or facilitated bets. That is to say, after the game is over. That's not going to be good enough for the American public, in my opinion.
Agree with almost everything you said. The only thing I disagree with is the politician aspect. There's way too much money coming in to the states via tax revenue now from the likes of Draftkings and Fanduel for a senator to successfully get things overturned and get 49 or 50 other senators to agree. That tax revenue is not just coming in, but it's coming in from the middle and lower classes, and it's voluntary which means it isn't budgeted in as "middle class tax rate" or "lower class tax rate". It's a stealthy tax that disproportionately affects lower income people, the same way that things like gasoline taxes or taxes on plastic bags do. There's going to be a lot of push back on that should a politician try to get things changed, and I have a hard time seeing how it would be successful. I'm surprised you aren't equally cynical about that haha. I mean Frank, it would help the people in this country who need it, of course it's not getting done!
A good historical example though is Europe and Asia, and match fixing in soccer over there. Betting has been legal for much longer, and match fixing or prop fixing has also been happening at a much wider scale. Nothing has changed over there, and the prop markets have expanded. The discussion about whether things SHOULD change is completely different, and if we're talking about what's good for society and not my own personal interests, then we're going to agree on a lot of it. As for what's actually going to end up happening though? I don't think hardly anything will, aside from a few PR style changes that won't actually change anything in a real way.
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@CalvinAndHobo pretty good take. Hope you're right for your sake. You made a compelling case about the voluntary poor tax, etc. The European example is poignant, as is the boxing example from the last 100 years. "Your ass goes down in the fourth. Say it." 😂
However we do have examples to go against what you said. The biggest one that comes to mind is the Port authority act in which all online gambling was effectively shut down with the stroke of a pen. Yes, there are differences between the two, primarily that online poker and slot machine sites were way smaller than DraftKings and FanDuel. Remember, this is the country that outlawed alcohol 100 years ago. Literally anything is possible. I know two senators and three congressmen who would vote for outlying online sports betting today.
The politician that I'm thinking of is a football fan and is extremely orange and is extremely obese. People seem to follow him off a cliff everyday, not realizing that he's wearing helium socks. That's the politician that could strong-arm this country into outlawing DFS sites and real-time prop bets. I know it doesn't make sense, but nothing about that guy does.
The poison pill will come when the public questions the integrity of the outcomes of the games on a large scale. We are trucking down this avenue right now, and it will become cataclysmic if and when an NFL playoff game or the super bowl in particular is somehow altered. Nfl has to be the driver for this. The other sports are not big enough.
At that point, two things happen. First, people stop watching. I don't mean all together, but ratings could significantly decrease if fans don't have confidence in the outcomes. At this point, the second thing happens, where the leagues turn against the gambling because they know it's going to kill their bottom lines. At that point the owners will compel legislation in my opinion because every owner of every major sports team is part of the elite class of the US, and we all know that the elite class makes the rules.
I absolutely think that the NFL's panic moment is going to happen, and it might happen this year. Again, hope I'm wrong, especially for your sake. But if it does, it's game on.
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@Itsfine If an NFL player does something to rig the outcome of a Super Bowl, that's definitely worst case scenario, and there's a non 0 chance it happens in the next 10 years, completely agree. The thing is, if legalized betting becomes illegal, it's still able to be done. Right now in states like California, sports betting is completely outlawed. There's also 50 different ways to bet on sports in California despite that. Someone can go make an account right now with BetOnline or Bookmaker and use Bitcoin or money orders to deposit money. You can also play poker/slots there.
There's also sports betting exchanges. Think of these like Ebay, I go and place a listing on a bet, and if someone else likes the other side of the bet, they can wager against me for a piece of it, or for all of it. Then there's Kalshi, this is a CFTC regulated prediction market where you can bet on the winner of an election, the high temperature in NYC on Tuesday, or whether a politician says the word "tariff" in a speech. You can also bet on who wins the football game on Sunday. Orange Jr. is on the board of directors there also, a nice little perk to help them stay legal and operational in all 50 states as well as tribal territories.
Should the likes of Draftkings get outlawed, there's no going back in my opinion. People will still be able to rig outcomes. Your prohibition example is perfect. Alcohol is a net negative for society as a whole, but you can't outlaw it, it just doesn't work. You can try, and maybe they do try, but I think greed wins in the end and the money continues to flow. Should it happen, my life will get more complicated, but I'll be alright, there will still be 50 different ways for me to bet, and there will be 50 different ways for stupid people to do stupid things like rig sporting outcomes. At least now they're able to catch (some) of them.
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