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Renewed Amnesty Bill Hidden Within Stimulus Package

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP1UQMd7VMw

Regardless of political affiliation, how can anyone see this as just and correct? How?!?!

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  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,634 ✭✭✭✭
    also hidden in there: Government health care, 30 million for salt marsh harvest mouse, $45 million for ATV trails, $300 million for the government to purchase a fleet of "green" cars and golf carts, $2 billion for a clean-coal power plant, $10 million for urban canals,$2 billion for manufacturing advanced batteries for hybrid cars, $255 million for a polar icebreaker and other "priority procurements" by the Coast Guard, and many more unneeded spending projects in a bill that is now 1071 pages long. How do the members of congress have time to read that let alone the american people.all of this with 62% of voters wanting more tax cuts and less spending in the bill (according to a Rasmussen poll)

    AND
    If it passes will Obama sign it within 24 hours or will he wait the 5 days he promised he would wait to sign any bill in his campaign?


    sources:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs
    http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/02/opposing-view-1.html
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/12/earmark-less-bill-gives-pelosis-mouse-cookie/
    http://www.nypost.com/seven/02112009/news/politics/congress_hopping_carts_154496.htm
    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090209/D968BMTO0.html
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/pt_survey_toplines/february_2009/toplines_stimulus_package_february_6_7_2009
    http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=43478
    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/viewarticle.cfm/special-preview-stimulus--a-history-of-folly-14953

  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,634 ✭✭✭✭
    this is sort of on topic: A Moral Note on the Paradox of Thrift

    for those who dont know, my brother has his own blog. thats a link to an article. he and i are both libertarians (he influences me more than me, him) I am a bit more on the conservative end of it, he is a bit more liberal. we end up agreeing on about 80-90% of issues.
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Posts: 7,349
    I wonder who the AHOLe was who is trying to put this in... I hope this gets fixed.
  • Bad AndyBad Andy Posts: 848
    so much for transperency, thats been his new key, no more hope and change, just fear and transperency(sp?)...no reason to be scared because you see it coming right? the amnesty is no surprise, now that the dems are in charge they will bring up all this stuff that they fought with bush on.

    BOHICA
  • Bad Andy:
    so much for transperency, thats been his new key, no more hope and change, just fear and transperency(sp?)...no reason to be scared because you see it coming right? the amnesty is no surprise, now that the dems are in charge they will bring up all this stuff that they fought with bush on.

    BOHICA
    IMO, this bill is nothing more than that, a dem "christmas list", that has very little stimulus and even less chance of being shot down, no party should have this much control of the gpvernment
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Posts: 7,349
    Bad Andy:
    so much for transperency, thats been his new key, no more hope and change, just fear and transperency(sp?)...no reason to be scared because you see it coming right? the amnesty is no surprise, now that the dems are in charge they will bring up all this stuff that they fought with bush on.

    BOHICA
    well doing some research, seems as though this is more than it seems. I'm still looking but the democrats are the ones who usually try to stop this kind of immigrations, bush and the republican's are the ones who normally want this type of stuff. when I get off work I'm going to look into this much more though..
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Posts: 4,132
    Bush and a few other Republicans have fought for amnesty before, but most republicans fight against it. The democrats are the ones that always fight for illegal imigrants rights to march right on in here and start sucking up our tax dollars. Bush was for an amnesty bill during his terms, but the other republicans shot that down. Bush has different views on this than most of the party and I believe that is in part due to the fact that he has a hispanic sister-in-law. This is a main issue I disagreed with him on.
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Posts: 7,349
    puro, democrats aren't always for immigration amnesty and less restrictions.
  • Bad AndyBad Andy Posts: 848
    phobicsquirrel:
    puro, democrats aren't always for immigration amnesty and less restrictions.
    true, not every dem is for it but the majority is, the DNC is. the reason it was shotdown before was b/c there was an uproar by constituents, we could fight it again but now that the dems have a larger majority its not going to be easy.
  • Bad AndyBad Andy Posts: 848
    phebes you sound more like a liberal leaning libertarian than a pinko-commie liberal
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,634 ✭✭✭✭
    if im not mistaken, both the left and the right were against the amnesty thing before. something that (again if i remember correctly) 70% (ish) of america was against.

    there were just a few very loud voices making a big stink about it. this is one of the few bi-partisan topics out there.
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Posts: 4,132
    phobicsquirrel:
    puro, democrats aren't always for immigration amnesty and less restrictions.
    No, they aren't and I wasn't saying all were, but illegal immigrants rights is a big thing that the majority of the Democrat party pushes. Many of them even want Illegals to have the right to vote here in our elections.
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Posts: 7,349
    hmmm, well whether it's a Dem or Rep they are all F-in nuts.
  • phobicsquirrel:
    hmmm, well whether it's a Dem or Rep they are all F-in nuts.
    Here here!
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Posts: 4,132
    phobicsquirrel:
    hmmm, well whether it's a Dem or Rep they are all F-in nuts.
    AMEN!!!
  • dutyjedutyje Posts: 2,263
    rwheelwright:
    phobicsquirrel:
    hmmm, well whether it's a Dem or Rep they are all F-in nuts.
    Here here!
    where?
  • phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Posts: 7,349
    okay so it seems that harry reed introduced this, and it's not attached to the stimulus bill, in fact it hasn't even hit committee yet. and harry reed is a real dumbass so there's no surprise to this. I doubt it will pass or even get very far especially in the current form.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,634 ✭✭✭✭
    iduno... never put it past a politician who isnt up for re-election for a few years to do something as dumb as this.
  • phobicsquirrel:
    okay so it seems that harry reed introduced this, and it's not attached to the stimulus bill, in fact it hasn't even hit committee yet. and harry reed is a real dumbass so there's no surprise to this. I doubt it will pass or even get very far especially in the current form.
    The thing I don't get, regardless if they're left, middle, or right, why on God's green Earth would anyone think this would be good for our nation???? Unbelievable.

    Now, let's forget about the fact that it's ILLEGAL for now, and think about the cost to the tax payers....

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles /2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles /2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com /TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com /TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01 .html

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com /TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01 .html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com /TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01 .html

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &social services by the American taxpayers. Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIP TS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com /TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01 .html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US . Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com /TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01 .html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border; also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstit ute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75 /niht.htm

    14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .' Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html



    You add that up, that's more than the cost of the Iraqi war per year.
  • gmill880gmill880 Posts: 5,947

    jlzimmerman:
    phobicsquirrel:
    okay so it seems that harry reed introduced this, and it's not attached to the stimulus bill, in fact it hasn't even hit committee yet. and harry reed is a real dumbass so there's no surprise to this. I doubt it will pass or even get very far especially in the current form.
    The thing I don't get, regardless if they're left, middle, or right, why on God's green Earth would anyone think this would be good for our nation???? Unbelievable.

    Now, let's forget about the fact that it's ILLEGAL for now, and think about the cost to the tax payers....

    1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments. Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77

    2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles /2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles /2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com /TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html

    5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com /TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01 .html

    6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com /TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01 .html

    7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com /TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01 .html

    8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &social services by the American taxpayers. Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIP TS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

    9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com /TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01 .html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US . Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com /TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01 .html

    11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border; also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.' Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstit ute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

    13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75 /niht.htm

    14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .' Verify at: http://www.drdsk.com/articles.html



    You add that up, that's more than the cost of the Iraqi war per year.

    mind boggeling

  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,634 ✭✭✭✭
    I thought that Obama would have the "carter" moment... just not this soon.
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