Here we go ... again!
phobicsquirrel
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/27/democrats-republicans-hint-at-shutdown-before-budget-talks-involving-obamacare/
Should be routine, but again a shut down looms because, the gop want to play games once again. Why is it when the gop runs the house they love their little investigations into nothing and love trying to shut down the govt. Is this budget ever going to be passed!? Already though, they wasted how many millions trying to kill the ACA? Well at least 38 times ... I'm sure more times will follow. And surprisingly no job bills.
Should be routine, but again a shut down looms because, the gop want to play games once again. Why is it when the gop runs the house they love their little investigations into nothing and love trying to shut down the govt. Is this budget ever going to be passed!? Already though, they wasted how many millions trying to kill the ACA? Well at least 38 times ... I'm sure more times will follow. And surprisingly no job bills.
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http://townhall.com/tipsheet/carolplattliebau/2013/07/26/obama-administration-considering-government-shutdown-n1650158
2) Jobs are not created by bills.
Leave off the republicans versus democrats theme. It's not republicans versus democrats. It's government versus people.
1): Yes, the Congress did pass budgets for every fiscal year during the first two years of the Obama administration. They might not have been balanced budgets, but they were passed. "Squander" is up to interpretation. I believe that while the stimulus didn't create nearly as many jobs as promised, it certainly saved hundreds of thousands of jobs from being lost. the biggest proof of this is the hundreds of thousands of state and federal workers who lost their jobs as soon as the stimulus ended. In fact, more federal and state jobs have been shed during the Obama administration than in nearly every other administration in recent times. And the Obama administration has more unfilled federal executive positions than any administration in recent history. If you're a fan of shrinking government, it's certainly happened. And those jobs are not likely to come back.
2) Yes, jobs are created by bills. The New Deal programs created millions of jobs for workers for whom there were no other opportunities, and its results--electrification in rural areas, new roads, highways and bridges, etc.--brought much of rural America into the 20th century. More recently, the creation of the Department of Homeland Security created thousands of new jobs for TSA drones and NSA eavesdroppers devoted to restricting your liberty and invading your privacy.
Actually it is Dems' vs GOP. I didn't do that, they did. Democrats by and large are trying to the economy stronger while the GOP tries to cut everything and keep giving huge tax breaks to the super wealthy. Just recently the GOP started making waves about wanting to cut ACA funding and other social programs because of the deficit. Though our deficit is washing away as recent reports suggest. They have done this ever since Obama took office. It's pathetic. Really the only thing the two parties can agree on and pass are war funding and spy programs.
they do not create wealth. wealth is the cure for a poor society.
I guess one could say a bill isn't going to make a person wealthy (well maybe if the person or persons making it benefit directly from it ... which has happened) however many people that push for laws do get wealthy by it because they bought it. Bills can go both ways though.
Already it has saved several states a lot of money http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/healthcare/news/2013/03/25/57946/only-3-years-old-the-affordable-care-act-is-already-having-a-big-impact/ and http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/health/health-plan-cost-for-new-yorkers-set-to-fall-50.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
The millions of dollars the koch brothers and american's for prosperity are spending to mislead people on the ACA may work in the southern states but even though the exchanges still haven't hit and many more changes won't be hitting till a bit later people are all ready seeing changes for the better. Though really the law doesn't go far enough the ACA will push many states to go further and do their own single payer. Oregon, Vermont, California, and others are and have been pushing the govt to allow them to do it.
I don't know where you are hearing about how the dems are trying to force a shut down. Even though the GOP hasn't said they wanted to shut the govt down either .. yet, they have been saying that want to cut the big 3 and keep the sequestration cuts. They already caused the downgrade of our credit rating. I don't see how this is so hard to figure out. Sure the dems aren't IMO doing all that great and many of them should be booted but the GOP is and has done far worse.
Democrat USA can have the East Coast and the West coast
Democrat USA can have Nancy P and Harry R
Democrat USA can use all the solar and wind they want (just dont go killin birds with them windmills)
Democrat USA can have all the gays and mexicans
Democrat USA can have the mosques
Democrat USA can tax and spend all they want (works well in CA)
Repubs USA can have the heartland (ie farms)
Rebubs USA can have the oil and coal (and real power)
Repubs USA can have the old farts to run the country
Repubs USA can have the Military
Repubs USA can have the straight folk
Repubs USA can have their guns and ammo
Repubs USA can have industry and a proper economy
(one more)
Rebubs USA can spank their kids when they are bad
(wow this one just might get me in trouble)
Interesting that you could fence the states in but can't fence the boarders.
Instead of Truman's posted notice "The Buck Stops Here" We seem to have Obama's "See no Evil""
Was it or was it not passed in haste without debate in the face of public opposition by parliamentary trickery and in ignorance of it's contents? Just answer me that.
If it deserves repeal now that we have discovered what those contents are, then it deserves repeal, period, however many attempts it may take to get the job done.
The VA gets medicine much cheaper than anything else in this country, why? Well the VA has the power to negotiate prices unlike Medicare part D (private medicare), even they have more power than the regular medicare plans. Why is that? Well for one the for-private insurance companies don't control it. I find it very funny how we are the only nation that pays so much more for health care and yet we have less people and millions that don't have it or denied it. Not to mention how they have us all by the balls on what we can get. I use the VA and my wife has to use our insurance and it is a pain in the ass. up until recently she has been suffering horribly due to her allergies and asthma, but luckily just this year we have been able to get her on shots. So instead of the 15000 for them, we only have to pay a little over 100 dollars every 2 months now. I have been waiting years to hear about her getting denied because of a pre-existing condition but now the ACA blocks that. I think the ACA needs fixed but to abolish it would be stupid. Funny how so many of the GOP want that. But I'm the one making stuff up.
1. If our health care is so terrible (Dysfunctional is your word) compared to the rest of the world, then why does everyone from far away fly to the US for treatment?
2. If the government is so good at health care and medicare is so good, why is it that my MIL cannot find any ANY doctor that will take her medicare? Great price because no one will treat her. Oh yeah, this is not in some out of the way area...... just the fourth largest city in the US. And NO this is not an isolated case. Your reference to 'several states' with lower rates due to Obamacare, now that is the isolated case.
* Annual family income: $21,700
* Money the family spent: $38,200
* New debt on the credit card: $16,500
* Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710
Would you say they are broke?
Lets just add 8 zeros......
* U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
* Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
* New debt: $ 1,650,000,000,000
* National debt: $14,271,000,000,000
These were the US stats in 2011... in 2012 we did a little better.... tax revenue was $2.45 trillion but oops the debt went over $16 trillion. Broke ? You tell me . Is that family doing well or are they broke?