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GOP got their shutdown finally. The spin machine begins!
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    Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If Ted Cruz wanted to shut something down "for the good of the country" , he should have started with his mouth.
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    webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    phobicsquirrel:
    GOP got their shutdown finally. The spin machine begins!
    The spin machine began when you said "their".

    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
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    stephen_hannibalstephen_hannibal Posts: 4,317 ✭
    webmost:
    phobicsquirrel:
    GOP got their shutdown finally. The spin machine begins!
    The spin machine began when you said "their".

    I feel bad for the families that can't put food on the table.
    As for the a government and the politicians. F**k them all.

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    jgkaminjgkamin Posts: 110 ✭✭
    Worse yet is being deemed essential and going into work with no promise of pay for the work performed until the settlement comes. Additionally, all sick and annual leave is cancelled, so a family vacation bought and paid for long ago may be money flushed down the toilet. I remember the last time (1995-96) we were handed letters that we were to show our creditors as to why we were unable to pay our bills. Needless to say they weren't worth the paper they were printed on. Yeah I know, we should all millions stashed away in a rainy day fund but years of having a pay freeze despite expenses climbing rapidly means many live paycheck to paycheck. It's going to get interesting as this gets drug out.
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    Ken_LightKen_Light Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭
    The question is: do we have to let them start back up? I say no. I don't understand this administration, it's the weakest thing I've ever seen. Reagan didn't even let the AIRLINES strike because it would be too bad for the country. The effing AIRLINES. Obama let's the government strike? Screw that, they're all fired, massive election season starts NOW. Or not. Chaos. Dethrone the moron. I'm down.
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    jgkaminjgkamin Posts: 110 ✭✭
    Ironically, the last time it happened Bill Clinton was in office, and the shutdown meant that there were less staffed employees around the White House, but unpaid interns such as Monica Lewinsky still showed up and with less staffers they were able to sneak around easier.
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    stephen_hannibalstephen_hannibal Posts: 4,317 ✭
    Ken Light:
    The question is: do we have to let them start back up? I say no. I don't understand this administration, it's the weakest thing I've ever seen. Reagan didn't even let the AIRLINES strike because it would be too bad for the country. The effing AIRLINES. Obama let's the government strike? Screw that, they're all fired, massive election season starts NOW. Or not. Chaos. Dethrone the moron. I'm down.
    Ken speaks truth.

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    curtpickcurtpick Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭
    Wondeful thing how the liberals are all hypocrites. The dont even hear themselves talk, rather than listen to anyone else. Like not hearing most the damned nation.
    Blaming this on the GOP is not only wrong but at best uninformed. Obama "I will not negotiate", Reed "Lets make this clear these people are anarchist". Nancy Poelosey "We will not know whats in this bill until we open it and read so we have to pass it". What kind of administration does exactly the opposite of what people want ? Obama and gang will go down in history as the most hurtful to the economy and most hateful to anyone who disagrees with them. The guys a friggin Chicago croney owned by the unions. *** they wont even take their own healthcare ! They made sure they had a waiver. How blind are people anymore ? How deaf are we ? Stop listening to the press and just do your own investigation and fact finding. Do you not remember the DEMS had the House and Senate and WOULD NOT PASS A BUDGET !!
    I say Throw his ass under a bus and just keep backing up and rolling forward ! He and his gang are worthless.
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    curtpickcurtpick Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭
    Amos Umwhat:
    If Ted Cruz wanted to shut something down "for the good of the country" , he should have started with his mouth.

    Got your attention didnt he ! No matter if you agree with him or not. He has the right to speak and back his constituents. Funny DEMS and Liberals bark civil rights but when free speech comes into play , and they dont like what they are hearing then people become "Anarchist" according to the Dweebs running the Senate.
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    jgibvjgibv Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭✭✭
    stephen_hannibal:
    Ken Light:
    The question is: do we have to let them start back up? I say no. I don't understand this administration, it's the weakest thing I've ever seen. Reagan didn't even let the AIRLINES strike because it would be too bad for the country. The effing AIRLINES. Obama let's the government strike? Screw that, they're all fired, massive election season starts NOW. Or not. Chaos. Dethrone the moron. I'm down.
    Ken speaks truth.

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    webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The House has sent twelve appropriations bills to the Senate this year. Harry Reid has not allowed a one of them to even come to a vote.

    Gridlock must be Bush's fault.

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    kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭
    webmost:
    phobicsquirrel:
    GOP got their shutdown finally. The spin machine begins!
    The spin machine began when you said "their".

    agreed.

    if only obama hadnt said that he Wont compromise...
    I mean, IF obama would have compromised in any way shape or form then the GOP would not have "got their shutdown"

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    raisindotraisindot Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭
    Ken Light:
    The question is: do we have to let them start back up? I say no. I don't understand this administration, it's the weakest thing I've ever seen. Reagan didn't even let the AIRLINES strike because it would be too bad for the country. The effing AIRLINES. Obama let's the government strike? Screw that, they're all fired, massive election season starts NOW. Or not. Chaos. Dethrone the moron. I'm down.
    Excuse me, but when in the history of America has a shutdown of a corporation or government by politicians or senior management even been called a strike? There's not a single government employee who is on strike here. This is a completely different situation than the Reagan air controller's situation--those people did want to go on strike, and Reagan got rid of them.

    Make no mistake about it--the shutdown of the government is completely blamable on the Republicans. They held the government hostage on yet another useless and fruitless attempt to gut Obamacare. It hasn't worked the 40 other times they tried it and it won't work now. Obama is under no obligation at all to resolve this impasse and shouldn't. You don't negotiate with kidnappers.
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    curtpickcurtpick Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭
    raisindot:
    Ken Light:
    The question is: do we have to let them start back up? I say no. I don't understand this administration, it's the weakest thing I've ever seen. Reagan didn't even let the AIRLINES strike because it would be too bad for the country. The effing AIRLINES. Obama let's the government strike? Screw that, they're all fired, massive election season starts NOW. Or not. Chaos. Dethrone the moron. I'm down.
    Excuse me, but when in the history of America has a shutdown of a corporation or government by politicians or senior management even been called a strike? There's not a single government employee who is on strike here. This is a completely different situation than the Reagan air controller's situation--those people did want to go on strike, and Reagan got rid of them.

    Make no mistake about it--the shutdown of the government is completely blamable on the Republicans. They held the government hostage on yet another useless and fruitless attempt to gut Obamacare. It hasn't worked the 40 other times they tried it and it won't work now. Obama is under no obligation at all to resolve this impasse and shouldn't. You don't negotiate with kidnappers.

    Ya kidnappers thats the ticket . My point made. Thank you! This type of speak is worthless.
    Let me ask you if the goverment says you must buy this or else we will fine you whether that be healthcare or anything else would you do it ? Of course you would .... no need to answer really.
    Where does it stop ? They now control when , where, and who you get your care ( or not ) from.
    Soon it will be limiting the amount of children... then..... what else ??
    Blind ? I think so !
    When ever has the Government done anything that has worked for YOU ! Not them... for YOU ! Wake up !
    I guess as long as you get all the entitlements YOU deserve to hell with those of us who pay our bills and work for a living. No sense in making people do something eh ?
    If You guys have your way our nation will no longer be as we know it.
    He ran up more debt than all Presidents combined !
    Thats your idea of a good plan ? Really, get your facts straight. Why the shutdown in the 90's???? BECAUSE CONGRESS WANTED A FRIGGIN RAISE !!! Ya blame that on the GOP. We are Baaad people... anarchist.... loudmouths... kidnappers !!! GET Frigging REAL ! And if you dont have your facts straight then please.... The government has no business in MY business !
    Impeach him and all of them. REPS and DEMS Alike and put real people in there.
    People who actually WORK for a living. Not those who want handouts for everything ! Our country needs a lot of work. Roads , infrastructure are all going to pot.So those who want freebies put them to work !
    If you want entitlements goto Greece !!! That worked out really well !
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    kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,633 ✭✭✭✭
    raisindot:
    Make no mistake about it--the shutdown of the government is completely blamable on the Republicans.
    even though zero people on the democrat side made any effort to compromise. thats cool though. only republicans need to compromise. democrats get to stand for what they believe in.

    raisindot:
    They held the government hostage on yet another useless and fruitless attempt to gut Obamacare. It hasn't worked the 40 other times they tried it and it won't work now.
    its not "useless"
    like it or not, but a MAJOR portion of the country (a bit over 50%) do not support the AFA as it stands.
    so, who is holding who hostage here? sounds like the Government is holding the people hostage.
    apparently the kidnapper wont negotiate with their captives. but that is never news, thats just how it works.
    raisindot:
    Obama is under no obligation at all to resolve this impasse and shouldn't. You don't negotiate with kidnappers.
    but he does negotiate with Iran, a country that supports destroying the US?

    man... the republicans arent looking to destroy the US. they are looking to build the country the way that they think will help it the most. interestingly enough, thats the same thing the democrats are doing. but somehow debate, compromise, and resolution are not on the democrats plate because they "shouldnt negotiate with kidnappers."

    how sadly partisan. the republicans are just asking for negotiations.
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    raisindotraisindot Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭
    Too much to requote, so will do it separately. 1. The issue of the government funding and shutdown is completely independent of Obamacare. If the Republicans had wanted to tie government funding to more of their budget cutting rhetoric than they'd have a more legitimate argument--that to keep the govt running there would have to be more across the board cuts. Instead, they're making this a one-issue hostage crusade because they've totally failed every other attempt to gut it.

    I'd be just as mad at the Democrats if they held government funding hostage by connecting it to the passage of gun control legislation, restoration of food stamps, preservation of access to abortion, or other issues on their legislative docket.

    2. The people had their chance to overthrow Obama and Obamacare in 2012. They failed. Obama won by 3% of the popular vote--more than Bush won over Kerry and more than Gore over Bush--and Democrats GAINED seats in both houses. So there's certainly no overwhelming mandate to gut Obamacare. And, in fact, thousands of Americans are benefiting with the provisions already in place, including me, who can keep my son on our insurance until he is 26, and my wife, who can't be denied health insurance because she had cancer (now cured). We're saving thousands of dollars in extra health care premium because of Obamacare.

    3. I don't quite understand how negotiating with Iran (an international, diplomatic initiative that even I don't agree with) is comparable at all with negotiating with Congress. The shutdown is not Obama's fault--it's the Republicans. What's happening is exactly what the Founding Fathers intended--that the funding of government would be in the hands of Congress, and the running of government would be in the executive branch. That's what checks and balances are all about. It's why Obama can't get anything done in this worst-of-all-time Congress. Why should Obama cave in to the Republicans' demands when they've failed every other attempt to gut Obamacare?

    If the Republicans want to continue their crusade to gut Obamacare, let them continue to waste taxpayers' money by continuing to pass bill after bill gutting it that will go nowhere. But do this outside the government funding process.
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    curtpickcurtpick Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭
    raisindot:
    Too much to requote, so will do it separately. 1. The issue of the government funding and shutdown is completely independent of Obamacare. If the Republicans had wanted to tie government funding to more of their budget cutting rhetoric than they'd have a more legitimate argument--that to keep the govt running there would have to be more across the board cuts. Instead, they're making this a one-issue hostage crusade because they've totally failed every other attempt to gut it.

    I'd be just as mad at the Democrats if they held government funding hostage by connecting it to the passage of gun control legislation, restoration of food stamps, preservation of access to abortion, or other issues on their legislative docket.

    2. The people had their chance to overthrow Obama and Obamacare in 2012. They failed. Obama won by 3% of the popular vote--more than Bush won over Kerry and more than Gore over Bush--and Democrats GAINED seats in both houses. So there's certainly no overwhelming mandate to gut Obamacare. And, in fact, thousands of Americans are benefiting with the provisions already in place, including me, who can keep my son on our insurance until he is 26, and my wife, who can't be denied health insurance because she had cancer (now cured). We're saving thousands of dollars in extra health care premium because of Obamacare.

    3. I don't quite understand how negotiating with Iran (an international, diplomatic initiative that even I don't agree with) is comparable at all with negotiating with Congress. The shutdown is not Obama's fault--it's the Republicans. What's happening is exactly what the Founding Fathers intended--that the funding of government would be in the hands of Congress, and the running of government would be in the executive branch. That's what checks and balances are all about. It's why Obama can't get anything done in this worst-of-all-time Congress. Why should Obama cave in to the Republicans' demands when they've failed every other attempt to gut Obamacare?

    If the Republicans want to continue their crusade to gut Obamacare, let them continue to waste taxpayers' money by continuing to pass bill after bill gutting it that will go nowhere. But do this outside the government funding process.

    Obamacare will be the most expensive "entitlement" in history. So YES it does have to do with Obamacare.
    Simply put we CAN NOT. WILL NOT. Be able to afford it. You can reason it out any way you like. Whos paying for it and how ?

    The point on Iran is that he can talk to ruthless radicals that want to destroy anything that they don't believe in "sound familiar" and not even negotiate with his own people !

    Some of those people voted for him ! More than you could ever know !

    Wasting taxpayers money ? Well hold on to your britches baby. Soon enough you find out NOTHING IS FREE !

    Listen. My wife and bro inlaw work for the government and both know how things are ran ! More bullshit than you could even imagine. So keep backing the government. Thats your prerogative.
    All worthless as it is now. Until we are flat broke, and become Greece and a lot of other socialist nations, you and your kind wont be happy. Im done with it. Because its like talking to a blank wall.
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    pelirrojopelirrojo Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭
    ACA is a law. It's not a bill any more. It was upheld by the Supreme Court. There are currently the equivalent of 800,000 to 1,000,000 full time federal employees being furloughed. In the meantime, Congress is drawing a paycheck as is the President. Lots of people need and want to go to work this week but can't while politicians twiddle their thumbs and accomplish nothing. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. If you want it overturned go out and vote more conservatives into office until you have a majority. Then maybe they'll do something about it without needlessly suspending valuable services for the very people that voted them into office in the first place.
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    y2pascoey2pascoe Posts: 1,727 ✭✭
    I went into work this morning (Navy medicine IT dept) for two hours and was issued my furlough letter two hours later. I'm sitting in garage now having a beer and smoking a Diesel Unlimited. To say leadership at my command was unprepared for this would be an understatement. Can't say I blame them that much, because they're not getting squat from their hire ups. Right now they have E4 hospital corpsman filing in for civilian positions that have no training on how to do. They told us to pay attention to the news for updates. No, that's not a joke. Yup. Good times. Fire the both executive & legislative branches IMO. They've all failed us.
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    beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133 ✭
    The sad part is that Obama will cut and furlough those that will hurt the most. Its just his nature. He will now punish the American people to get back at the GOP. Small man.
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    Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    curtpick:
    Amos Umwhat:
    If Ted Cruz wanted to shut something down "for the good of the country" , he should have started with his mouth.

    Got your attention didnt he ! No matter if you agree with him or not. He has the right to speak and back his constituents. Funny DEMS and Liberals bark civil rights but when free speech comes into play , and they dont like what they are hearing then people become "Anarchist" according to the Dweebs running the Senate.
    He could have gotten my attention, and support, by doing something to really make smaller government, save money, and lives, and filibustered to bring home our troops, de-funding the Patriot act, disbanding the Dept of Homeland Insecurity, get the hell out of everyone elses business, and quit arming the thugs of the world. But those goals aren't worthy of conservative values. Christian values? Yes, they would be worthy of Christian values, but not of Americas Radical Right.
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    MartelMartel Posts: 3,306 ✭✭✭✭
    Shutdown sucks! I work for a nonprofit; most of my job is funded by a grant from the state of TN (about 75% of my pay; for some of my coworkers, it's 100%). Turns out, our particular grant through the department of labor and workforce development is funded 75% by federal funds. We have one week of grace period and I can't pay my bills. Pass a budget to pay status quo needs until the next crisis looming in a couple of months and keep working on a long-term solution until then. Our program is statistically shown to save the government money by reducing recidivism and lowering unemployment and reliance on welfare. Get with it Washington.
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    BigshizzaBigshizza Posts: 15,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    raisindot:
    Ken Light:
    The question is: do we have to let them start back up? I say no. I don't understand this administration, it's the weakest thing I've ever seen. Reagan didn't even let the AIRLINES strike because it would be too bad for the country. The effing AIRLINES. Obama let's the government strike? Screw that, they're all fired, massive election season starts NOW. Or not. Chaos. Dethrone the moron. I'm down.
    Excuse me, but when in the history of America has a shutdown of a corporation or government by politicians or senior management even been called a strike? There's not a single government employee who is on strike here. This is a completely different situation than the Reagan air controller's situation--those people did want to go on strike, and Reagan got rid of them.

    Make no mistake about it--the shutdown of the government is completely blamable on the Republicans. They held the government hostage on yet another useless and fruitless attempt to gut Obamacare. It hasn't worked the 40 other times they tried it and it won't work now. Obama is under no obligation at all to resolve this impasse and shouldn't. You don't negotiate with kidnappers.
    ^^^^ this cause it seems the spin up until this point has worked to confuse the public..
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    pelirrojopelirrojo Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭
    I think Jon Stewart summed it up pretty well last night.
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    prosspross Posts: 874 ✭✭✭
    Anybody who votes for any incumbent in any election, Democrat or Republican deserves what they get. Once job security is a distant memory for these a**holes, the new crop of legislators may decide to do things differently.

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    Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    pross:
    Anybody who votes for any incumbent in any election, Democrat or Republican deserves what they get. Once job security is a distant memory for these a**holes, the new crop of legislators may decide to do things differently.

    Well, I have to say I'm with you there, I'm tired of the whole lot of them.
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    phobicsquirrelphobicsquirrel Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭
    kuzi16:
    webmost:
    phobicsquirrel:
    GOP got their shutdown finally. The spin machine begins!
    The spin machine began when you said "their".

    agreed.

    if only obama hadnt said that he Wont compromise...
    I mean, IF obama would have compromised in any way shape or form then the GOP would not have "got their shutdown"

    figured all of this would go this way here. I guess the gop does no wrong. umm, they were given a chance months ago to pass a clean bill for money that was already spent from this congress. why would obama deal with these people? they want to defund a law and keep people from getting healthcare and say that if they don't get that they will not fund the govt? yeah obama is the horrible dictator.
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    VulchorVulchor Posts: 4,848 ✭✭✭✭
    As pelir said.......this is all over a LAW. One that was passed and given a thumbs up by Supreme Court------whats the issue again.
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    beatnicbeatnic Posts: 4,133 ✭
    Vulchor:
    As pelir said.......this is all over a LAW. One that was passed and given a thumbs up by Supreme Court------whats the issue again.
    Hello? Anybody there? Dave, this administration and most of the Dems would just as soon make the entire bill of rights illegal. These are laws also. 2nd amendment is established law. I can carry any frickin gun I want anywhere I want to. Immigration? Illegal alines all over our country and our administration won't prosecute? They break the law on a daily basis. I don't her you objecting with capital letters. And you better pray real hard that he they don't tick the American people off enough that we end up with a GOP House, Senate and Presidency. Then it won't be a LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭✭✭
    beatnic:
    Vulchor:
    As pelir said.......this is all over a LAW. One that was passed and given a thumbs up by Supreme Court------whats the issue again.
    Hello? Anybody there? Dave, this administration and most of the Dems would just as soon make the entire bill of rights illegal. These are laws also. 2nd amendment is established law. I can carry any frickin gun I want anywhere I want to. Immigration? Illegal alines all over our country and our administration won't prosecute? They break the law on a daily basis. I don't her you objecting with capital letters. And you better pray real hard that he they don't tick the American people off enough that we end up with a GOP House, Senate and Presidency. Then it won't be a LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Let's not forget the Republicans attitudes toward the 4th and 5th amendments, ie: their historical positions on search and seizure, mandatory drug tests, supporting corporate "rights" to control their employees activities during their off hours, whether it affects their job performance or not. Then, roll back to the '60s for a sec, GHW Bush's stance on integration of the schools, Ted Cruz's hero, Jesse Helms and his unapolegetic position on continuing the racist policies of the previous hundred years or so.

    Not defending the Democrats, because a lot of what you've said is true, but the Republicans are damn sure not any better when it comes to upholding the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
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