Question for the Gun people
brianetz1
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Ok I am admittedly not a gun guy. I don't see the need for 75% of the population to have anything more than a couple of different hunting riffles and personally feel handguns, assault rifles, and shotguns cause more harm than good, BUT i am all good if you don't agree with me and totally respect that view on things. I just don't have that view.
a question came up on the radio on the way in to work that made me want to ask this place because i assume that 90% of you disagree with the above statement:
Why would a regular everyday person have an unlicensed gun?
what brought this up is that Ray Felton of the NY Knicks is facing YEARS in prison because he was found in possession of an unlicensed firearm in NY. Why would a NBA player who makes millions be in possession of an unlicensed firearm? Is there a benefit to having an unlicensed firearm other than if you use it, it can't be traced back to you?
a question came up on the radio on the way in to work that made me want to ask this place because i assume that 90% of you disagree with the above statement:
Why would a regular everyday person have an unlicensed gun?
what brought this up is that Ray Felton of the NY Knicks is facing YEARS in prison because he was found in possession of an unlicensed firearm in NY. Why would a NBA player who makes millions be in possession of an unlicensed firearm? Is there a benefit to having an unlicensed firearm other than if you use it, it can't be traced back to you?
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which again, makes no sense to me.
isn't it against the 2nd amendment for authorities to confiscate legal weapons?
Now if you want to talk person to person sales. As long as both the seller and the buyer are residents of the state of KY, the most that is needed is a bill of sale and it isn't a requirement. Just a insurance for both parties in case the firearm wasis used in a crime.
Only firearms that I know of that require a form of registration are the Full auto, destructive weapons like grenades and rockets, and Short Barrel RifleShotguns.
Now let's say you live in NY or one of those places with "crazy" gun laws that make you register your gun and you buy person to person where you don't have to fill out that paperwork, but you still have to license your gun. Why would you not register it?
Stated like NY that have very crazy gun laws like they do the only reason I know of to not follow the laws could be a few things like, Ignorance of the laws, they are up to something shady, or even they think they are above the law (my vote is this).
Every gun I own has been handed down to me by someone in my family, with exception of one.
The one purchased, was registered when it was purchased, but no idea if it's licensed.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
This pretty much describes me too and many of the gun owners I know. When a non gun person says "why do you need so many" I can only point at my dad & grandad who gave me most of the rifles I own. I have purchased a deer rifle for my own use & caliber preference. I don't own handguns or semi-autos. Most of my gun purchases have been air rifles because I enjoy shooting and can get a lot of trigger time in my back yard with them.
I know several people who have never owned a gun, nor handled a gun.
When I was younger, hunting was a necessity for food.
It wasn't a sport or something we did for fun. We just did.
Everyone we knew had guns. We reloaded our own to save money.
A deer or elk would put food on the table for an entire year, if butchered properly.
Add ducks to that mix and you could eat pretty well.
I no longer hunt. Not because I didn't enjoy it, but because I no longer need that food source as bad.
Should I need deer or elk meat, there are plenty of folk who will provide it to me.
I still have my guns, because they were handed down to me and the thought of someone else owning them bothers me.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
I have many guns, 32 at last count. Some are registered to me and some are not. There s a difference between registered and licensed depending on the state/locale you live in. Where I live guns are not required to be licensed but all guns are required to be registered to you via the federal system(DROS/Transfer)
That being said, all but 15 of my guns are registered to me(and I have some reservations about going public about this on an open forum). In my opinion the only reason to register anything(cars, boats, firearms, ATVs etc...) is so that the government can either A.) Tax them, B.) regulate them or C.) Confiscate them. There have been publicly documented instances in American history, as recent as hurricane Katrina and as far back as WW2 that the government (state and local) have forcibly disarmed the general public. This is contrary to the Second Amendment. I'll go so far as to say some of my unregistered firearms are not within the confines of my immediate property. Because of that, I will never be completely disarmed. Now, I am a law abiding tax paying citizen with no felony or misdemeanors on record and actually hold a Mid level clearance with the government. In my opinion, it is my right to be able to defend myself and my family without interference from any level of government.
Ill caveat this with the fact that I am a hobby reloader and compete in USPSA and local bench rest long range competitions so guns for me are both hobby and sport. Am I a prepper? Depends on how you define that. After living in MD in the midst of ice storms and frequent grid shut downs, I am adequaey prepared for most simar scenarios. But getting back to the original question, registering or not registering is a matter of intent thereof. Some don't register with sinister intent, others with valid what I believe valid reasoning.
again I look forward to thoughtful debate without resorting to name calling and political pigeon holing.
I guess that depends on how you interpret the second amendment. The way I interpret it, yes, it is against the 2nd amendment to confiscate legal weapons. However, the definition of legal not only varies state-to-state, but it can also change. Let's say my state, Texas, passes a law banning all firearms with magazine capacity higher than 5. At that point, they could confiscate my weapons.
Look at California, where they are constantly dropping handguns off their approved list. There are even many revolvers that are not on the approved handgun list there. You could purchase a handgun there today, and a few months down the road they drop it off the list. When they do that, your handgun is no longer legal, and therefore subject to confiscation. On top of that, they just recently passed a law prohibiting the sale of semi automatic handguns that do not include the microstamping (the pistol stamps its make, model, and serial number on the casing as it fires) feature. I believe that currently citizens who already own non-microstamping pistols are grandfathered in, but that is as easy as a bill passing in state legislature to revoke.
http://www.nyfirearms.com/blog/nys-gun-laws/
Very nice...
YEP...The people who are against the private ownership of firearms are usually the biggest hypocrites.