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  • RainRain Posts: 8,958 ✭✭✭
    Sounds like a Doc I'd like to work for.
  • webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You miss the point of requiring the note.

    I work for a company which strives to control the unemployment compensation tax rate which the employer pays. We run into this problem all the time when dealing with unemployment claims. An employee may have a long history of excessive absences, replete with warnings and idiotic excuses. The employer frequently adopts a points system to demonstrate that their attendance policy is impartially applied. Let's say an employee finally exceeds the patience or points system of the employer and gets fired. The ex-employee files a claim for unemployment. The state asks the employer what happened. The employer says "We fired Joe 3/3/03 for poor attendance." Everything hinges on the final incident. "Why did they fire you?" the state asks the claimant. All the claimant has to do is say "I was out sick with a cold." It is always assumed that the claimant is truthful and the employer is lying. That's the basic assumption at the basis of the whole system. Whatever altruistic motives are behind unemployment regulations, in practice, it works like this: Liars get paid. That's why the employer has adopted a policy which says "Each time you are sick, you must prove it; or else your absence will accrue points as unexcused." No note? A point. X many points? You are fired.

    Unemployment here in the states is paid for by a tax on the employer. It is the fourth largest tax burden placed on business. This is a sliding tax rate, based on benefits paid against the employer's account. These benefits are then multiplied by what are called "social cost factors". For every buch a claimant gets in Pennsylvania, for instance, it costs the business a buck fifty three. So every claim paid becomes an expense to the employer, harming his competitive advantage by increasing his cost.

    Asking for a doctor's note for a simple cold is not folly on the part of the employer. It is folly derived from the anti-business tenor of government regulation.

    The doctor is wrong.

    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • RainRain Posts: 8,958 ✭✭✭
    So you have to bring your communicable illness to a place where other people are sick and have weakened immune systems to get a doc to write a note saying he can't test for the illness but believes you? Lame. Spend your sick day at a clinic, not recovering.
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,899 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had to call in sick, my parakeet has chirpees!
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  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have ya seen this "Hands up - Don't Shoot" story?

    Click here

    This one'll stay buried....
  • webmostwebmost Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rain:
    So you have to bring your communicable illness to a place where other people are sick and have weakened immune systems to get a doc to write a note saying he can't test for the illness but believes you? Lame. Spend your sick day at a clinic, not recovering.
    I absolutely agree it's stupid. I only say that government regulations screw us into this and many other stupidities every day in every way. The real cost of government is not the 40% of GDP they admit to spending. It's that, plus the manifold costs of compliance.

    Had a case today. Fuel delivery driver arrived at work reeking of booze, stumbling, and slurring. Two supervisors confronted him before he could get in his truck. He admitted to them he'd been out drinking all night. One supervisor drove him home. En route, he admitted to that fellow he had a drinking problem. They canned him, of course. Fuel trucks, for Christ's sake. Applied for unemployment. Admitted to the state he was smashed. Bureaucrat calls today, wants to know why the company did not blood test him to prove he was drunk. So the guy admits he's drunk to the employer, admits he's drunk to the state, but he will likely collect because the employer did not go to the expense of driving him to the hospital for a blood test. This is like Obamacare requiring 122,000 new medical codes, including two for whether your tortoise bites you or runs into you, nine ways you got hurt by your macaw, and even a code for being injured by burning water skis. You waste your time with meaningless bureaucratic minutiae when you should be getting the truck out of the yard.

    Each time you pass another very well intentioned new government scheme, Rain, you duct tape two bricks to the swimmer's back: one brick is government; the other brick is compliance. Eventually, your swimmer drowns in a sea of stupidity.

    No, it won't all be different next time. This is the leopard. These are his spots. Don't hope for change.

    “It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


  • RainRain Posts: 8,958 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for clarifying, I learned a bit.
  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why the very nerve of this guy to rescue a woman in distress. The very nerve.....

    Gun-wielding good Samaritan shoots carjacker at car wash

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4156098437001/gun-wielding-good-samaritan-shoots-carjacker-at-car-wash/?#sp=show-clips>

    Apr. 06, 2015 - 0:48 - Dramatic scene in Atlanta caught on surveillance camera
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,899 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jd50ae:
    Why the very nerve of this guy to rescue a woman in distress. The very nerve.....

    Gun-wielding good Samaritan shoots carjacker at car wash

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/4156098437001/gun-wielding-good-samaritan-shoots-carjacker-at-car-wash/?#sp=show-clips>

    Apr. 06, 2015 - 0:48 - Dramatic scene in Atlanta caught on surveillance camera
    Yeah! Some people, buzzkill! ;)
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    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is another example of control by a school of higher indoctrination.

    A lacrosse coach in Maine lost his job after sharing an open letter to Obama questioning the idea that Islam has long been a part of American history. (Can any body recite any such nonsense?) Sent to him by a friend, he shared it on Facebook to invoke discussion about it but after word got back to school officials, his job was gone only two days after the original posting:

    (He should have used a private mail server and a fake name like billary.) CONWAY DAILY SUN – After four years at the helm of Fryeburg Academy’s boys lacrosse team, Scott Lees of Conway said he was forced by academy officials to resign as head coach after sharing on Facebook an open letter to President Barack Obama that was unflattering to Muslims.
    The letter, written by “An American Citizen,” was about Obama’s speech given in Cairo in 2009. In that speech and in another made last month, the president said Islam has long been a part of American history.
    In the first part of the letter, it wonders whether anyone has have ever seen a Muslim hospital or heard a Muslim orchestra. The writer goes on to charge that Muslims “are still the largest traffickers in human slavery,” that they were allied with Adolf Hitler in World War II and that they were either pleased with or silent on the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. The writer adds that the Barbary pirates were Muslims.
    “I just thought it was an interesting article,” said Lees, who added he’s a politically minded independent conservative. “I thought it was an interesting letter to President Obama and his current administration who are not paying attention to Israel and focusing on Iran.”
    Lees, 48, shared the letter on his personal Facebook page on March 17. Two days later, he was handing in his resignation as Fryeburg Academy’s lacrosse coach. He said that although he was supposed to meet with Head of Schools Erin Mayo and Dean Charlie Tryder on March 19, Athletic Director Sue Thurston told him a decision to fire him had already been made.
    According to Lees, a property manager who is married and has two children, said he did not want a firing to go on his record. He asked Thurston if they would consider a letter of resignation.
    “I’ve never been fired in my life,” said Lees, who also coaches hockey locally. “I’ve been coaching kids since 1992.”
    Regarding the letter that led to his departure as coach, Lees said a friend had emailed it to him, and he posted it to see what people would say. Lees — who has since removed it from his Facebook page — said he did not comment on the letter online and that he meant no disrespect to anyone.
    Lees said the post didn’t get much response. No students “liked” the post though it was liked by four adults, one of whom commented on it. “It’s not like it went viral,” said Lees. “It’s not like everyone and their brother saw it.”
  • Bob_LukenBob_Luken Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jd50ae:
    Here is another example of control by a school of higher indoctrination.

    A lacrosse coach in Maine lost his job after sharing an open letter to Obama questioning the idea that Islam has long been a part of American history. (Can any body recite any such nonsense?) Sent to him by a friend, he shared it on Facebook to invoke discussion about it but after word got back to school officials, his job was gone only two days after the original posting:

    (He should have used a private mail server and a fake name like billary.) CONWAY DAILY SUN – After four years at the helm of Fryeburg Academy’s boys lacrosse team, Scott Lees of Conway said he was forced by academy officials to resign as head coach after sharing on Facebook an open letter to President Barack Obama that was unflattering to Muslims.
    This seems like another example of PC restrictions on free speech but, I'd be interested to read the whole "open letter" for myself to see if I personally think anything in it is objectionable.
  • Bob_LukenBob_Luken Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think I found the open letter. The original author has nothing good to say about Muslims. It's ALL bad. And some of it just seems too bad to be true. It states that all Muslims on 9-11 either attacked or celebrated the attack. In my opinion, describing it as "unflattering towards Muslims" is an understatement. And it seems to me to be an old letter from before the Fort Hood terrorist attack with a post script added mentioning Fort Hood and then again for the Boston Bombings.
    It could be that the coach actually violated some sort of employment policy by re-posting this. He may have signed a policy agreement promising to be tolerant of all religions etc. blah blah blah. This doesn't really sound like tolerance. It's a rant.

    http://therightscoop.com/coach-loses-job-after-sharing-open-letter-to-obama-challenging-islams-part-in-american-history/

    Dear Mr. Obama:

    Have you ever seen a Muslim hospital?

    Have you heard a Muslim orchestra?

    Have you seen a Muslim band march in a parade?

    Have you witnessed a Muslim charity?

    Have you seen Muslims shak[ing] hands with Muslim Girl Scouts?

    Have you seen a Muslim Candy Striper?

    Have your seen a Muslim do anything that contributes positively to the American way of life????

    The answer is no, you have not. Just ask yourself WHY???

    Were those Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims first landed? Funny, I thought they were Native American Indians.

    Were those Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving day? Sorry again, those were Pilgrims and Native American Indians.

    Can you show me one Muslim signature on the United States Constitution? Declaration of Independence? Bill of Rights? Didn’t think so.

    Did Muslims fight for this country’s freedom from England? No.

    Did Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the slaves in America? No, they did not. In fact, Muslims to this day are still the largest traffickers in human slavery. Your own half-brother, a devout Muslim, still advocates slavery himself, even though Muslims of Arabic descent refer to black Muslims as “pug nosed slaves.” Says a lot of what the Muslim world really thinks of your family’s “rich Islamic heritage,” doesn’t it Mr. Obama?

    Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this country? Not present. There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking side by side with Martin Luther King, Jr. or helping to advance the cause of Civil Rights.

    Where were Muslims during this country’s Woman’s Suffrage era? Again, not present. In fact, devout Muslims demand that women are subservient to men in the Islamic culture. So much so, that often they are beaten for not wearing the ‘hajib’ or for talking to a man who is not a direct family member or their husband. Yep, the Muslims are all for women’s rights, aren’t they?

    Where were Muslims during World War II? They were aligned with Adolf Hitler. The Muslim grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler, reviewed the troops and accepted support from the N.a.z.i.s. in killing Jews.

    Finally, Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th, 2001? If they weren't flying planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they were rejoicing in the Middle East.

    No one can dispute the pictures shown from all parts of the Muslim world celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other cable news networks that day. Strangely, the very “moderate” Muslims who’s **** you bent over backwards to kiss in Cairo, Egypt on June 4th were stone cold silent post 9-11. To many Americans, their silence has meant approval for the acts of that day.

    And THAT, Mr. Obama, is the “rich heritage” Muslims have here in America…

    Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot to mention the Barbary Pirates. They were Muslims.

    And now we can add November 5, 2009 – the slaughter of American soldiers at Fort Hood by a Muslim major, a doctor and a psychiatrist, who was supposed to be counseling soldiers returning from battle in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    That, Mr. Obama is the “Muslim heritage” in America!

    P.S. Now, you can add the Boston Marathon bombings, too…

  • ExpendableYouthExpendableYouth Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is bordering on hate speech. Condemning and vilifying a group of people based on a small percentage of its population is wrong, and that is what this is. Should we condem all white people for slavery, colonization, genocide, or denying basic human rights to citizens. It is a dangerous thing to say everyone that looks like this, or believes in that is evil or distrustful.
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,899 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ExpendableYouth:
    This is bordering on hate speech. Condemning and vilifying a group of people based on a small percentage of its population is wrong, and that is what this is. Should we condem all white people for slavery, colonization, genocide, or denying basic human rights to citizens. It is a dangerous thing to say everyone that looks like this, or believes in that is evil or distrustful.
    You are correct. Sadly, people who think like the writer are usually immune to facts, logic, reason, or history that refutes their own view.
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    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • Bob_LukenBob_Luken Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Free speech isn't free. Increasingly, we are not allowed (by our employers) to express any opinions that express any type of intolerance or even go against the grain of popular opinion. Understandably, our employers don't want us stirring up any trouble for them. Do you work for someone else? You can be punished in certain ways for expressing yourself unless it's officially sanctioned expression. If you work for someone else or even do contract work for someone else, you probably signed some papers when you were hired in which you pledged not to make any waves. Even on your own personal social media.

    Personally, I don't really have a problem with Muslims. I do have a problem with terrorists/murderers and even political leaders who are Muslim (or any other religion) that use their religion to bolster their hate/violence towards others. But if I were to point to these repeated incidents of violence by Muslims, and say "we have a problem with violent Muslims killing people and I'm angry about it". Would that make me intolerant? Maybe to some people. Would my employer get rid of me? I wonder.
  • ExpendableYouthExpendableYouth Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭✭
    He was advocating boarderline hate speech and working with children. Do you have the right to free speech, yes you absolutely do, but what you don't have a right to is hate speech or to say something that is designed to enflame. This is boarderline hate speech since it stopped just short of a call to action of some sort, but it still has no constructive purpose. Blaming the Muslims today is the equivalent of blaming the Jews in the 1920's.There are more Muslims in this world than any other religion, so to lump them all in with the crazies is akin to claiming all Christians believe what the Westborogh church believes.
  • Bob_LukenBob_Luken Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ExpendableYouth:
    He was advocating boarderline hate speech and working with children. Do you have the right to free speech, yes you absolutely do, but what you don't have a right to is hate speech or to say something that is designed to enflame. This is boarderline hate speech since it stopped just short of a call to action of some sort, but it still has no constructive purpose. Blaming the Muslims today is the equivalent of blaming the Jews in the 1920's.There are more Muslims in this world than any other religion, so to lump them all in with the crazies is akin to claiming all Christians believe what the Westborogh church believes.
    I agree. I understand why the coach lost his job. But, I was not referencing that case in my last post. I was moving on to the larger general topic of free speech beyond this case.
  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The point of the article from what I am reading isn't the author's opinions about Muslims, it is about his total dislike of obozo and the free ride the press gives him. Who challenged obozo either time he gave that speech? The points in the letter are an aside (generally true) for the reason he wrote it. Why does obozo continually get it wrong, he has been to college, he says. And why does the press not call him out on it? Shouldn't the author be allowed the same free speech as obozo?

    This is about free speech and nothing else. Remember when mr tingles said it was unconstitutional to question obozo?
  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    But just for grins. What did he say that was incorrect?
  • Bob_LukenBob_Luken Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, yeah. I was also wondering about the purported rich Muslim heritage he speaks of that has supposedly been present in america since the founding of our nation. It would help if The President would fill us in on what he pretends is obvious. It's not obvious. Maybe there are occurrences of historic Muslim moments I'm not aware of. Probably. Can anyone provide us with a list?
  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Also for grins. What did he say that was evil or threatening? And what did he say that was a call to violence or hate crimes? And what did he say that led up too demonstrations and riots? It seems to me me to be a letter that had a lot of facts. I say this because some have got off point, it is about freedom of speech, and the free ride so much of the media is giving obozo.
  • SleevePlzSleevePlz Posts: 6,249 ✭✭✭✭
    jd50ae:
    The point of the article from what I am reading isn't the author's opinions about Muslims, it is about his total dislike of obozo and the free ride the press gives him. Who challenged obozo either time he gave that speech? The points in the letter are an aside (generally true) for the reason he wrote it. Why does obozo continually get it wrong, he has been to college, he says. And why does the press not call him out on it? Shouldn't the author be allowed the same free speech as obozo?

    This is about free speech and nothing else. Remember when mr tingles said it was unconstitutional to question obozo?
    I guess I don't understand your stance. The author does have free speech and used it to write this article. He is not in jail or fined for having wrote it. Considering FoxNews is the number one rated newscast and continuously calls out the President, I don't understand that point either. I understand that you hate the President and look for anything negative at all to post in support of your hate, but I don't see the issue in your questioning. Also, the President did go to college, so I guess you can write "he and SleevePlz says" next time for your sourcing of that statement. Lol.
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  • ExpendableYouthExpendableYouth Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can't see what's wrong with the assertions made in that letter. Why was it that there are no Muslim signers on the constitution? Wait where are African Americans (slaves), Hispanics, or Asians? Might of had something to do with the fact they were not land owning white men, and not all white male landowners quailifed either, you need to be a large land owning white male. In some areas it was based on both the amount of property you owned and the number of slaves possessed. Never marched in a parade is kind of baffling, like that is a meteric for trustworthiness. The Girl Scouts is a Eurocentric assumption of values. Then using examples of terrorist attacks to paint all Muslim's as extremists shouldn't have to be explained, it is a transparent attack on a group of people.
  • Bob_LukenBob_Luken Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jd50ae:
    Also for grins. What did he say that was evil or threatening? And what did he say that was a call to violence or hate crimes? And what did he say that led up too demonstrations and riots? It seems to me me to be a letter that had a lot of facts. I say this because some have got off point, it is about freedom of speech, and the free ride so much of the media is giving obozo.
    I agree that the president gets a free ride from most press.

    In my opinion, The coach re-posted what I would call a disparaging rant on Muslims. He probably signed and employment agreement not to disparage a lot of things, including religion. That's my guess as to why he resigned before they fired him. It's just a guess.

    Yes, the overriding subject is free speech and who is "allowed" by our society to say what before they get called on it.
  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ExpendableYouth:
    You can't see what's wrong with the assertions made in that letter. Why was it that there are no Muslim signers on the constitution? Wait where are African Americans (slaves), Hispanics, or Asians? Might of had something to do with the fact they were not land owning white men, and not all white male landowners qualified either, you need to be a large land owning white male. In some areas it was based on both the amount of property you owned and the number of slaves possessed. Never marched in a parade is kind of baffling, like that is a metric for trustworthiness. The Girl Scouts is a Euro-centric assumption of values. Then using examples of terrorist attacks to paint all Muslim's as extremists shouldn't have to be explained, it is a transparent attack on a group of people.


    Are you saying that there were Muslims (other then slave traders) involved with this country pre-constitution?

    The Girl Scouts are a bad thing?

    Have you grasped the point about freedom of speech?

    Good Lord.
  • EulogyEulogy Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jd50ae:
    ExpendableYouth:
    You can't see what's wrong with the assertions made in that letter. Why was it that there are no Muslim signers on the constitution? Wait where are African Americans (slaves), Hispanics, or Asians? Might of had something to do with the fact they were not land owning white men, and not all white male landowners qualified either, you need to be a large land owning white male. In some areas it was based on both the amount of property you owned and the number of slaves possessed. Never marched in a parade is kind of baffling, like that is a metric for trustworthiness. The Girl Scouts is a Euro-centric assumption of values. Then using examples of terrorist attacks to paint all Muslim's as extremists shouldn't have to be explained, it is a transparent attack on a group of people.


    Are you saying that there were Muslims (other then slave traders) involved with this country pre-constitution?

    The Girl Scouts are a bad thing?

    Have you grasped the point about freedom of speech?

    Good Lord.
    He didn't make any of those claims.
  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    NCIS investigation reportedly shows Bergdahl had 'deliberate plan' to 'offer himself up' to the Taliban

    Former Intel officer: Bergdahl left post with a plan

    A 2009 NCIS investigation into Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s activities while in Afghanistan reveal that there is clear evidence Bergdahl was “going over to the other side with a deliberate plan,” Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer said on Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor" Monday night. ,br>
    Shaffer, a former military intelligence officer and Fox News contributor, said two senior sources told him that the Naval Criminal Investigative Service investigation included a forensic review of his computer, which show Bergdahl’s apparent intent to travel to Uzbekistan.

    “He was going to go off to Uzbekistan,” Shaffer told Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly. “He had made contact with local Afghans and wanted to be moved to Uzbekistan and then made contact with the Russians because he wanted to talk to Russian organized crime ...

    “Clearly he was not all there relating to what he was doing,” Shaffer told O'Reilly. “I think we’re going to see more and more, as this report is made public that there were a number of disconcerting things within Bergdahl.”

    A military source also told Fox News there was strong intelligence after Bergdahl's 2009 disappearance indicating he was handed over to the Taliban about 10 days after he left his base, and that the group wanted him. The source, who is familiar with the investigation and efforts to recover Bergdahl, said there was an effort to pick up Bergdahl -- and potentially block his crossing into Pakistan -- but the intelligence was either bad or old and the effort was not successful.
  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Eulogy:
    jd50ae:
    ExpendableYouth:
    You can't see what's wrong with the assertions made in that letter. Why was it that there are no Muslim signers on the constitution? Wait where are African Americans (slaves), Hispanics, or Asians? Might of had something to do with the fact they were not land owning white men, and not all white male landowners qualified either, you need to be a large land owning white male. In some areas it was based on both the amount of property you owned and the number of slaves possessed. Never marched in a parade is kind of baffling, like that is a metric for trustworthiness. The Girl Scouts is a Euro-centric assumption of values. Then using examples of terrorist attacks to paint all Muslim's as extremists shouldn't have to be explained, it is a transparent attack on a group of people.


    Are you saying that there were Muslims (other then slave traders) involved with this country pre-constitution?

    The Girl Scouts are a bad thing?

    Have you grasped the point about freedom of speech?

    Good Lord.
    He didn't make any of those claims.


    What ever.
  • SleevePlzSleevePlz Posts: 6,249 ✭✭✭✭
    jd50ae:
    Have you grasped the point about freedom of speech?

    Good Lord.
    Where is the lack of freedom of speech???
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  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    SleevePlz:
    jd50ae:
    Have you grasped the point about freedom of speech?

    Good Lord.
    Where is the lack of freedom of speech???


    He was threatened with being fired because a friend posted it on social media.
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