Stop it...Enough is enough

jimmyv723

jd50ae said:

Bob_Luken said:

I'm not a "regular guy"?  I'm a cis-man? Not sure how I feel about that. And, what if I wanna feel safer in the ladies room too? It's safer in there. I wanna be safe. 

How many of you had to look up cis-man. It is the point of the thread, you can no longer be just a man.You are going to be in a sub category.

Eulogy

JD, you posted that picture of a safe place restroom. That bathroom is suppose to be a safe place for people who do not feel comfortable or identify with a men's bathroom. like so many things in life, very few things are black and white; and human sexy a little is certainly one ofor them.

raisindot

Eulogy said:

Being a "regular guy" is based on gender stereotypes. Cis is a natural born, straight male. Why would you want to use that bathroom? Do you feel uncomfortable using the bathroom in front of other men?

Yes, I do. Mainly because I have to stand fourteen inches away from the urinal to avoid "tipping" the surface. 

jd50ae

raisindot said:

Eulogy said:

Being a "regular guy" is based on gender stereotypes. Cis is a natural born, straight male. Why would you want to use that bathroom? Do you feel uncomfortable using the bathroom in front of other men?

Yes, I do. Mainly because I have to stand fourteen inches away from the urinal to avoid "tipping" the surface. 

you can squat from 14 inches away...?

jd50ae

Eulogy said:

JD, you posted that picture of a safe place restroom. That bathroom is suppose to be a safe place for people who do not feel comfortable or identify with a men's bathroom. like so many things in life, very few things are black and white; and human sexy a little is certainly one ofor them.

I am well aware what the sign is-------you refuse to see the point.

Eulogy

jd50ae said:

Eulogy said:

JD, you posted that picture of a safe place restroom. That bathroom is suppose to be a safe place for people who do not feel comfortable or identify with a men's bathroom. like so many things in life, very few things are black and white; and human sexy a little is certainly one ofor them.

I am well aware what the sign is-------you refuse to see the point.

Make a clear point, I'm suppose to cipher what point you want me gleam? Also, that should say that human sexuality is certainly one of them. 

jd50ae

Eulogy said:

jd50ae said:

Eulogy said:

JD, you posted that picture of a safe place restroom. That bathroom is suppose to be a safe place for people who do not feel comfortable or identify with a men's bathroom. like so many things in life, very few things are black and white; and human sexy a little is certainly one ofor them.

I am well aware what the sign is-------you refuse to see the point.

Make a clear point, I'm suppose to cipher what point you want me gleam? Also, that should say that human sexuality is certainly one of them. 

Go back and read the whole thread and not just the people you agree with.

Eulogy

You make so many assumptions, I've read the whole thread. Other then you saying that tolerance is stupid and a general dislike for LBGT community your argument seems to focus on not wanting to have students taught about differing sexual orientations. I remeber when I was growing up people didn't want students being told about homosexuals. People fear and act out against those they don't understand, that's why it's important for young people to learn about their differences and to see them as people. I don't sheik away from differing opions and if you make a valid argument,  I can be swayed. 

jd50ae

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Eulogy said:

You make so many assumptions, I've read the whole thread. Other then you saying that tolerance is stupid and a general dislike for LBGT community your argument seems to focus on not wanting to have students taught about differing sexual orientations. I remeber when I was growing up people didn't want students being told about homosexuals. People fear and act out against those they don't understand, that's why it's important for young people to learn about their differences and to see them as people. I don't sheik away from differing opions and if you make a valid argument,  I can be swayed. 

1. I did not say tolerance was stupid, I said it was a bad choice of words.

2. Not once did I make any remark mentioning the LBGT community, much less disparage it..

3. Go back and read the entire thread.

jgibv

Eulogy said:

jd50ae said:

Eulogy said:

JD, you posted that picture of a safe place restroom. That bathroom is suppose to be a safe place for people who do not feel comfortable or identify with a men's bathroom. like so many things in life, very few things are black and white; and human sexy a little is certainly one ofor them.

I am well aware what the sign is-------you refuse to see the point.

Make a clear point, I'm suppose to cipher what point you want me gleam? Also, that should say that human sexuality is certainly one of them. 

What if JD can't tell you what the point is because.....the OP was pointless??

Eulogy

Again, I have read the thread. How is tolerance a bad choice of words? Why can you post any asinine photo and then claim I'm getting off topic? It seems, to me anyway, that you quite clearly don't think that there should be separate or special accommodations made for non-Cis individuals and that having a dialog with young people about their sexuality is unacceptable. Boys should be boys and girls should be girls. Sexuality is a straight line and not a spectrum. 

Bob_Luken

Eulogy said:

Being a "regular guy" is based on gender stereotypes. Cis is a natural born, straight male. Why would you want to use that bathroom? Do you feel uncomfortable using the bathroom in front of other men?

Agh! I can't believe you wrote that. To suggest that I suffer from Paruresis, or shy bladder syndrome, is outrageously offensive. You wouldn't be so rude to me if I were anything other than a cis-guy. As any sort of liberal you should be ashamed of yourself. The sign said it was safer in there. So why should I be forced to use the more dangerous bathroom? 

jd50ae

Come on, you have given me only 28 "Disagrees", you can do better then that.

raisindot

jd50ae said:

raisindot said:

Eulogy said:

Being a "regular guy" is based on gender stereotypes. Cis is a natural born, straight male. Why would you want to use that bathroom? Do you feel uncomfortable using the bathroom in front of other men?

Yes, I do. Mainly because I have to stand fourteen inches away from the urinal to avoid "tipping" the surface. 

you can squat from 14 inches away...?

Sure. I learned by watching your Youtube video.  

pelirrojo

We as people like to qualify and classify things, especially other people. We use many different characteristics to do so; race, class, nationality, religious beliefs, language, diet, occupation, etc...

Gender and sexuality are also used to classify people. We teach about the other classifications in school. Why would gender and sexuality be any different?

Regardless of whether you view gender and sexuality as a spectrum or as a cut and dry, one or the other classification, I don't see why it should be singled out from the others mentioned above. It certainly can't hurt to teach about it. 

So what's the real issue here?

jd50ae

Blurred lines, no more boys and no more girls, by curriculum. You are a cis-male.

Tolerance is a word that suggests arrogance. Who am I to to judge and be tolerant. You accept it or you don't. I have no problems with folks life style. As I said earlier in this post, more power to you. If your lifestyle causes me no problems I don't care and to say I am tolerant implies that I do.
The drugs that I am tolerant too and need, I take, the ones I am intolerant to I don't take.

True story.
One of the jobs I had called a meeting of all employees. It would take weeks.
It was about folks that they considered different.
I got up and left the meeting.
It took them a week to call me on it.
I was given over to a gay black man supervisor, who was a friend of mine. I got him promoted good friend.
I told him flat out, that the company trying to force me to think of him and folks like him
as different was an insult to me and them, and they had better re-think their little program. Why didn't they include fat people or ugly people or short people? What about Christians and Muslims. I was friends with both.
I was never bothered about it again and they took a whole different approach to the subject, then had discussions that included sexual harassment that included no reference to gender, because it works both ways.
We went to a bar later, got lit and never stopped laughing about the stupidity. 

jd50ae

jd50ae said:

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Eulogy said:

You make so many assumptions, I've read the whole thread. Other then you saying that tolerance is stupid and a general dislike for LBGT community your argument seems to focus on not wanting to have students taught about differing sexual orientations. I remeber when I was growing up people didn't want students being told about homosexuals. People fear and act out against those they don't understand, that's why it's important for young people to learn about their differences and to see them as people. I don't sheik away from differing opions and if you make a valid argument,  I can be swayed. 

1. I did not say tolerance was stupid, I said it was a bad choice of words.

2. Not once did I make any remark mentioning the LBGT community, much less disparage it..

3. Go back and read the entire thread.

penn

Bringing this thing full circle - I'm more convinced than ever we need the class - all of us! When did I become a cis-man?  Are there other designations I'm not aware of like you have 1-3inch cis-men; 4-6inch cis-men, and horse cis-men

I'm hoping that we learn to accept difference and respect them instead of tolerating.  I know it is a pie in the sky dream but the United States of America is capable of big things!

Amos_Umwhat

penn said:

Bringing this thing full circle - I'm more convinced than ever we need the class - all of us! When did I become a cis-man?  Are there other designations I'm not aware of like you have 1-3inch cis-men; 4-6inch cis-men, and horse cis-men

I'm hoping that we learn to accept difference and respect them instead of tolerating.  I know it is a pie in the sky dream but the United States of America is capable of big things!

OK, what the hell does C I S stand for?  Apparently I am one, I think, how did this come about?  And are we ever going to learn to judge a man by the content of his character? 

jd50ae

Amos Umwhat said:

penn said:

Bringing this thing full circle - I'm more convinced than ever we need the class - all of us! When did I become a cis-man?  Are there other designations I'm not aware of like you have 1-3inch cis-men; 4-6inch cis-men, and horse cis-men

I'm hoping that we learn to accept difference and respect them instead of tolerating.  I know it is a pie in the sky dream but the United States of America is capable of big things!

OK, what the hell does C I S stand for?  Apparently I am one, I think, how did this come about?  And are we ever going to learn to judge a man by the content of his character? 

OMG-----you said judge a MAN.....don't you get it yet.

penn

@Amos Umwhat - in latin cis means 'on the same side'!  I knew one day my Catholic School education would come in handy. I think it came about because the term cross-dresser became more narrowly defined.  As for your last question - I am holding out hope brother.  In the meantime I do what I can; love and respect everyone; and enjoy family, cigars, golf and every morning I open my eyes.

webmost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNMq8XS4LhE