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jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
candidates and counting. Billary Clintonista will be dead in the water before it is over and who knows who will run. I wish the libertarians would be one of two candidates running, we really need a completely different mind set. But that won't happen, and it will come down to voting against what ever liberal progressive socialist Marxist the democrats run. Hell of a way to run an election.   

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  • peter4jcpeter4jc Posts: 16,168 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You probably like Rand Paul, yes?  Too bad the powers that control the R's won't let him have the nomination.
    "I could've had a Mi Querida!"   Nick Bardis
  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    peter4jc said:
    You probably like Rand Paul, yes?  Too bad the powers that control the R's won't let him have the nomination.
    Hmmm. Interesting. What's your take on the whole thing, Peter?
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,679 ✭✭✭✭✭
    peter4jc said:
    You probably like Rand Paul, yes?  Too bad the powers that control the R's won't let him have the nomination.
    Yep, he's not getting the funding that the toadies get.  That's what happens when genuine libertarian conservatives stand up for what's right.
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  • ExpendableYouthExpendableYouth Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why would Hilary be dead before the general election?
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,679 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why would Hilary be dead before the general election?
    My guess is implosion.
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    "If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed.  If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." --  Mark Twain
  • The3StogiesThe3Stogies Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭✭
    Completely different mindset is what got us here, all of a sudden we take a turn to the left, hold my beer and hang on.  You know how many times I went in the ditch doing this, but I learned and after a while I was doing "Rockford" turns, lol.  Government is getting so big that it won't obey and this divide and conquer stuff has to stop, that's a tool used to defeat someone or an idea.  That's not their job.  People complain about the government but we elected them, it is a responsibility we all share.  

    Politicians, by nature, are as slimy as used car dealers, my apologies to car dealers, lol.  If we spent as much time researching our voting choices as we did buying that vehicle or new phone we may get some better leadership.  But then it's who is presented to us as the best choices by the political machine to choose from.  It appears Hillary is it for the dem's but the other side has some interesting candidates and more every day it seems.  Look forward to the debates, but even those are too moderated.  Be nice to see a debate that's less moderated, a real debate that goes off the script and maybe gives you a glimpse of the real person and how they react.  I think of  Romney/Obama when the moderator, was it Crowley, shut him right off on Bengazi.  If Romney knew the facts that was his opportunity to tear her and him a new one, showing some leadership, but he backed down, slimy.   But then he would have been accused of racism and sexism, oh wait I think he was anyways.  Divide and conquer, don't fall for it, that's out job to do that to government not them to us.
  • ExpendableYouthExpendableYouth Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I just remember watching Fox News during the last election and they were calling it in favor of Romney in a landslide, and in fact they even claimed at one point democrats shouldn't even bother going to the polls. I think the Republican Party has a place in politics, but they need to continue their fiscal conservatism and move toward the center on their social issues. Also the idea of having 1256+ individuals running for office isn't a good sign of political unity it just creates a circus.
  • armyvetarmyvet Posts: 37
    Unfortunately most Americans don't vote however this right is guaranteed by the constitution, so be it. Your vote in the presidential election doesn't matter anyway as i t is the electoral college that decides. This system was designed early on as most Americans could not vote in a timely fashion nor take the trip. It would take months for mail and possible tampering. So this was the best answer at the time. 
     With the decision of citizens united it really changed the political scene. What I don't understand, why we as the people let them keep the money after the election to spend as they wish. 
     In my home state I have seen some political attacks to favor a side in the elections. New district maps drawn up by attorneys to favor one side. Lines drawn to separate houses on the same street as that particular house tended to vote one political side. Laws changed on the supreme court justice chief to favor a side. Changing laws on rights of workers to unionize. Voter I'd laws changed. Powers stripped from officials due to political sides. There are few more, these are the ones most people are talking about. These were done to ensure those in power stay in power.
     The Constitution was written and intended to be a balance of power. We the people are the words, not we.the corporations, political parties, special interests..... 
      I do know this, it is time to stop pointing fingers at each other and start solving things or our country will tear itself apart while most Americans pay out of their pocket for it and some young soldiers pay with their lives. Perhaps we are at this lunatic point now.
     It is good people come and shake the hand of veterans and soldiers thanking them for their service and attend funerals of soldiers they do not know.The people stand behind them even if congress will not.
     Longest post in my little time posting I have ever written. I guess I got a little stirred up, lol.
  • raisindotraisindot Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭
    armyvet said:
    Unfortunately most Americans don't vote however this right is guaranteed by the constitution, so be it. Your vote in the presidential election doesn't matter anyway as i t is the electoral college that decides. This system was designed early on as most Americans could not vote in a timely fashion nor take the trip. It would take months for mail and possible tampering. So this was the best answer at the time. 
    First of all, thank you for your service to this country. Too many of us take for granted the rights and obligations granted by the Constitution that men like you are committed to preserving and defending through your military service. 

    But to your statement, I don't really agree that the citizen's vote in a presidential election doesn't matter. Yes, it does matter, because your representatives are obligated to vote in the Electoral College following the popular vote results in your state. True that most of the time a single vote doesn't matter, but in some cases, like the 2000 Florida results, a president was elected by a margin of only a few hundred votes. So it does matter. 

    I'm not a huge fan of the electoral college, but it wasn't really "invented" simply because people couldn't vote in a timely fashion. It was really invented because the Founders did not believe in the idea of direct election of the Chief Executive by the people (they also did not believe Senators should be directly elected by the people, either. It took a constitutional amendment to change that).

    During that time--when no one was really sure how this new government would work-- they were very worried about a demagogue who might capture all of the popular votes who would turn the new nation into a dictatorship or monarchy. The Electoral College was created to provide a "barrier of reason" by which the legislative branch would have the final say over who become president.  And, indeed, the Electoral College did exert its "final say" over who became president in a number of early elections, most notably in the elections of 1800 and 1824.
  • ExpendableYouthExpendableYouth Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I found this the other day when researching both parties candidates, and it give a really nice break down of candidate strategy and positions.
  • avengethisavengethis Posts: 5,689 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We are almost a year and a half away from the election and already it is starting.  These politicians hold a current office but now for the next 18 months will be focusing on a presidential run.  It's just a waste of money and time.
    Team O'Donnell FTW!

    "I've got a great cigar collection - it's actually not a collection, because that would imply I wasn't going to smoke ever last one of 'em." - Ron White
  • SleevePlzSleevePlz Posts: 6,249 ✭✭✭✭
    We are almost a year and a half away from the election and already it is starting.  These politicians hold a current office but now for the next 18 months will be focusing on a presidential run.  It's just a waste of money and time.

    Totally agree. I don't know how the governor of a State can spend all that time traveling the country running for President and somehow also do the job he is currently paid to do. Seems like you should have to quit your current job to take on the full time job of running for President. That might also help shrink the field to legit candidates that could win.
    LLA - Lancero Lovers of America
  • avengethisavengethis Posts: 5,689 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Or maybe start campaigning like 6 - 8 months before the election. 
    Team O'Donnell FTW!

    "I've got a great cigar collection - it's actually not a collection, because that would imply I wasn't going to smoke ever last one of 'em." - Ron White
  • armyvetarmyvet Posts: 37
    Raisindot,
     I stand corrected and admire your knowledge! Thank you for kind words.of service to our service.members.and families. I know my family made sacrifices during my deployments.
     
  • armyvetarmyvet Posts: 37
    I have a friend who believes in order to vote in any election the voter should have to answer a question. Such as " name the 3 branches of government " he asks people this all the time. Its funny the answers you hear and sad how many people can't name them. One answer " that black guy, a bunch of old white dudes and some house but I don't know who lives there" He gave it to him for describing 2 of 3.
  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat Posts: 8,679 ✭✭✭✭✭
    peter4jc said:
    I know what the 3 branches are...


    That's about it.  Throw in a "For Sale" sign with a Citizens United banner and you have it all wrapped up.
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  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2015
    Got the following in an email:


     
    She speaks in lawyerease or something!!         
     
     
    Only a politician could use that many words and say absolutely NOTHING!
                                                                                     
    You don't wanna  pass this one up!  Forward it on to all in your directory!
    Even to our liberal "friends". 
    Quote of the day, no, of the week, make that a month, yet it probably is quote of the year!  No, DECADE.  Wait a minute. 
    It's the greatest quote EVER! 
                                                                                      
    “My accomplishments as Secretary of State? Well, I'm glad you asked! My proudest accomplishment in which I take the most pride, mostly because of the opposition it faced early on, you know… the remnants of prior situations and mindsets  that were too narrowly focused in a manner whereby they may have overlooked the bigger picture and we didn’t do that and I’m proud of that. Very proud.  I would say that’s a major accomplishment.”
     
    Hillary  Clinton, 11 March 2015
     
    Could someone please tell me what the hell she just said?  And she is running for President?

  • raisindotraisindot Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭
    jlmarta said:
    Got the following in an email:


     
    She speaks in lawyerease or something!!         
     
     
    Only a politician could use that many words and say absolutely NOTHING!
                                                                                     
    You don't wanna  pass this one up!  Forward it on to all in your directory!
    Even to our liberal "friends". 
    Quote of the day, no, of the week, make that a month, yet it probably is quote of the year!  No, DECADE.  Wait a minute. 
    It's the greatest quote EVER! 
                                                                                      
    “My accomplishments as Secretary of State? Well, I'm glad you asked! My proudest accomplishment in which I take the most pride, mostly because of the opposition it faced early on, you know… the remnants of prior situations and mindsets  that were too narrowly focused in a manner whereby they may have overlooked the bigger picture and we didn’t do that and I’m proud of that. Very proud.  I would say that’s a major accomplishment.”
     
    Hillary  Clinton, 11 March 2015
     
    Could someone please tell me what the hell she just said?  And she is running for President?

    Sorry, much as I wish she did say this, she never did. This email hoax has been traveling the Internets since 2014 and has never been sourced to a specific event and there are no existing videos or transcripts. See http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/achievements.asp

    Now, that doesn't mean that she isn't perfectly capable of making such incoherent statements, since so far she hasn't done a particularly good job of articulating what she DID accomplish as Sec. of State. Which wasn't all that much.  

  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have no basis on which to challenge what you say about the quote - you're most likely right. And I agree wholeheartedly with your final paragraph. 

    There's a joke going around that says the way to tell if a lawyer is lying is to see if his lips are moving. I think I've spotted a 'tell' with Billary that'll let you know when she's lying - just watch her eyes. They get really big when she's telling a bald-faced lie. Like, watch her when she's talking about Benghazi, for example....

    Just my opinion....  
  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2015
    jlmarta said:
    I have no basis on which to challenge what you say about the quote - you're most likely right. And I agree wholeheartedly with your final paragraph. 

    There's a joke going around that says the way to tell if a lawyer is lying is to see if his lips are moving. I think I've spotted a 'tell' with Billary that'll let you know when she's lying - just watch her eyes. They get really big when she's telling a bald-faced lie. Like, watch her when she's talking about Benghazi, for example....

    Just my opinion....  
    If her lips are moving.........


  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2015
    Y'know, when you take into account items like the one JD posted above and quotes like the one I'm inserting below (another emailed item), ya have to wonder about the mentality of the folks who have continued to support candidates like these. I mean, what in the world are they thinking??  Here's the quote:  

    Czech quote:

    This is a quote reportedly taken from a Czech Republic leader on the state of America.

    "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

    The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

    The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."

    And I'll go so far as to say that even if the quote turns out to be fabricated by someone, the words, regardless of who said them, are completely true in meaning....
  • jd50aejd50ae Posts: 7,900 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jlmarta said:
    Y'know, when you take into account items like the one JD posted above and quotes like the one I'm inserting below (another emailed item), ya have to wonder about the mentality of the folks who have continued to support candidates like these. I mean, what in the world are they thinking??  Here's the quote:  

    Czech quote:



    "The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."

    And I'll go so far as to say that even if the quote turns out to be fabricated by someone, the words, regardless of who said them, are completely true in meaning....
    I know you are probably tired of me saying it but the above quote says the same thing.

    Do not underestimate the power of large groups of stupid people.

    Not once, but twice, obozo was elected POTUS, even after all the warnings, which all proved to be true, and even after his first term.

    And now billary waits in the wings. The saddest excuse for voting for her will be "yea I know she can't be trusted but I want my daughter to know that a woman can be president".
  • SleevePlzSleevePlz Posts: 6,249 ✭✭✭✭
    jd50ae said:
    Do not underestimate the power of large groups of stupid people.

    Which large group of stupid people are you referring to? The ones that twice elected Bush, the guy that blatantly fabricated evidence to go to war with Iraq, leading to the deaths of tens of thousands of human lives or the ones that twice elected a president that passed universal health care? Personally, I learned this lesson all too well in 2004.
    LLA - Lancero Lovers of America
  • jlmartajlmarta Posts: 7,881 ✭✭✭✭✭
    SleevePlz said:
    jd50ae said:
    Do not underestimate the power of large groups of stupid people.

    Which large group of stupid people are you referring to? The ones that twice elected Bush, the guy that blatantly fabricated evidence to go to war with Iraq, leading to the deaths of tens of thousands of human lives or the ones that twice elected a president that passed universal health care? Personally, I learned this lesson all too well in 2004.
    So then, are you saying you think Obama has done a better job? And, if so, in what way?
  • avengethisavengethis Posts: 5,689 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah Universal Health Care that is becoming too expensive to afford.  My premium has doubled since the "Affordable Health Care" passed and my deductible has gone up from 3k a year for the family to 12k a year.  Yeah he did a great job oh and there are not enough young people enrolling to the exchanges to subsidies the older people so the subsidies may be going away or shrinking making it even more "affordable".  Yeah Universal health care is such a great thing. ha
    Team O'Donnell FTW!

    "I've got a great cigar collection - it's actually not a collection, because that would imply I wasn't going to smoke ever last one of 'em." - Ron White
  • ExpendableYouthExpendableYouth Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's not universal health care. Republicans said if universal health care was even on the table they would walk away from the discussions. What we have is a universal enrollment program that benefited insurance companies and lobbyists which the republicans pushed for, and then walked away and decried after the fact. 
  • The3StogiesThe3Stogies Posts: 2,652 ✭✭✭✭
    Who did the better job by what measure?  Bush was handed 9/11, Obama the banking crisis.  I sometimes wonder how Obama would have handled 9/11 if it happened on his watch.  I don't think as well as Bush did it.  We were back up and running in a week, united, pissed and ready to kick azz.
  • SleevePlzSleevePlz Posts: 6,249 ✭✭✭✭
    jlmarta said:
    SleevePlz said:
    jd50ae said:
    Do not underestimate the power of large groups of stupid people.

    Which large group of stupid people are you referring to? The ones that twice elected Bush, the guy that blatantly fabricated evidence to go to war with Iraq, leading to the deaths of tens of thousands of human lives or the ones that twice elected a president that passed universal health care? Personally, I learned this lesson all too well in 2004.
    So then, are you saying you think Obama has done a better job? And, if so, in what way?
    Can you name something worse than falsifying reasons to justify a war? What has Obama done that trumps an illegal war? Why aren't you screaming for Bush to be tried over that? If Obama did exactly what Bush did, it would be the biggest outrage ever. 

    So to answer your question, Obama didn't send a bunch of the best Americans we have to die in a war for oil. Bush did. So yes, Obama wins in my mind. 
    LLA - Lancero Lovers of America
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