Have we really come to this?

0patience

Whether you like Trump or not, is this really how people should behave?

I don't understand these people. 
If I don't like a person running, I don't vote for them. 
Blocking traffic and shutting down a highway is kind of stupid, not to mention a bit extreme, I think.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/03/19/video-anti-donald-trump-protesters-shut-down-arizona-highway-rally

I don't know that something like this is even productive.

It's interesting that people are going nuts about the race. 
I was asked who I was voting for and the person got all worked up when I said I hadn't made up my mind yet. Their response was, "How could you not know??" and went on to explain why certain ones shouldn't be voted for.

I understand being passionate about it, but strong arming people to vote a certain way is a bit over the top.

kswildcat

I don't want Trump one bit. I honestly think if Cruz was ahead these people would be harassing him the same manner (with not as much ammo).

With that said the more I see these slow leak gimme gimme free stuff, open borders, utopia people get irritated the more I will vote (reluctantly) for Trump if he does win the nominee. Kansas is done in the primary and I less then istaticly pulled the lever for Cruz

I still think Trump is a fake and won't even attempt to fix immigration. But chances are I'm wrong. Regardless I HOPE a president Trump would be better then a Hillary or Bernie.

Trump himself does not make it easy for me to vote for him if he does become the nominee, but the utopia crowd does. The more they pull this crud the more intrenched I become.


I still have my tin foil hat on and thinking clouds are aligning for all hell to break lose and the election being suspended.   

jlmarta

kswildcat said:

......Regardless I HOPE a president Trump would be better then a Hillary or Bernie.

Hell, a castrated, one-legged toad would be a better choice than Billary. With all her lying, thievery, and just general corruption she needs to be behind bars, certainly not in the White House. 

Bernie's a nice old guy but nice old guys don't make good presidents. 

Im not in love with Trump but, as it's always been, it just boils down to the lesser of evils. Looked at that way, he's the obvious choice. And if we can make it through eight years of Obummercare without the country caving in on us, we can probably hang on through a Trump administration....  

I guess I shouldn't soft-pedal it so much and just say what I really think, right??  

kswildcat

I'm sure what you really think wouldn't make it past the admins... That's why your so great.

peter4jc

I have a hunch that a President Trump would be less bombastic and alienating than Candidate Trump.  He's such a showman that he's amping it up for the campaign, but think if he was in the White House, he'd adapt that sort of personage.

0patience

kswildcat said:

With that said the more I see these slow leak gimme gimme free stuff, open borders, utopia people get irritated the more I will vote (reluctantly) for Trump if he does win the nominee. Kansas is done in the primary and I less then istaticly pulled the lever for Cruz

This statement is something we are seeing more and more.
The people who are creating these mobs, blockades and all seem to be those who want all that and it is pushing a large number of people to re-think their choices.

Which is a shame. 
It shouldn't be this way. 
You shouldn't have to be voting for the person you hate the least.

jlmarta

You're right, Tony. We SHOULDN'T have to be voting for the one we hate the least.... but it's been that way since I was old enough to vote (and that's longer than anyone else on this forum) and I don't see it changing any time soon, I'm sad to say.... 

kswildcat

It's funny how the politicians claim to be trying to come up with incentives to get the slow leaks to provide for themselves, yet they keep giving them incentives not to. That's their game tho, taking away the incentives not to be self reliant would be giving away their power, their voice.. It's all big government and hunger for power. 

They claim to need foreign workers to do jobs Americans won't.  Yet they give Americans incentives not to work. That's all bs. You take away the incentives people will do whatever they can to survive. The equality utopia they try to sell is a dream. I've done the jobs most the illegals these days have been proven to lazy to do. Most are not like the illegals of the past, they come for our welfare nothing more. I have many first generation immigrant friends and they despise them as much as me. They are furious they had to work their azces off to come here and make it while the new just come and get handed everything.  But that gives the big government power to get even bigger and more powerful.

If Trump or Cruz for that matter actually did attempt to at least attempt to fix immigration and the welfare state it would be nice. I just don't see it.

The3Stogies

Imagine if Bernie finally got mad and went 3rd party or Independent, and the Republicans dump Trump at the convention, that could get interesting.  The Republicans didn't get the job done last election and mid-terms, this is the report card.  Seems they're all running scared now, the deck is getting re-shuffled and they still try and play the same old hands.  Romney and others sound like Democrats now.  The country has finally eaten too much crap and it's puking it out, I'll take my Trump steak med-well after.

0patience

If you'd have told me 5 years ago that Trump would even be in contention for the POTUS, I'd have died laughing.
Today, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
On the one hand, I'm laughing that he's doing so well. On the other hand, I'm crying because he's doing so well and the other options are just as horrid.

The3Stogies

I was surprised Trump actually did run this time.  Then I was surprised how good he was doing getting votes, figured he'd drop out or be eliminated early.  Don't agree with everything he say's but then I don't completely agree with any of them.  Even Bernie makes some good points.  Right now Trump's got the juice and the votes coming in, Republican party seems to be growing, may be smart to let it play out on it's own.  Instead of the person, or in the case of politicians yourself, think of the party, any good party has lots of people at it that want to be there.

webmost

peter4jc said:

I have a hunch that a President Trump would be less bombastic and alienating than Candidate Trump.  He's such a showman that he's amping it up for the campaign, but think if he was in the White House, he'd adapt that sort of personage.

I've been reading about Theodore Roosevelt's candidacies, cause there are so many parallels. He was bombastic. He was fringe. He was populist. He was rich. He gave far more insults than answers on the campaign trail. At the time, the electorate was sick and tired of a corrupt establishment breaking promises and selling their country to plutocrats. The Republican convention made him vice president on McKinley's second ticket just to shut him up; cause even back then, veep is where careers went to die. Fate intervened, McKinley was assassinated six months into his term, so Teddy Trust Buster came to power. 

Didn't take long for corruption to reign again. After his second term, TR thought he had groomed a successor in Taft. Turned out Taft had been bought by oligarchs. Theodore ran against him next time, won two thirds of the delegates, until the party stole the process in the back room. Three quarters of his delegates actually walked out of the convention. So TR started his own Progressive party. That's the campaign where TR got shot on his way to the podium, stood up anyway, spoke for an hour and a half while bleeding from the chest, and said he felt strong as a bull moose. The result was predictable: Progressives split the Republican vote, enabling the racist and corrupt Democratic party to triumph, bringing about segregation, the resurgence of the KKK, Prohibition, and eventually, war in Europe.

Teddy rode in on a wave of bombast, busted a couple trusts, opened a couple parks, and was done. Two terms later, the oligarchs returned to power, Teddy went on safari, and the rich got richer. Rockefeller made more money after his Standard Oil monopoly was busted up than he ever had before.

Oligarchy appears to be the inevitable backbone of government. Nature of the beast. Regardless whether its outward form is monarchy, democracy, republican, socialist, or even theocracy, government is really there to obey and reward a privileged class. All these vacuous daydreaming statists who believe that government can be wise and benevolent ignore the entire experience of mankind through the millennia. No government can remain good long enough to finish your cup of coffee. This is why I insist that you cannot have good government; you can only have less government.

The cycle goes like so: The people get pissed, and then they get pissed on.

silvermouse

wow, good post, @webmost; you've cut to the chase really well. A morning smoke in your honor. 

johnnyB

That was awesome,thank you 

kswildcat

That right there is why I said I was going to write him or @jlmarta in.. 

dirtdude

Great post @webmost, very well summed up. 

jlmarta

Found this in this morning's news. Click on the link and scroll down to the video start button....

Exactly 16 years ago the Simpsons predicted a Trump presidency
http://bit.ly/1WCpnn8

sorry about the ad. It's only a few seconds, though...

kswildcat

Rhamlin

Ive heard that if it comes down to Trump vs Hillary it's expected to have the largest voter turnout ever. 

The3Stogies

Interesting webmost, thanks for that.  But I try and not get too hung up on comparisons and the perceived inevitable results, especially when it comes to people.  But there are comparisons there, enough for both sides really.