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Last week I rode to McSherrystown to visit with my friend Craig Smith at FX Smith's Sons cigar factory. He wants to add Muniemakers and Toppers to his web site. It's about a two, two and a half hour ride. The direct route transects the prettiest murdersickle riding MerryLand and Pennsyltucky have to offer. Rolling fertile hills; lumpy one lane roads thru woods; little battered mill towns where the mill closed when the jobs moved to Mexico, where the worn denizens have nothing left to do but sit smoking on the stoop watching you ride by; then back to the wilderness, rushing cricks, dodging whistlepigs, ducking beneath one lane underpasses, bumping over rusty train tracks. I like that ride.

Well, earlier that morning, Bearswatter and I were driving back from the IHOP, when we remarked how many Trump/Pence signs littered the landscape, but how you never see a Hillary sign. Never. Why? Now, Newark is a populous university town. En route to the Merryland border, I passed right thru the University, passed frat houses, then thru upscale neighborhoods where professors live on the left with their country club on the right. Trump/Pence, both sides. 

Nothing else to do for two hours, I started counting signs. Lost count somewhere around eighty, still in Merryland. I'm gonna estimate 200 Trump/Pence, time I got there.
Spotted one Gary Johnson sign in PA. That was a surprise.
First and only Hillary sign posted on the right as I entered Hanover, very last minute, bout two miles from McSherrystown. 
Trump/Pence again all thru town to the factory.

Hillary Clinton tied with Gary Johnson!

Quarter mile from home there's a cigar store, where I stopped in to score some mild stuff to bomb a forum newb. There's a Trump/Pence headquarters set up in a storefront right next door. What the hell, I dropped in, asked the gal at the desk what's up with all these signs. She replied: "You have no idea. Most of our signs get destroyed. There's gangs that go round every night tearing them up. We get a lot of people tell us they are afraid to post a sign because of vandalism." 

I ran round the whole of my own development. Three Trump/Pence. Zero Hillary.

We all know better than to trust polls. Like Rueters, here couple weeks back, who, soon as their polls showed Trump ahead. they tergiversated: "Oh no; there must be an error in our method," re-engineered their method, so that the results of the same poll two days later showed Hillary ahead. So where do we get a real handle on the question of the day?

Does a simple sign count count as any kind of a poll? 

If so, those media megacorp syndicates already printing up their dewey eyed headlines may wake up Wednesday to a joyful Truman holding up the newspaper.

--- or true jackass, in this case.

Of course, you do have to keep an eye on demographics. Mine are not likely to be yours. My route led thru a lot of countryside. Hard handed hard working practical people live there. People who change their own transmission in their old pickup. People who shoot from deer stands, not drive bys. Who wear their hats brim forward and pull their pants up. There may be some youths among them stranded in their parents basement by failed Obamanomics who may have posted a different sign if only it were their house. But by the same token, these listless mill towns, every stoop holds an ex union member, and welfare is no stranger to their old clapboard house. And Newark, as I say, is a University town -- no basket of deplorables here. My development is a racially heterogeneous working man's neighborhood. Cable installers, plumbers, carpenters, fellows with business decals on their pickup doors, mothers and children. 

Then there's the whole voter fraud demographic. Signs don't count the millions of dead voters, aliens, felons, unregistered, thrice coounted, fictional, bought, blocs, and engineered miscounts ... ask Bernie. There's a very good and consistent reason why one side opposes voter IDs. Not because one specific race is too hapless, dumb, and pathetic to secure enough ID to buy a beer. But because, face it, it's a well-organized and professional plunderbund. Trump will have to win by a landslide to eke out a victory.


Try it yourself. I'd be curious to know how other precincts report in. Tell us about how and where you counted what.

Makes me wonder...


“It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)


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  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat West TNPosts: 5,188 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Took a ride up to Columbus-Belmont park the other day, Civil War site, saw lots of Trump signs, a couple Sanders.  That's all.
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  • MartelMartel Somewhere in PAPosts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭
    I met a Lutheran pastor in this part of PA (the same part you drove through) who originally hails from St. Paul, MN.  She told me that recently she met the only person in her congregation that doesn't own a gun besides her, and she's not sure it counts because the lady's husband does own one.  Point being, you weren't exactly in the most liberal place in America.  It's not quite Johnson County, IN, which, when I was growing up there, was part of the second safest Republican congressional district in the country, but it's close.

    I do know a couple Clinton signs in the I-83 to Hanover back roads.  But Trump certainly is overwhelming here.

    And Davis, why the heck didn't you tell me you were passing through?  Or did you go a different route to avoid the bridge that's out on PA-216?

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  • WoodguardenWoodguarden Dublin, PAPosts: 130 ✭✭✭
    The only Hillary signs I see are the "Hillary for Prison 2016" signs.
  • WylaffWylaff Reno, NVPosts: 4,729 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • webmostwebmost Dull-AwarePosts: 6,099 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Martel said:
    I met a Lutheran pastor in this part of PA (the same part you drove through) who originally hails from St. Paul, MN.  She told me that recently she met the only person in her congregation that doesn't own a gun besides her, and she's not sure it counts because the lady's husband does own one.  Point being, you weren't exactly in the most liberal place in America.  It's not quite Johnson County, IN, which, when I was growing up there, was part of the second safest Republican congressional district in the country, but it's close.

    I do know a couple Clinton signs in the I-83 to Hanover back roads.  But Trump certainly is overwhelming here.

    And Davis, why the heck didn't you tell me you were passing through?  Or did you go a different route to avoid the bridge that's out on PA-216?

    Damn bridge has been out for ages now.

    No, I was just in a hurry to get back for handball. I'll bring a couple hand rolled next time thru.
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  • MartelMartel Somewhere in PAPosts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭
    Sounds good.

    The bridge is almost done, so should help with that ride.  I rarely use the official detour.  If you are heading east and go all the way to the bridge and turn left, it's a nice winding drive.  But you have to watch out for deer.  Oh, but there's another eagle nest somewhere in there; I've seen one flying over a farm, probably looking for lambs or chickens.
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  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat West TNPosts: 5,188 ✭✭✭✭✭
    or poodles?
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  • webmostwebmost Dull-AwarePosts: 6,099 ✭✭✭✭✭
    or poodles?
    Yeah, matter of fact, poodles too. Year before last, Bearswatter and I were keeping an eye every day on the Eagle nest at Codorus. Papa eagle did bring up the carcass of what surely appeared to be a dog. Dunno whether he picked up carrion or snatched up Fluffy.
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  • CrisiusCrisius Hoquiam, WAPosts: 430 ✭✭✭
    Even in the middle of Liberal-Ville (WA) I see mostly Trump signs, I've literally seen 4 people with Hillary signs in the last 2 months. See a lot of "Hillary for Prison" signs as well.

    I drive a lot for my job (300 miles a day on average) and truly have seen very little support for Hillary. It really makes me wonder where she gets the "numbers" from.
  • jlmartajlmarta 50 miles from ParadisePosts: 7,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Crisius said:
    ..... have seen very little support for Hillary. It really makes me wonder where she gets the "numbers" from.
    Ya gotta remember, the numbers (and a whole lot more) are published by the media and it's a proven fact that the media will slant anything in a liberal direction. 

    Between hollywood celebrities and the media it makes one wonder just how can so many people be so blind (read 'dumb') to the truth. 
  • jgibvjgibv John G.Posts: 9,265 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the neighbors around here have been busy putting out their SPOOKY halloween decorations...... :D



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  • TNBigfoot68TNBigfoot68 Where Bigfoots live, in the woodsPosts: 1,928 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was in a huge souvenir shop in a popular tourist town they were trump signs and Hillary for prison  signs for sale. No Hillary signs. I honestly think the polls are rigged and many who will be voting for trump are keeping quiet till election day!  I predict an overwhelming voter turnout for trump and he will need it because I believe Hillary will get the graveyard votes in record #  
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  • MartelMartel Somewhere in PAPosts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭
    Jacking this again, but wanted to let @webmost that the bridge opened yesterday.

    I know a couple of professional pollsters, both just acquaintances, not really friends.  One studies social and generational trends.  The other is political.  I know some "polls" are rigged, but there are good ones out there using really good methodology--not just calling land lines or gauging online readers' echo chamber responses.  Both of these guys would tell you there are limitations in the polls, though they will also say Hillary seems to have a commanding lead when it comes to ways to win the election.  Something like 70-80% odds of winning. I know these guys have no dog in the fight, so to speak.
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  • webmostwebmost Dull-AwarePosts: 6,099 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Which ones do they show on the toob? The "good" ones, or the crappy ones?

    Regardless of polls before the day, I predict record voter fraud will be the deciding factor. 

    Don't we all wish the running mates were the whole ticket?



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  • CrisiusCrisius Hoquiam, WAPosts: 430 ✭✭✭
    Martel said:
    Jacking this again, but wanted to let @webmost that the bridge opened yesterday.

    I know a couple of professional pollsters, both just acquaintances, not really friends.  One studies social and generational trends.  The other is political.  I know some "polls" are rigged, but there are good ones out there using really good methodology--not just calling land lines or gauging online readers' echo chamber responses.  Both of these guys would tell you there are limitations in the polls, though they will also say Hillary seems to have a commanding lead when it comes to ways to win the election.  Something like 70-80% odds of winning. I know these guys have no dog in the fight, so to speak.


    Where do they get these odds, she has 6 supporters here that I have seen. While I have seen 1000's of Trump supporters. If it's like that across the rest of the country it would be more like a 1-2% chance of winning. Any good one that says Hillary is gonna win it clearly isn't very good.
  • Puff_DougiePuff_Dougie Mr. Rogers NeighborhoodPosts: 4,601 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I rack up tons of miles every day, driving throughout Western PA in the counties around Pittsburgh. I've seen the same phenomenon here. Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump go the signs. First time I thought I spotted a Clinton sign it said: "Hillary for Prison 2016." I can count the Hillary signs I've seen on one hand.

    But if I count the headstones in the local cemeteries, the likely Clinton voters outnumber the Trumpers by a very wide margin.
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    My dad voted Republican all of his life.  But now that he's dead, he only votes Democrat.
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  • Puff_DougiePuff_Dougie Mr. Rogers NeighborhoodPosts: 4,601 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • MartelMartel Somewhere in PAPosts: 3,304 ✭✭✭✭
    Drove from Hanover down to Leesburg, VA today.  Trump signs certainly outnumbered Hillary, but I did see more than a handful for her.

    I guess the point I'm making by talking about the polls is that yard signs are hardly a fair or scientific indicator.  Heck, I know married couples that are voting differently this election, and in one case, he's put a Trump sign in his yard.  She allows it because it's not her nature to fuss.  And they have some voting age kids at home.  I have no idea what they're doing.  
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  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat West TNPosts: 5,188 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the Trump folks want people to know.  I know a bunch of people who will be voting for Hillary, but they're not exactly announcing it, or all that thrilled to admit it.
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  • jlmartajlmarta 50 miles from ParadisePosts: 7,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the Trump folks want people to know.  I know a bunch of people who will be voting for Hillary, but they're not exactly announcing it, or all that thrilled to admit it.
    And rightly so - would you want everyone to know that you plan to vote for a liar, a sneak, and a thief?
  • webmostwebmost Dull-AwarePosts: 6,099 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jlmarta said:
    I think the Trump folks want people to know.  I know a bunch of people who will be voting for Hillary, but they're not exactly announcing it, or all that thrilled to admit it.
    And rightly so - would you want everyone to know that you plan to vote for a liar, a sneak, and a thief?
    Ehhhhh... which one you talking about now?
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  • YaksterYakster I'm on a Buying FreezePosts: 11,782 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, I'm confused. 
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  • jlmartajlmarta 50 miles from ParadisePosts: 7,392 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, I wasn't referring to Trump, that's for sure....   B)
  • Rockethead26Rockethead26 Flagstaff, AZPosts: 298 ✭✭✭✭
    webmost said:
    jlmarta said:
    I think the Trump folks want people to know.  I know a bunch of people who will be voting for Hillary, but they're not exactly announcing it, or all that thrilled to admit it.
    And rightly so - would you want everyone to know that you plan to vote for a liar, a sneak, and a thief?
    Ehhhhh... which one you talking about now?
    Well, if the poster had added philanderer, misogynist, and racist it would have been more clear.
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  • CrisiusCrisius Hoquiam, WAPosts: 430 ✭✭✭
    webmost said:
    jlmarta said:
    I think the Trump folks want people to know.  I know a bunch of people who will be voting for Hillary, but they're not exactly announcing it, or all that thrilled to admit it.
    And rightly so - would you want everyone to know that you plan to vote for a liar, a sneak, and a thief?
    Ehhhhh... which one you talking about now?
    Well, if the poster had added philanderer, misogynist, and racist it would have been more clear.
    Yeah, about as clear as the black coffee I have every morning that looks like mud scraped off the bottom of the Mississippi river.... around the same consistency sometimes too....
  • webmostwebmost Dull-AwarePosts: 6,099 ✭✭✭✭✭
    "philanderer, misogynist, and racist"

    If I had the money, I would surely philander. No doubt about it. None whatsoever. You?

    I don't get the misogynist accusation whatsoever. What, because a womanly shaped
    woman is too fat to be a beauty queen, and he said so? Are we in an obese country or not? Last I heard, we're most all fat.

    Racist, at this point, is just a stupid knee jerk reaction Democrats use on everyone who opposes them. Is Mexican a race? Is Islamic terrorist a race? Neither, last time I checked. I don't find the constant race baiting a good thing at all. 


    In fact, just stop it with all the isms, altogether. An ism is just a convenient way for a liberal to stop thinking and start hating.





    There's plenty of ways to know he's a blowhard without those horse pebbles.


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  • Amos_UmwhatAmos_Umwhat West TNPosts: 5,188 ✭✭✭✭✭
    webmost


    In fact, just stop it with all the isms, altogether. An ism is just a convenient way for a hater to stop thinking and start hating.







    Fixed it for you.
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  • Rockethead26Rockethead26 Flagstaff, AZPosts: 298 ✭✭✭✭
    webmost said:
    "philanderer, misogynist, and racist"

    If I had the money, I would surely philander. No doubt about it. None whatsoever. You?

    I don't get the misogynist accusation whatsoever. What, because a womanly shaped
    woman is too fat to be a beauty queen, and he said so? Are we in an obese country or not? Last I heard, we're most all fat.

    Racist, at this point, is just a stupid knee jerk reaction Democrats use on everyone who opposes them. Is Mexican a race? Is Islamic terrorist a race? Neither, last time I checked. I don't find the constant race baiting a good thing at all. 


    In fact, just stop it with all the isms, altogether. An ism is just a convenient way for a liberal to stop thinking and start hating.





    There's plenty of ways to know he's a blowhard without those horse pebbles.


    There are many more examples of his misogynistic attitude and comments and you're being pedantic on today's general use of the word racism.

    As to you assuming that I would ever fool around on my loving wife and best friend of twenty-two years if I had more money, well, you shouldn't project your own lack of morals on others. Assumptions are the basis of racism as well, regardless of the misuse of the word in today's society. The meaning is very clear.

    I usually don't respond to such taunts, but this was too much.
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