@YankeeMan said:
They're not Victor Sinclairs, but they're OK.
Are you saying the Victor Sinclair's are the best cigard in the world?
He's either being facetious, or he's lost his sense of taste to Covid, or he's lost his mind. You choose.
Of course, he's a Gurkha fan, so he might be serious. As the saying goes, there's no accounting for taste.
I had a bunch of VS gifted to me last Christmas that I keep on hand for company that doesn't normally smoke. When I caught the Covid I did smoke about a dozen of 'em.
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At any given time the urge to sing "In The Jungle" is just a whim away... A whim away... A whim away...
I might be crazy (I am) but I noticed a very distinct difference in the quality and taste of the Davidoff cigars I bought and smoked in N Va and the ones I bought here. Regardless they are overpriced.
@YankeeMan said:
They're not Victor Sinclairs, but they're OK.
Are you saying the Victor Sinclair's are the best cigard in the world?
He's either being facetious, or he's lost his sense of taste to Covid, or he's lost his mind. You choose.
Of course, he's a Gurkha fan, so he might be serious. As the saying goes, there's no accounting for taste.
That's me trying to be funny. I do smoke one from time to time but they are a decent though not spectacular cigar. I've said this before, someone besides me is buying them.
@YankeeMan said:
They're not Victor Sinclairs, but they're OK.
Are you saying the Victor Sinclair's are the best cigard in the world?
He's either being facetious, or he's lost his sense of taste to Covid, or he's lost his mind. You choose.
Of course, he's a Gurkha fan, so he might be serious. As the saying goes, there's no accounting for taste.
That's me trying to be funny. I do smoke one from time to time but they are a decent though not spectacular cigar. I've said this before, someone besides me is buying them.
LOL, wet/dry cardboard is at least a flavor(s), albeit an undesirable one for most folks. A lot of the cheap bulk blends taste similar IMO. This thread reminds me of one of the all time most hated: Cremosa Cubanos! The old timers will remember those. I started cracking up just thinking about them.
@YankeeMan said:
They're not Victor Sinclairs, but they're OK.
Are you saying the Victor Sinclair's are the best cigard in the world?
He's either being facetious, or he's lost his sense of taste to Covid, or he's lost his mind. You choose.
Of course, he's a Gurkha fan, so he might be serious. As the saying goes, there's no accounting for taste.
That's me trying to be funny. I do smoke one from time to time but they are a decent though not spectacular cigar. I've said this before, someone besides me is buying them.
Just being goofy myself. I have had good Gurkhas, when they're good they're really good, and at least one VS that was actually really good. I was surprised. Something I got in COTMC. Imperial? Seems like it sounded something like that, although it's been awhile and my memory is about as reliable as an AMC Gremlin. (That's an ancient car, for those too young to remember)
If the Gurkha's in general would be as good as the ones that are good, I'd buy them all the time. However, a 70% fail rate is too high for me.
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@jd50ae said:
I might be crazy (I am) but I noticed a very distinct difference in the quality and taste of the Davidoff cigars I bought and smoked in N Va and the ones I bought here. Regardless they are overpriced.
If they are over priced then what is a cheaper cigar but with equal quality to a Davidoff?
@jd50ae said:
I might be crazy (I am) but I noticed a very distinct difference in the quality and taste of the Davidoff cigars I bought and smoked in N Va and the ones I bought here. Regardless they are overpriced.
If they are over priced then what is a cheaper cigar but with equal quality to a Davidoff?
Again. That’s like asking a Ferrari owner what’s a comparable Corvette to a Ferrari. As QC goes their might not be a comparison.
@jd50ae said:
I might be crazy (I am) but I noticed a very distinct difference in the quality and taste of the Davidoff cigars I bought and smoked in N Va and the ones I bought here. Regardless they are overpriced.
If they are over priced then what is a cheaper cigar but with equal quality to a Davidoff?
Dunbarton and Trust. Anything from Saka has great quality and the sticks are all awesome. Davidoff can't hold Sakas nuts when it comes to great cigars.
"I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form." -- Winston Churchill "LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
If they are over priced then what is a cheaper cigar but with equal quality to a Davidoff?
Only you can decide if they're over-priced, or if the price matches what you derive from smoking them. Some forum members think they are a great value.
@jd50ae said:
I might be crazy (I am) but I noticed a very distinct difference in the quality and taste of the Davidoff cigars I bought and smoked in N Va and the ones I bought here. Regardless they are overpriced.
If they are over priced then what is a cheaper cigar but with equal quality to a Davidoff?
Dunbarton and Trust. Anything from Saka has great quality and the sticks are all awesome. Davidoff can't hold Sakas nuts when it comes to great cigars.
No doubt Saka is in Cooperstown as a Master Blender but I’m not sure I would lump Joya de Nicarugua’s factory in with Davidoff’s.
@jd50ae said:
I might be crazy (I am) but I noticed a very distinct difference in the quality and taste of the Davidoff cigars I bought and smoked in N Va and the ones I bought here. Regardless they are overpriced.
If they are over priced then what is a cheaper cigar but with equal quality to a Davidoff?
Dunbarton and Trust. Anything from Saka has great quality and the sticks are all awesome. Davidoff can't hold Sakas nuts when it comes to great cigars.
No doubt Saka is in Cooperstown as a Master Blender but I’m not sure I would lump Joya de Nicarugua’s factory in with Davidoff’s.
Actually, not all are made at Joya. But I can tell you that 99.9% of saka sticks I smoke have zero issues and are a pleasurable experience when it comes to construction. Blending, well thats isn't even close. Refer to above comment. Also, Joya was cigar factory of the year in 2019 🤷♂️
"I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form." -- Winston Churchill "LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
@jd50ae said:
I might be crazy (I am) but I noticed a very distinct difference in the quality and taste of the Davidoff cigars I bought and smoked in N Va and the ones I bought here. Regardless they are overpriced.
If they are over priced then what is a cheaper cigar but with equal quality to a Davidoff?
Dunbarton and Trust. Anything from Saka has great quality and the sticks are all awesome. Davidoff can't hold Sakas nuts when it comes to great cigars.
No doubt Saka is in Cooperstown as a Master Blender but I’m not sure I would lump Joya de Nicarugua’s factory in with Davidoff’s.
Actually, not all are made at Joya. But I can tell you that 99.9% of saka sticks I smoke have zero issues and are a pleasurable experience when it comes to construction. Blending, well thats isn't even close. Refer to above comment
No doubt. Even the few Saka I’ve smoked have been great. My next box purchase (mi querida Firecrackers 🧨 ) is days away but overall QC you have to give it to Davidoff. The volume they put out with so few issues is amazing in and of itself.
Two differences between saka and davidoff
1) no saka sticks suck, most davidoff do
2) cost. Beside sin comprimoso, they are under 10 bucks for the most part.
"I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form." -- Winston Churchill "LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
If they are over priced then what is a cheaper cigar but with equal quality to a Davidoff?
Only you can decide if they're over-priced, or if the price matches what you derive from smoking them. Some forum members think they are a great value.
I love me some Davidoff cigars, heck, even their cigarettes are top notch, but a great value they are not. It's pretty amazing what you can get for $3 with a little patience, research, and a dash of luck. They make a fine product but burning $20 bills isn't really a value for many, myself included. If I was in a much higher income bracket it may be different. I'd smoke Winston Churchill and Davidoff Nicaraguan cigars while watching my landscaping crew mow the lawn: aka yard gars.
Talking pure quality and absolute volume, perdomo is an equal, and all of their sticks cost far less than davidoff. Every perdomo stick draws absolutely perfectly and tastes exactly like every other from that line. They control every single aspect down to the gnat's ass, from picking out individual seeds under a microscope to printing bands, making cello, and building boxes. Every cigar goes through draw testing. He was the first manufacturer to freeze cigars to eliminate beetles, which adds zero value to his product and costs extra money. 30 percent of his staff is quality assurance. Everything comes out to very exacting standards.
You can say what you want about what each one tastes like and which one is better. I'm guessing that a lot of davidoff's price point comes from tobacco costs and storing the tobacco for years and operating in the Dominican republic versus Nicaragua.
Ultimately, I'll agree with Nick. For less than ten bucks a stick, nobody can touch saka. He delays blends because there is a curl in a burn or something is a hair off. Currently, he has a moratorium on new accounts because he wants to fully serve the accounts he has and is absolutely refusing to rush any of his product to market. And the argument about joya is lunacy. Every factory produces shït, "overruns," "seconds," and short fill, to include davidoff. Saka has dedicated space, tobacco, and rollers; he's just using the facility.
@jd50ae said:
I might be crazy (I am) but I noticed a very distinct difference in the quality and taste of the Davidoff cigars I bought and smoked in N Va and the ones I bought here. Regardless they are overpriced.
If they are over priced then what is a cheaper cigar but with equal quality to a Davidoff?
Dunbarton and Trust. Anything from Saka has great quality and the sticks are all awesome. Davidoff can't hold Sakas nuts when it comes to great cigars.
How would you rate Dunbarton and Trust srengthwise: mild, medium or strong?
If you like the davidoff blend style, look for stuff done by Hendrick Kelner. He does a lot (or all?) of the Davidoff blends. Some of his blends are AVO, the Griffins, smoking jacket, Zino... can be much cheaper.
But they arent a Davidoff.
If you just want a really nice cigar, some of the brands others mentioned are great choices.
@jd50ae said:
I might be crazy (I am) but I noticed a very distinct difference in the quality and taste of the Davidoff cigars I bought and smoked in N Va and the ones I bought here. Regardless they are overpriced.
If they are over priced then what is a cheaper cigar but with equal quality to a Davidoff?
Dunbarton and Trust. Anything from Saka has great quality and the sticks are all awesome. Davidoff can't hold Sakas nuts when it comes to great cigars.
How would you rate Dunbarton and Trust srengthwise: mild, medium or strong?
They have em all
"I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form." -- Winston Churchill "LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
Another aspect of Davidoff blends is the chewy, velvety, ultra creamy, and viscous smoke that even the lighter blends put off. This is often unappreciated. Rich smoke adds to the enjoyment of a cigar. Not simply sheer volume, as no one enjoys thin/airy smoke, but luxurious supple smoke. It's hard to explain if you haven't experienced it but with Davidoff cigars it really shines through.
I still remember my first one. My first Davidoff and my first Padron were really eye opening for me. So much flavor in such a mild mannered cigar with luscious velvety smoke blew me away and then i finally "got it" if you will. I've also smoked some a bit too fast and been reminded that there is plenty of nicotine in there as well, even though the smoothness and richness of smoke may lull you into believing otherwise. Definitely a retrohale every puff cigar for me.
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I had a bunch of VS gifted to me last Christmas that I keep on hand for company that doesn't normally smoke. When I caught the Covid I did smoke about a dozen of 'em.
At any given time the urge to sing "In The Jungle" is just a whim away... A whim away... A whim away...
I might be crazy (I am) but I noticed a very distinct difference in the quality and taste of the Davidoff cigars I bought and smoked in N Va and the ones I bought here. Regardless they are overpriced.
That's me trying to be funny. I do smoke one from time to time but they are a decent though not spectacular cigar. I've said this before, someone besides me is buying them.
LOL, wet/dry cardboard is at least a flavor(s), albeit an undesirable one for most folks. A lot of the cheap bulk blends taste similar IMO. This thread reminds me of one of the all time most hated: Cremosa Cubanos! The old timers will remember those. I started cracking up just thinking about them.
Just being goofy myself. I have had good Gurkhas, when they're good they're really good, and at least one VS that was actually really good. I was surprised. Something I got in COTMC. Imperial? Seems like it sounded something like that, although it's been awhile and my memory is about as reliable as an AMC Gremlin. (That's an ancient car, for those too young to remember)
If the Gurkha's in general would be as good as the ones that are good, I'd buy them all the time. However, a 70% fail rate is too high for me.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
If they are over priced then what is a cheaper cigar but with equal quality to a Davidoff?
Again. That’s like asking a Ferrari owner what’s a comparable Corvette to a Ferrari. As QC goes their might not be a comparison.
This might give you some idea the lengths Davidoff goes to:
I think the question remains, can you taste the extra time, effort, and $$$ that go into a Davidoff?
Dunbarton and Trust. Anything from Saka has great quality and the sticks are all awesome. Davidoff can't hold Sakas nuts when it comes to great cigars.
-- Winston Churchill
"LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
Only you can decide if they're over-priced, or if the price matches what you derive from smoking them. Some forum members think they are a great value.
No doubt Saka is in Cooperstown as a Master Blender but I’m not sure I would lump Joya de Nicarugua’s factory in with Davidoff’s.
Actually, not all are made at Joya. But I can tell you that 99.9% of saka sticks I smoke have zero issues and are a pleasurable experience when it comes to construction. Blending, well thats isn't even close. Refer to above comment. Also, Joya was cigar factory of the year in 2019 🤷♂️
-- Winston Churchill
"LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
No doubt. Even the few Saka I’ve smoked have been great. My next box purchase (mi querida Firecrackers 🧨 ) is days away but overall QC you have to give it to Davidoff. The volume they put out with so few issues is amazing in and of itself.
Not a whole lot of overlap in flavor profile AFAIK between Davidoff and DTT, but I do love Saka cigars.
Two differences between saka and davidoff
1) no saka sticks suck, most davidoff do
2) cost. Beside sin comprimoso, they are under 10 bucks for the most part.
-- Winston Churchill
"LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
I love me some Davidoff cigars, heck, even their cigarettes are top notch, but a great value they are not. It's pretty amazing what you can get for $3 with a little patience, research, and a dash of luck. They make a fine product but burning $20 bills isn't really a value for many, myself included. If I was in a much higher income bracket it may be different. I'd smoke Winston Churchill and Davidoff Nicaraguan cigars while watching my landscaping crew mow the lawn: aka yard gars.
Talking pure quality and absolute volume, perdomo is an equal, and all of their sticks cost far less than davidoff. Every perdomo stick draws absolutely perfectly and tastes exactly like every other from that line. They control every single aspect down to the gnat's ass, from picking out individual seeds under a microscope to printing bands, making cello, and building boxes. Every cigar goes through draw testing. He was the first manufacturer to freeze cigars to eliminate beetles, which adds zero value to his product and costs extra money. 30 percent of his staff is quality assurance. Everything comes out to very exacting standards.
You can say what you want about what each one tastes like and which one is better. I'm guessing that a lot of davidoff's price point comes from tobacco costs and storing the tobacco for years and operating in the Dominican republic versus Nicaragua.
Ultimately, I'll agree with Nick. For less than ten bucks a stick, nobody can touch saka. He delays blends because there is a curl in a burn or something is a hair off. Currently, he has a moratorium on new accounts because he wants to fully serve the accounts he has and is absolutely refusing to rush any of his product to market. And the argument about joya is lunacy. Every factory produces shït, "overruns," "seconds," and short fill, to include davidoff. Saka has dedicated space, tobacco, and rollers; he's just using the facility.
How would you rate Dunbarton and Trust srengthwise: mild, medium or strong?
Yes. TDL will kick your butt. Brûlée is mild-med. Most of the other stuff is medium or med-full.
If you like the davidoff blend style, look for stuff done by Hendrick Kelner. He does a lot (or all?) of the Davidoff blends. Some of his blends are AVO, the Griffins, smoking jacket, Zino... can be much cheaper.
But they arent a Davidoff.
If you just want a really nice cigar, some of the brands others mentioned are great choices.
Mr @VegasFrank . I didn’t say anything bad about Joya..... they just aren’t Davidoff.
They have em all
-- Winston Churchill
"LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
Another aspect of Davidoff blends is the chewy, velvety, ultra creamy, and viscous smoke that even the lighter blends put off. This is often unappreciated. Rich smoke adds to the enjoyment of a cigar. Not simply sheer volume, as no one enjoys thin/airy smoke, but luxurious supple smoke. It's hard to explain if you haven't experienced it but with Davidoff cigars it really shines through.
I still remember my first one. My first Davidoff and my first Padron were really eye opening for me. So much flavor in such a mild mannered cigar with luscious velvety smoke blew me away and then i finally "got it" if you will. I've also smoked some a bit too fast and been reminded that there is plenty of nicotine in there as well, even though the smoothness and richness of smoke may lull you into believing otherwise. Definitely a retrohale every puff cigar for me.