@CalvinAndHobo , a couple quick points while I wait for coffee. Much of my intention, which was left unsaid because it was expected to be understood, has been missed. Much of what you brought to the conversation was never considered by me, because it was not part of what I intended. An analogy, I am headed north west on highway 96, you jumped off going southwest on highway 100 and then you wonder why I'm not meeting you in Centerville. We're not going to the same place with this.
In other news, when I left home the crew was running the line for the new phone service down my road. Yay. We may not have to have that January 6 moment at the county seat.
I don't know the project completion date, but I do wonder if I will now have to upgrade my 9 year old computer.
It's always something. Thanks for the well wishes, guys. I hope we're finally through the valley and starting to climb out of the hole. It's been taxing to say the least.
I think maybe my avatar is partly to blame for people projecting anger into my posts when none is intended. I was trying to figure out how to get different effects on my phone/camera and look so serious. I may need to change that.
WARNING: The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme. Proceed at your own risk.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
@Amos_Umwhat said: @CalvinAndHobo , a couple quick points while I wait for coffee. Much of my intention, which was left unsaid because it was expected to be understood, has been missed. Much of what you brought to the conversation was never considered by me, because it was not part of what I intended. An analogy, I am headed north west on highway 96, you jumped off going southwest on highway 100 and then you wonder why I'm not meeting you in Centerville. We're not going to the same place with this.
In other news, when I left home the crew was running the line for the new phone service down my road. Yay. We may not have to have that January 6 moment at the county seat.
I don't know the project completion date, but I do wonder if I will now have to upgrade my 9 year old computer.
It's always something. Thanks for the well wishes, guys. I hope we're finally through the valley and starting to climb out of the hole. It's been taxing to say the least.
I think maybe my avatar is partly to blame for people projecting anger into my posts when none is intended. I was trying to figure out how to get different effects on my phone/camera and look so serious. I may need to change that.
It could very well be that because I'm angry about the problems with the country, I'm assuming you and everyone else are also. The only part I'm trying to push back on, is that the cause of these problems is 20-30 year olds born between 1990 and 2000. I personally blame a group of 1,000 or so people, aka our elected officials and federal reserve board of governors much more so than some aholes abusing the system they created.
With that being said, if you want to make fun of us for having bad taste in music, or spending too much time on our phones, I'm all for it, as long as you can take the jokes in return. For example, let me know if you need help installing Zoom and logging on once you have adequate internet
........as long as you can take the jokes in return. For example, let me know if you need help installing Zoom and logging on once you have adequate internet
That's not funny. That's not a joke. That's awesomely fabulous.
........as long as you can take the jokes in return. For example, let me know if you need help installing Zoom and logging on once you have adequate internet
That's not funny. That's not a joke. That's awesomely fabulous.
Calvin, let me say that two of the weak, needy, entitled persons that I was referring to were my first wife, dead of an overdose at 39, and her brother, who just died a couple weeks ago at 63 after running through all of his mothers money. He did once have a good job for about 3 years. Both were born in the 1950's. The phenomenon is simply growing, affecting more.
Bob, I will be in Franklin again this coming week, I plan to check out Crown Cigars if time permits. Are you familiar with it?
WARNING: The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme. Proceed at your own risk.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
@Cam_91 said:
The “greatest generation” you speak of used their African American soldiers as cannon fodder for the white soldiers behind them (same for every war and conflict up through Vietnam)
This statement has been bothering me since I read it. During WW2 African Americans joined the services to fight for a country that at the time wouldn’t let them share the same bathrooms as whites in most cases. Those men were heroes. But your statement seems to imply that they were rolled out there like unskilled “speed bumps” slowing the advanced on the troops behind them (no matter the color of their skin). African Americans fought bravely to protect not only their homeland but their brother soldiers all across the front lines. Your statement, to me, diminishes their courage and bravery. No matter the color of your skin, if you enlist, you’re a hero.
@Cam_91 said:
The “greatest generation” you speak of used their African American soldiers as cannon fodder for the white soldiers behind them (same for every war and conflict up through Vietnam)
This statement has been bothering me since I read it. During WW2 African Americans joined the services to fight for a country that at the time wouldn’t let them share the same bathrooms as whites in most cases. Those men were heroes. But your statement seems to imply that they were rolled out there like unskilled “speed bumps” slowing the advanced on the troops behind them (no matter the color of their skin). African Americans fought bravely to protect not only their homeland but their brother soldiers all across the front lines. Your statement, to me, diminishes their courage and bravery. No matter the color of your skin, if you enlist, you’re a hero.
It should upset you. And just because they were intended as cannon fodder doesn’t mean they perished. Search “Harlem Hellfighters” of WWI, baddass mf’s. I’m in complete agreement with your heroism statement, but also Pete let’s not forget that these men, considered heroes by you and I, came home to experience sustained racism and bigotry. They weren’t seen as hero’s the same way you and I view them. Let’s get off this because writing in text isn’t doing this subject any justice. I’ll leave with this excerpt from ArmyHistory.org
“Expecting to come home heroes, black soldiers received a rude awakening upon their return. Back home, many whites feared that African Americans would return demanding equality and would try to attain it by employing their military training. As the troops returned, there was an increase of racial tension. During the summer and fall of 1919, anti-black race riots erupted in twenty-six cities across America. The lynching of blacks also increased from fifty-eight in 1918 to seventy-seven in 1919. At least ten of those victims were war veterans, and some were lynched while in uniform. Despite this treatment, African American men continued to enlist in the military, including veterans of World War I that came home to such violence and ingratitude. They served their county in the brief period of peace after the World War I, and many went on to fight in World War II. It was not until the 1948 that President Harry S Truman issued an executive order to desegregate the military, although it took the Korean War to fully integrate the Army. African Americans finally began to receive the equal treatment their predecessors had earned in combat in France during World War I, and as far back as the American Revolution.“
I thought this was gonna be the sister thread to bum of the week and camel toe of the day. Boy was I surprised to not see any tig ol bitties lurking.
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As for my opinion on the content of the thread, the OP is right, and Cam is right. They were the greatest generation, and they were racist fücks. I'm thankful for them, and I wouldn't let them (the racist fücks) in my house with my little black daughter. I realize that the hatred was both evil and engrained through a strong culture. In that manner, I blame the racist fücks less than most do because they were mostly ignorant simpletons, much like 90 percent of all confederate troops in the 1860s.
So with that hot take, I've sufficiently pissed off both sides, and now everyone thinks I'm wrong.
Just another day....
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A friend's father, who was himself a part of the greatest generation, was named Francis. He went by Fran, or Frannie to those close to him. You should let us call you Frannie.
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Society is like a flock of birds all swirling round together. Each bird flits with the flock. The whole ball of birds twirls & agitates up out of the trees & gets somewhere else by who knows what. No one bird knows. Or think of a coral reef. Each coral is an individual animalcule until corals clump. On one rock the clump forms something that looks like a brain; on another they form something looks like a tumbleweed. Likewise, any hive has a life of its own, a hive life, distinct from each insect life.
Look how many times in our era we have seen society take on an overarching life of its own so that dumb schidt happens which nobody wants. It's a Spenglerian opera out there. A form of life larger than ourselves is what steers our fates. Civilization is alive, and we are its prey.
Think of the bait ball. There may be a pack of hunting yellowfins driving the baitfish to the surface. There may be a flock of gannets picking off the baitfish as they leap out of the water. There may be a fisherman trolling a lure made to look like a baitfish through the ruckus, hoping to catch a yellowfin. But you can't blame any of the baitfish for where the bait ball goes. They are each just looking to go with the flow.
I haven't read Spengler since college.
Just now ordered his two volume work to read again. Turgid German scholarese... but real good stuff.
He predicted it all a hundred years ago... and was pretty darn accurate, too.
“It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
Another interesting story that made waves was a remark from Best Buy (BBY) CEO Corie Barry on a post-earnings interview. She told CNBC that the rise of organized crime is a "horrible change" for the "trajectory of the business" and the electronics retailer is "working hard to try to stem" loosely organized bands of thieves who have targeted the firm's locations. Barry also noted that Best Buy was among many retailers who have faced a spike in these attacks and has put measures in place to prevent the thefts, such as locking up certain products and working with local law enforcement.
Shares of BBY also tumbled 12% following the gross margin decline, but the stock is up 17% in the six weeks before earnings, so it now stands where it traded in the middle part of October.
Outlook: Kroger previously highlighted organized crime as a reason for its reduced margins when it reported quarterly results back in September. Over in San Francisco, Louis Vuitton (OTCPK:LVMHF), Burberry (OTCPK:BBRYF) and Hermes (OTCPK:HESAF) stores were ransacked last weekend, while a raid on a Nordstrom in nearby Walnut Creek was even more brazen. Just before closing time, some 80 people jumped out of a group of cars and assaulted two employees before escaping with hands full of merchandise.
Back in the '80s, there was a store called Best. They carried all sorts of stuff, like a department store. But all they had in the store were display units of every item. When you wanted to purchase something you'd take a tag to the checkout, pay for it, and then they'd bring it to your car or the front door. It was a bit clunky, but wouldn't doubt if some of these places go back to something similar.
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"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Historically, @jlmarta Marty's post is accurate.
Great empires self destructed.
All of them failed within.
Once the citizens grew disgruntled, it was only a matter of time before the empire crumbled. Few (China, Japan, Englund) have managed to maintain a semblance of their empires and they have failed several times, to be "saved" and rebuilt.
Every country, kingdom, society has failed at one time or another, because their govt over-extended and the people no longer supported their govt.
When the king no longer has the loyalty of his citizens, he is no longer king.
As for the racist part of it and the wars...
A Salish-Kootenai indian was one of the people raising the flag at Iwo Jima, in that famous picture. Staged or not, he represented his/my people and was proud of that.
At that point, he was American. Louis Charlo enlisted when he was 17.
As did several other members of the tribe.
My own father would enlist in the military at 17.
Was their racism? Absolutely.
I won't disagree with @Cam_91 , because in one aspect, he is correct.
Globally, the things that happened within the early days of the United States was nothing new and blaming the whole of the people for the actions of a portion is incorrect.
No matter what, comments that are all inclusive are always false.
My opinion. I know I'll get several disagrees.
In Fumo Pax Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
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A couple of stories to illustrate my point without having to get too explainy...
My mom grew up mostly in Mississippi, her dad was a cop for a long time down there. One of her older brothers got into a fight in the woods on the way home from school. She ran home and told her dad. Her dad (who I grew up calling Papaw) went out to the woods to see what was going on. When he arrived, his son stopped and approached him, thinking he'd be in trouble. However, my Papaw simply asked if the fight was finished, the answer was "no." So my Papaw told his son to get back out there and finish it. His son lost the fight, but my Papaw wasn't concerned with that, he was teaching my uncle to have grit.
I know that plenty of parents back then wouldn't have said this to their kids, but I think even fewer would say it these days.
A woman in Philadelphia was raped on a train while other people stood by and watched. Sure, some recorded the incident with their cell phones so that the guy couldn't weasel his way out of charges, but that doesn't save the woman from trauma and pain, does it?
Generally speaking, we have grown soft, or weak like the Sheik says in the original posters comment.
"Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17
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@CalvinAndHobo , a couple quick points while I wait for coffee. Much of my intention, which was left unsaid because it was expected to be understood, has been missed. Much of what you brought to the conversation was never considered by me, because it was not part of what I intended. An analogy, I am headed north west on highway 96, you jumped off going southwest on highway 100 and then you wonder why I'm not meeting you in Centerville. We're not going to the same place with this.
In other news, when I left home the crew was running the line for the new phone service down my road. Yay. We may not have to have that January 6 moment at the county seat.
I don't know the project completion date, but I do wonder if I will now have to upgrade my 9 year old computer.
It's always something. Thanks for the well wishes, guys. I hope we're finally through the valley and starting to climb out of the hole. It's been taxing to say the least.
I think maybe my avatar is partly to blame for people projecting anger into my posts when none is intended. I was trying to figure out how to get different effects on my phone/camera and look so serious. I may need to change that.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
It could very well be that because I'm angry about the problems with the country, I'm assuming you and everyone else are also. The only part I'm trying to push back on, is that the cause of these problems is 20-30 year olds born between 1990 and 2000. I personally blame a group of 1,000 or so people, aka our elected officials and federal reserve board of governors much more so than some aholes abusing the system they created.
With that being said, if you want to make fun of us for having bad taste in music, or spending too much time on our phones, I'm all for it, as long as you can take the jokes in return. For example, let me know if you need help installing Zoom and logging on once you have adequate internet
........as long as you can take the jokes in return. For example, let me know if you need help installing Zoom and logging on once you have adequate internet
That's not funny. That's not a joke. That's awesomely fabulous.
Calvin, let me say that two of the weak, needy, entitled persons that I was referring to were my first wife, dead of an overdose at 39, and her brother, who just died a couple weeks ago at 63 after running through all of his mothers money. He did once have a good job for about 3 years. Both were born in the 1950's. The phenomenon is simply growing, affecting more.
Bob, I will be in Franklin again this coming week, I plan to check out Crown Cigars if time permits. Are you familiar with it?
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
This statement has been bothering me since I read it. During WW2 African Americans joined the services to fight for a country that at the time wouldn’t let them share the same bathrooms as whites in most cases. Those men were heroes. But your statement seems to imply that they were rolled out there like unskilled “speed bumps” slowing the advanced on the troops behind them (no matter the color of their skin). African Americans fought bravely to protect not only their homeland but their brother soldiers all across the front lines. Your statement, to me, diminishes their courage and bravery. No matter the color of your skin, if you enlist, you’re a hero.
It should upset you. And just because they were intended as cannon fodder doesn’t mean they perished. Search “Harlem Hellfighters” of WWI, baddass mf’s. I’m in complete agreement with your heroism statement, but also Pete let’s not forget that these men, considered heroes by you and I, came home to experience sustained racism and bigotry. They weren’t seen as hero’s the same way you and I view them. Let’s get off this because writing in text isn’t doing this subject any justice. I’ll leave with this excerpt from ArmyHistory.org
“Expecting to come home heroes, black soldiers received a rude awakening upon their return. Back home, many whites feared that African Americans would return demanding equality and would try to attain it by employing their military training. As the troops returned, there was an increase of racial tension. During the summer and fall of 1919, anti-black race riots erupted in twenty-six cities across America. The lynching of blacks also increased from fifty-eight in 1918 to seventy-seven in 1919. At least ten of those victims were war veterans, and some were lynched while in uniform. Despite this treatment, African American men continued to enlist in the military, including veterans of World War I that came home to such violence and ingratitude. They served their county in the brief period of peace after the World War I, and many went on to fight in World War II. It was not until the 1948 that President Harry S Truman issued an executive order to desegregate the military, although it took the Korean War to fully integrate the Army. African Americans finally began to receive the equal treatment their predecessors had earned in combat in France during World War I, and as far back as the American Revolution.“
https://armyhistory.org/fighting-for-respect-african-american-soldiers-in-wwi/
For those who don't know who the "they" are that caused the downfall of our nation, here ya go;
Don't forget hand sanitizer.
Leave my umbrella beers out of this
I thought this was gonna be the sister thread to bum of the week and camel toe of the day. Boy was I surprised to not see any tig ol bitties lurking.
It's not too late.
As for my opinion on the content of the thread, the OP is right, and Cam is right. They were the greatest generation, and they were racist fücks. I'm thankful for them, and I wouldn't let them (the racist fücks) in my house with my little black daughter. I realize that the hatred was both evil and engrained through a strong culture. In that manner, I blame the racist fücks less than most do because they were mostly ignorant simpletons, much like 90 percent of all confederate troops in the 1860s.
So with that hot take, I've sufficiently pissed off both sides, and now everyone thinks I'm wrong.
Just another day....
You're such a thread-killer, Frank.
A friend's father, who was himself a part of the greatest generation, was named Francis. He went by Fran, or Frannie to those close to him. You should let us call you Frannie.
I'll kill ya....
Frannie you're my favorite
Yeah , frannie wins that argument
No one can be blamed because no one is in charge.
Society is like a flock of birds all swirling round together. Each bird flits with the flock. The whole ball of birds twirls & agitates up out of the trees & gets somewhere else by who knows what. No one bird knows. Or think of a coral reef. Each coral is an individual animalcule until corals clump. On one rock the clump forms something that looks like a brain; on another they form something looks like a tumbleweed. Likewise, any hive has a life of its own, a hive life, distinct from each insect life.
Look how many times in our era we have seen society take on an overarching life of its own so that dumb schidt happens which nobody wants. It's a Spenglerian opera out there. A form of life larger than ourselves is what steers our fates. Civilization is alive, and we are its prey.
Think of the bait ball. There may be a pack of hunting yellowfins driving the baitfish to the surface. There may be a flock of gannets picking off the baitfish as they leap out of the water. There may be a fisherman trolling a lure made to look like a baitfish through the ruckus, hoping to catch a yellowfin. But you can't blame any of the baitfish for where the bait ball goes. They are each just looking to go with the flow.
Who else loves Oswald Spengler
or has read:
The Decline of the West?
I haven't read Spengler since college.
Just now ordered his two volume work to read again. Turgid German scholarese... but real good stuff.
He predicted it all a hundred years ago... and was pretty darn accurate, too.
sure is a lot of this going around recently:
Another interesting story that made waves was a remark from Best Buy (BBY) CEO Corie Barry on a post-earnings interview. She told CNBC that the rise of organized crime is a "horrible change" for the "trajectory of the business" and the electronics retailer is "working hard to try to stem" loosely organized bands of thieves who have targeted the firm's locations. Barry also noted that Best Buy was among many retailers who have faced a spike in these attacks and has put measures in place to prevent the thefts, such as locking up certain products and working with local law enforcement.
Shares of BBY also tumbled 12% following the gross margin decline, but the stock is up 17% in the six weeks before earnings, so it now stands where it traded in the middle part of October.
Outlook: Kroger previously highlighted organized crime as a reason for its reduced margins when it reported quarterly results back in September. Over in San Francisco, Louis Vuitton (OTCPK:LVMHF), Burberry (OTCPK:BBRYF) and Hermes (OTCPK:HESAF) stores were ransacked last weekend, while a raid on a Nordstrom in nearby Walnut Creek was even more brazen. Just before closing time, some 80 people jumped out of a group of cars and assaulted two employees before escaping with hands full of merchandise.
Time to start shooting thieves.
Trapped in the People's Communist Republic of Massachusetts.
Back in the '80s, there was a store called Best. They carried all sorts of stuff, like a department store. But all they had in the store were display units of every item. When you wanted to purchase something you'd take a tag to the checkout, pay for it, and then they'd bring it to your car or the front door. It was a bit clunky, but wouldn't doubt if some of these places go back to something similar.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Historically, @jlmarta Marty's post is accurate.
Great empires self destructed.
All of them failed within.
Once the citizens grew disgruntled, it was only a matter of time before the empire crumbled. Few (China, Japan, Englund) have managed to maintain a semblance of their empires and they have failed several times, to be "saved" and rebuilt.
Every country, kingdom, society has failed at one time or another, because their govt over-extended and the people no longer supported their govt.
When the king no longer has the loyalty of his citizens, he is no longer king.
As for the racist part of it and the wars...
A Salish-Kootenai indian was one of the people raising the flag at Iwo Jima, in that famous picture. Staged or not, he represented his/my people and was proud of that.
At that point, he was American. Louis Charlo enlisted when he was 17.
As did several other members of the tribe.
My own father would enlist in the military at 17.
Was their racism? Absolutely.
I won't disagree with @Cam_91 , because in one aspect, he is correct.
Globally, the things that happened within the early days of the United States was nothing new and blaming the whole of the people for the actions of a portion is incorrect.
No matter what, comments that are all inclusive are always false.
My opinion. I know I'll get several disagrees.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
Happy thanksgiving tony.
You too brother. 😊
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
A couple of stories to illustrate my point without having to get too explainy...
My mom grew up mostly in Mississippi, her dad was a cop for a long time down there. One of her older brothers got into a fight in the woods on the way home from school. She ran home and told her dad. Her dad (who I grew up calling Papaw) went out to the woods to see what was going on. When he arrived, his son stopped and approached him, thinking he'd be in trouble. However, my Papaw simply asked if the fight was finished, the answer was "no." So my Papaw told his son to get back out there and finish it. His son lost the fight, but my Papaw wasn't concerned with that, he was teaching my uncle to have grit.
I know that plenty of parents back then wouldn't have said this to their kids, but I think even fewer would say it these days.
A woman in Philadelphia was raped on a train while other people stood by and watched. Sure, some recorded the incident with their cell phones so that the guy couldn't weasel his way out of charges, but that doesn't save the woman from trauma and pain, does it?
Generally speaking, we have grown soft, or weak like the Sheik says in the original posters comment.
"Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17
That’s not why they were recording. Another reason why society is so **** up.
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Goodness, @Patrickbrick I hadn't even thought of that!
"Iron sharpens iron, and one man sharpens another." - Proverbs 27:17
Went from wrastlin’ in the woods to a sanctioned bout real quick lol