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KriegKrieg Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭


* That the Social Security taxes they pay are actually put into a trust fund ... an account with their name on it from which they will later draw their retirement benefits.


* That their employer actually "matches" what the government calls their "contribution" to their very own personal Social Security trust fund.


* That the founders of this nation actually wanted a system where the majority of people would decide what was and what was not to be ... with no provision for a firm set of laws that could not be breached by majority rule.


* That your average homeless bum on the streets would be enjoying a life of plenty if he had just been lucky like people with actual homes and jobs and stuff


* That it is the goal of schools owned, operated and staffed by the government to take our children and teach them to be self-sufficient so that they will not have to rely on government and politicians so much.


* That the Democrats are pushing for a health reform law because they are actually
concerned about the quality, affordability and availability of health care in this country.


* That when the colonies got together and formed a federation to provide for a common defense and to oversee certain relationships between the governments and the people of the several states, it was intended for 95% of all governance to pack up and move to Washington DC.


* That our founding fathers contrived and envisioned a system where the federal government could seize money from the people of a state, and then promise to give that money back, but only if the state would pass some specific laws pleasing to the federal government.

* That there is a Constitutional right to vote in a federal election. (Well, I guess I can understand why so many people believe this; after all, this is what they're taught in the government schools.)

* That when the majority of voters figure out that they can use the ballot box to take property away from their fellow Americans, nothing bad will happen.

* That changes in the intensity of solar activity couldn't possibly have anything to do with the heating and cooling cycles we experience here on earth.

* That the evil rich don't, in fact, already pay much more than their "fair share" of all taxes, whatever that might be


No .. it isn't that these people are stupid. Stupid means you CAN'T learn. These people just HAVEN'T learned. That's ignorance.

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  • VulchorVulchor FloridaPosts: 4,806 ✭✭✭
    * That one persons opinion is so much more enlightened that all other opinions listed in his post.....(that being said, I agree with the majority of your statements by the way)
  • stephen_hannibalstephen_hannibal Posts: 4,317
    I can't wait for the next version of this. You left off a ton Krieg...
  • I am an ex-socialist. What changed my mind was my observations looking at the world around me when I went out to volunteer for causes I believed in at the time. I saw all the flaws in my old beliefs, and now I sit somewhere between the right and left.

    If somebody as stubborn as myself can make a transformation like that, then perhaps that can be seen as proof that there is some hope for mankind.
  • stephen_hannibalstephen_hannibal Posts: 4,317
    kaworuchan:
    I am an ex-socialist. What changed my mind was my observations looking at the world around me when I went out to volunteer for causes I believed in at the time. I saw all the flaws in my old beliefs, and now I sit somewhere between the right and left. If somebody as stubborn as myself can make a transformation like that, then perhaps that can be seen as proof that there is some hope for mankind.

    ?this guy is funny.... PSHHHHH hope for mankind.
  • People need hope if they are going to go out into the world and make a serious effort to do something about how it is going to Hell.

    I am completely serious. It is the LACK of hope in too many people that has allowed things to get as bad as they have. Lack of hope often results in lack of action.
  • stephen_hannibalstephen_hannibal Posts: 4,317
    Dude I was being sarcastic.... trust me it's a gift.... embrace it.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭
    * that the only way to fix any problem is for the government to step in and take over
    * that a tax can change the climate
  • VulchorVulchor FloridaPosts: 4,806 ✭✭✭
    * Its proper English to use the term "hisself" when referring to something like..."I dont know why he went and shot hisself in the foot".
  • denniskingdennisking Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭
    very valid points. i know i will never see ssi payments. i know if i send my children to public school, the will be ill-prepared for life. i don't have time to comment on all your points, but i agree. as a moderate capitalist and middle road republican i see the validity in the points you made, more now than ever.
  • KamelyonKamelyon Posts: 109
    *that it is someone else's responsibility to take care of the poor, homeless, widowed, and broken.
  • stephen_hannibalstephen_hannibal Posts: 4,317
    Kamelyon:
    *that it is someone else's responsibility to take care of the poor, homeless, widowed, and broken.
    Broken? What do you mean broken?
  • Kamelyon:
    *that it is someone else's responsibility to take care of the poor, homeless, widowed, and broken.


    You'll probably be offended to know that there was a point in my life that I did accept government assistance when I was too sick to work (schizophrenia can do that to people).

    But the difference between myself and many people in similar situations is this - I fought hard to overcome my obstacles and to regain my self-sufficiency instead of planning to rely on the government to help me out for the rest of my life. I followed my doctor's orders without fail and have been completely stable for the last couple of years, I went back to school to learn some new skills (I'm still a FT student now, actually), I decided I was not going to be the kind of person who accepts help from the government and not do anything to try to pay society back for it (which too many people seem to be like these days).

    I am all for having my tax money help people get back on their feet. I am not for having my tax money be used as handouts for people who have no interest in helping themselves.
  • KriegKrieg Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭
    Vulchor:
    * Its proper English to use the term "hisself" when referring to something like..."I dont know why he went and shot hisself in the foot".
    I actually choked on my lunch when I read this one.
  • denniskingdennisking Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭
    Kamelyon:
    *that it is someone else's responsibility to take care of the poor, homeless, widowed, and broken.
    James 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress...
    not sure what everyone believes but i know i don't do this very well
  • stephen_hannibalstephen_hannibal Posts: 4,317
    dennisking:
    Kamelyon:
    *that it is someone else's responsibility to take care of the poor, homeless, widowed, and broken.
    James 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress...
    not sure what everyone believes but i know i don't do this very well

    Dude what did you mean by "broken?"
  • KamelyonKamelyon Posts: 109
    stephen_hannibal:
    dennisking:
    Kamelyon:
    *that it is someone else's responsibility to take care of the poor, homeless, widowed, and broken.
    James 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress...
    not sure what everyone believes but i know i don't do this very well

    Dude what did you mean by "broken?"
    People who cannot help themselves. My point was that individuals need to help others and not expect someone else or the government to do it. Dennisking is actually quoting what I was (vaugely) trying to reference.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭
    there is a large difference between relying on others to help yourself out of a bad situation and mooching off of a system.
    charity is designed for the former.
    government has more of a tendency to lead to the latter.
    there are still some decent people out there.
  • Matt MarvelMatt Marvel Posts: 930
    kuzi16:
    there is a large difference between relying on others to help yourself out of a bad situation and mooching off of a system.
    charity is designed for the former.
    government has more of a tendency to lead to the latter.
    there are still some decent people out there.
    I agree. I personally don't have an issue with the idea of welfare, it's the system that I have an issue with.
  • gmill880gmill880 Posts: 5,947
    Matt Marvel:
    kuzi16:
    there is a large difference between relying on others to help yourself out of a bad situation and mooching off of a system.
    charity is designed for the former.
    government has more of a tendency to lead to the latter.
    there are still some decent people out there.
    I agree. I personally don't have an issue with the idea of welfare, it's the system that I have an issue with.

    As with a lot of things the idea behind the plan of a lot of govt and private help programs was very genuine and intended to help only people who really needed help and assistance to keep their lifes from being ruined by circumstances out of their control. However , being the cunning species man is , a good number will exploit and take advantage of anything not really meant for them. Not well worded but I think you can get my drift ...
  • PuroFreakPuroFreak Posts: 4,132
    gmill880:
    Matt Marvel:
    kuzi16:
    there is a large difference between relying on others to help yourself out of a bad situation and mooching off of a system.
    charity is designed for the former.
    government has more of a tendency to lead to the latter.
    there are still some decent people out there.
    I agree. I personally don't have an issue with the idea of welfare, it's the system that I have an issue with.

    As with a lot of things the idea behind the plan of a lot of govt and private help programs was very genuine and intended to help only people who really needed help and assistance to keep their lifes from being ruined by circumstances out of their control. However , being the cunning species man is , a good number will exploit and take advantage of anything not really meant for them. Not well worded but I think you can get my drift ...
    The second half of that equation is when the government realizes that providing this welfare has made people dependant on them and given them power over a large portion of the population.
  • Matt MarvelMatt Marvel Posts: 930
    gmill880:
    Matt Marvel:
    kuzi16:
    there is a large difference between relying on others to help yourself out of a bad situation and mooching off of a system.
    charity is designed for the former.
    government has more of a tendency to lead to the latter.
    there are still some decent people out there.
    I agree. I personally don't have an issue with the idea of welfare, it's the system that I have an issue with.

    As with a lot of things the idea behind the plan of a lot of govt and private help programs was very genuine and intended to help only people who really needed help and assistance to keep their lifes from being ruined by circumstances out of their control. However , being the cunning species man is , a good number will exploit and take advantage of anything not really meant for them. Not well worded but I think you can get my drift ...
    Yeah, I know what you're saying. I've known of several people who have exploited the system. I actually worked with a lady who did these things, despite her and her husband making rather decent money. She would sign her kids up for all of the toy and clothes drives during Christmas, and she drove a brand new Ford pick-up truck. She would brag about doing it. Karma got her though. She was caught on our security cameras stealing stuff at work. She had a nice police escort out the door.
  • gmill880gmill880 Posts: 5,947
    Matt Marvel:
    gmill880:
    Matt Marvel:
    kuzi16:
    there is a large difference between relying on others to help yourself out of a bad situation and mooching off of a system.
    charity is designed for the former.
    government has more of a tendency to lead to the latter.
    there are still some decent people out there.
    I agree. I personally don't have an issue with the idea of welfare, it's the system that I have an issue with.

    As with a lot of things the idea behind the plan of a lot of govt and private help programs was very genuine and intended to help only people who really needed help and assistance to keep their lifes from being ruined by circumstances out of their control. However , being the cunning species man is , a good number will exploit and take advantage of anything not really meant for them. Not well worded but I think you can get my drift ...
    Yeah, I know what you're saying. I've known of several people who have exploited the system. I actually worked with a lady who did these things, despite her and her husband making rather decent money. She would sign her kids up for all of the toy and clothes drives during Christmas, and she drove a brand new Ford pick-up truck. She would brag about doing it. Karma got her though. She was caught on our security cameras stealing stuff at work. She had a nice police escort out the door.

    Yeah man , that Karma thing can be a bit_ch , lol , sound like she got what she deserved ...
  • KriegKrieg Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭
    Matt Marvel:
    gmill880:
    Matt Marvel:
    kuzi16:
    there is a large difference between relying on others to help yourself out of a bad situation and mooching off of a system.
    charity is designed for the former.
    government has more of a tendency to lead to the latter.
    there are still some decent people out there.
    I agree. I personally don't have an issue with the idea of welfare, it's the system that I have an issue with.

    As with a lot of things the idea behind the plan of a lot of govt and private help programs was very genuine and intended to help only people who really needed help and assistance to keep their lifes from being ruined by circumstances out of their control. However , being the cunning species man is , a good number will exploit and take advantage of anything not really meant for them. Not well worded but I think you can get my drift ...
    Yeah, I know what you're saying. I've known of several people who have exploited the system. I actually worked with a lady who did these things, despite her and her husband making rather decent money. She would sign her kids up for all of the toy and clothes drives during Christmas, and she drove a brand new Ford pick-up truck. She would brag about doing it. Karma got her though. She was caught on our security cameras stealing stuff at work. She had a nice police escort out the door.
    That's awesome..."whatcha gonna do when they come for you..." lol
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭
    Matt Marvel:
    kuzi16:
    there is a large difference between relying on others to help yourself out of a bad situation and mooching off of a system.
    charity is designed for the former.
    government has more of a tendency to lead to the latter.
    there are still some decent people out there.
    I agree. I personally don't have an issue with the idea of welfare, it's the system that I have an issue with.
    no, i have an issue with welfare.
    charity is moral. its a good idea even. it is virtuous.

    welfare is someone else (the government) taking your money against your will and distributing it as it sees fit. this is a violation of rights. (the right to keep what you worked for and earned, or not to keep it. its yours)
    social systems are not immoral because they fail, they fail because they are immoral.
  • KriegKrieg Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭
    Ok, here are a few more:

    We're learning now that H1N1 has a more devastating affect on fat folks. There's a very high percentage of obese people in the H1N1 fatality lists. So now we know why they're calling it the Swine Flu.

    Don't you just love the fact that they're digging out of 15 foot snow drifts in the United States while they're **** about global warming in Copenhagen?

    You can't take 3.5 ounces of deodorant on a commercial airliner, but the TSA can post a manual detailing its security procedures on the Internet.

  • Matt MarvelMatt Marvel Posts: 930
    kuzi16:
    Matt Marvel:
    kuzi16:
    there is a large difference between relying on others to help yourself out of a bad situation and mooching off of a system.
    charity is designed for the former.
    government has more of a tendency to lead to the latter.
    there are still some decent people out there.
    I agree. I personally don't have an issue with the idea of welfare, it's the system that I have an issue with.
    no, i have an issue with welfare.
    charity is moral. its a good idea even. it is virtuous.

    welfare is someone else (the government) taking your money against your will and distributing it as it sees fit. this is a violation of rights. (the right to keep what you worked for and earned, or not to keep it. its yours)
    social systems are not immoral because they fail, they fail because they are immoral.
    I understand what you're saying here. It brings a question to mind, that is a bit off-topic. Do you have an issue with the government paying for anything and everything with our money? Or just certain things, such as welfare?
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭
    if the federal government is using the money to ensure the rights of the individual i am ok with it. this is because the only true roll of the government is to uphold the rights of the individual.
    Most anything else can be done in the private sector (often times, more efficiently than a government can)


    there are a few things -roads for one- that are difficult to argue for the private running of, but there are instances in the past where it has worked.
    OR
    this is something that the states should take care of. it is not a federal matter. (the tenth amendment comes to mind ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"))
  • bibbybibby Posts: 152
    kuzi16:
    this is something that the states should take care of. it is not a federal matter. (the tenth amendment comes to mind ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"))
    Probably my biggest personal grip with the government lately; doing too much. They make up the ability to control things that they were not explicitly given the right to control. Great point Kuzi!
  • KriegKrieg Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭
    bibby:
    kuzi16:
    this is something that the states should take care of. it is not a federal matter. (the tenth amendment comes to mind ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"))
    Probably my biggest personal grip with the government lately; doing too much. They make up the ability to control things that they were not explicitly given the right to control. Great point Kuzi!
    Exactly, so if the Imperial Federal Govt is supposed to be limited by the Constitution, who or what enforces the Constitution on the US Government? IMO, politicians really could care less about the Constitution, it is seen more often as an obstacle rather than our framework.
  • kuzi16kuzi16 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭
    Krieg:
    bibby:
    kuzi16:
    this is something that the states should take care of. it is not a federal matter. (the tenth amendment comes to mind ("The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"))
    Probably my biggest personal grip with the government lately; doing too much. They make up the ability to control things that they were not explicitly given the right to control. Great point Kuzi!
    Exactly, so if the Imperial Federal Govt is supposed to be limited by the Constitution, who or what enforces the Constitution on the US Government? IMO, politicians really could care less about the Constitution, it is seen more often as an obstacle rather than our framework.
    i thought it was supposed to be the military? im not in the armed forces nor have i ever been. can anyone give me more info on the oath to uphold the constitution? isnt there a line in that oath about enemies external and internal?
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