Gillette, the worst an ad can get?
Bob_Luken
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Are they selling razors? Are you inspired to be a better man, or are wondering why they think it's their job to teach you morals?
(These are the same folks who charge women more than men for the same razors because they're pink razors.)
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They just lost a customer.2
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I wasn't even sure if I used gillette razors. I had to go look in my bathroom to be sure. Yep, I've used the cheap Gillette razors for decades. A dozen or more per bag. Best bang for my buck. But now they have me thinking of looking for a different option because, dog-gone-it if they don't have the arrogance to call their razor buying customers out for being bad men.
I wonder how this approach would work for beer ads?
"Hey you, you drunken wife-beating loser,.... be a better man."
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Interesting. I am sure I will be one of the few but I liked it. Who’s job is it to teach morals? Parents, family, friends. What happens when people don’t have them in their lives? Who do they learn from? I don’t know anything about the company but I think it is refreshing for them to stand up and say cut the shitt out. Also I like the beer ad.6
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Wow, let's hate on an ad that simply asks us to be decent people. That's worth not being a customer.
Honestly, I don't get people.Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
I like Oliva and Quesada (including Regius) a lot. I will smoke anything, though.1 -
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"Hold my beer" - Peta0
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It's not about that message. Morals are a good thing to have and kids should be taught young. That's great. It's more about the "toxic masculinity" that all the lefties want to get rid of. Google it.Martel said:Wow, let's hate on an ad that simply asks us to be decent people. That's worth not being a customer.
Honestly, I don't get people.2 -
That was a helluva squash.A little dirt never hurt0
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So, I had to watch it after reading all the comments. It's thought provoking, whatever you're thinking.
On the one hand, I have to say that much of what they're saying has needed to be said, a lot, for about the last 100 - 10,000 years.
I think the backlash seen here is due to the outrageous extremes that this problem has provoked in the last couple years. We're seeing; His life should be destroyed because he touched my butt 45 years ago! Take everything he has! Or so it seems.
It's become difficult to tell where the line is, because for one thing, it's always been different with different people, and with the new, hazy redefining some who weren't particularly offended, or innocent themselves are now suddenly offended, and they want a vengeance of some kind to be settled.
Still, I have to applaud Gillette for trying. The boundaries are hazy now, and people tend to take new things like this to extremes, but I have to recognize that it is also an attempt to speak truth to culture, and I have to respect that.
Still scares me a little. There are whole organized factions that really enjoy a little schadenfreude.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain4 -
Martel said:Wow, let's hate on an ad that simply asks us to be decent people. That's worth not being a customer.
Honestly, I don't get people.
If the ad simply asks us (men) to be decent people, what are they really saying? They're implying that we aren't decent people. Get it?
The ad states that some men already do the right thing, "but some, is not enough." Some? Really? Only some? Only some men refrain from sexually harassing women? Only some men would stop bullies from beating up a small child? They don't even think MOST men already do the right thing. Yeah, this ad sucks because, according to Gillette, by virtue of your maleness,........ you are most likely not a decent person.2 -
It is like the NFL and a lot of TV shows. I tuned in for the escapism. I don't tune in anymore.
I buy razors to shave. I don't buy Gillette anymore.
Politics belongs in politics, and it is politics. DO NOT think for one second it isn't.
And also remember, women are never sexist, bullies or foul mouthed. Women never commit crimes against men. It is just men. At least according to politics.0 -
I watched this several times now to see if I was missing something. I know I am a simpleton and just don’t read into things to deeply but I don’t see politics in this. They never said anything about women being sexist,bullies or foul mouthed. They are talking about men to man up. The division in this country/world is one of the biggest problems we will always have. Instead of conservative vs liberal, man vs woman, black vs white so on and so on we all to to be as one. Yea yea I know how corny that sounds and you guys are saying I am living in a dream world but that is how I see it. Love this thread makes people thinkjd50ae said:It is like the NFL and a lot of TV shows. I tuned in for the escapism. I don't tune in anymore.
I buy razors to shave. I don't buy Gillette anymore.
Politics belongs in politics, and it is politics. DO NOT think for one second it isn't.
And also remember, women are never sexist, bullies or foul mouthed. Women never commit crimes against men. It is just men. At least according to politics.3 -
You got the point and you totally missed it. IT DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WOMEN WOMENING UP. It is a totally sexist ad, men are bad, women are good by omission. It is political and sexist. Toxic masculinity, and women do no wrong, ever.genareddog said:
I watched this several times now to see if I was missing something. I know I am a simpleton and just don’t read into things to deeply but I don’t see politics in this. They never said anything about women being sexist,bullies or foul mouthed. They are talking about men to man up. The division in this country/world is one of the biggest problems we will always have. Instead of conservative vs liberal, man vs woman, black vs white so on and so on we all to to be as one. Yea yea I know how corny that sounds and you guys are saying I am living in a dream world but that is how I see it. Love this thread makes people thinkjd50ae said:It is like the NFL and a lot of TV shows. I tuned in for the escapism. I don't tune in anymore.
I buy razors to shave. I don't buy Gillette anymore.
Politics belongs in politics, and it is politics. DO NOT think for one second it isn't.
And also remember, women are never sexist, bullies or foul mouthed. Women never commit crimes against men. It is just men. At least according to politics.
It is a 2 way street and no one wants to admit it and talk about it.
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First of all @Bob_Luken Barbasol makes a great disposable razor, usually I find them at Kroger.
Second - This commercial is brilliant, sexist, truthful, and dishonest all at the same time.
Brilliant - Someone needs to be talking about men stepping up our moral standards in society, being a spiritual leader. That is not what this commercial is trying to say, but if all men were spiritual leaders you would not have as much sexism, abuse, and bullying. As we know, more people will chose wrong over right.
Sexist - To say all of these society problems (sexism, abuse, bullying) are only related to men "Toxic Masculinity" is a very sexist statement. There are women out there that sexual predators, bullies, and mean. To say this is a man problem is to ignore that it is a cultural sin problem.
Truthful - There are men that have hurt women, and others because of their corrupt character.
Dishonest - The answer is not the wussification of men which is what I think a lot of women in the world want. Though this commercial doesn't preach the feminization of men, I do believe it is intended to lead us that way. Men need to be men. That doesn't mean that we have no consequences and responsibilities for our actions. Men are the stronger tougher (Physically) of the two sexes. We think different, we act different, and we express ourselves different. There is nothing wrong with that. As men we should be the tuff defenders of all that is good in society.
Conclusion: Not a fan of Gillet before the commercial, not crazy about the commercial, and I will continue to teach my son to do the right things in the right way, and to be a man.
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I have to say that @jd50ae has made a good point here. This is the flip side of the coin, that extreme that I was referring to above, and it is indeed just as real. There are many people who see the world this way. And many women who take advantage of that fact.jd50ae said: ... It is...sexist..., men are bad, women are good by omission. It is political and sexist. Toxic masculinity, and women do no wrong, ever.It is a 2 way street and no one wants to admit it and talk about it.
That said, I LOVED @TNBigfoot68 's response above. We all need to recognize the realities, and work together and individually to correct the problem. The answer is blindingly simple, and advocated by every great spiritual leader we've ever seen on this planet.
Summarized; Do the right thing, at the right time, for the right reasons.
Why is that so hard for us?
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain5 -
Intelligence is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
I like Oliva and Quesada (including Regius) a lot. I will smoke anything, though.6 -
We can all have different views on this and it's all OK by me. The ad's message is good but IMHO the ad is intentionally designed to stir up backlash because of it's subtler messaging that men, as a whole, are not good enough and they need a lecture. And backlash to the backlash was in the design also. "If you reject any part of the good message then you are part of the problem." The Kafka trap was built in.3
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Fixed it.Amos_Umwhat said:
Summarized; Do the right thing, at the right time, for the right reasons. That includes all of us. M or F, young or old.
Why is that so hard for us?1 -
I don't doubt that Gillette saw the increase in sales that Nike experienced after their controversial ads starring Kapernick, and said, "Gee, maybe if we stir the pot a little, it'll help our bottom line too.""I could've had a Mi Querida!" Nick Bardis6
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Good thing I have a beard so I don't have to worry about such things.9
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I knew that Putin was behind this somehow.....8
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Sorry, I assumed that imperative. You were probably right to spell it out, it could have been missed.jd50ae said:
Fixed it.Amos_Umwhat said:
Summarized; Do the right thing, at the right time, for the right reasons. That includes all of us. M or F, young or old.
Why is that so hard for us?
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain1 -
If you quote me do the @TX98Z28 in your text or I won't be notified of your quote, Thanks.1
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Did you notice in the Gillette ad the guy in the TV show grab the maid's behind, and the studio audience laughs and laughs? (It happens at the 20 second mark.)
Did Andy Griffith do this? Did Al Bundy do this? Who did this?
https://youtu.be/9R6XKMMW6bU
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A strange choice of ad. I will say it gives off a vibe as casting “most” men in a bad light, without directly coming out and saying it. While I do hold myself to a high standard of being a man, the ad seems to insinuate that is more rare than I would like to believe. My sample size is paltry in comparison to the world wide male population but most men I know and associate with seem to hold the same high standards for themselves (except maybe the Loo Crew 😂) . Makes me think the ad is off base with the vibe I get from it. I’d say a thumbs down to that ad. While I get the message they are trying to convey, I think they did it all wrong.
No no matter though, I use Dollar Shave Club anyhow😉And I normally don’t boycott products based on the company political agenda if I like the product. If I did, I probably wouldn’t have jack shlt. 😂How do you like my profile pic Taborski? @matkn2931 -
I was once told that a real man makes dinner. A real man does the dishes and laundry.
I said, I guess I'm not a real man, I don't do any of those things.
They asked what I do.
I fix s h i t and bring home a fat paycheck and make my wife happy and according to her, she's happy with the way I am.
We've become a nation that is afraid of offending anyone.
Men can't be men. If they are, they aren't sensitive.
Well, men aren't sensitive. It's in the genes.
If you hunt, you are a killer.
If you don't take crap, you have an attitude problem or are mean.
If you don't do housework, you are a male chauvinist.
If you don't agree with people, you are against them.
It's ok for them to tell you how to live, that you have to accept their way of life and you can't disagree with it. Groups of people condemning anyone who feels they don't want to be around those types of people.
We are supposed to be a country where you can have your own beliefs, but now your beliefs are offensive. WTF?
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Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.Wylaff said:Atmospheric pressure and crap.6 -
Well, America, Gillette's idiotic ad may have finally turned the tide on 'toxic masculinity'
By Karol Markowicz | New York Post
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/well-america-gillettes-idiotic-ad-may-have-finally-turned-the-tide-on-toxic-masculinity
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This is not a response to the Gellette ad. This one came out in 2013, but it would be so ****ing cool if they ran it again today in response to the Gillette ad controversy.
https://youtu.be/CzC47F1DTO8
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