THE NEWBIE WELCOMING THREAD

@Rdp77 said:

@ShawnOL said:
@ScotchnSmoke ?

Or the artist formerly known as VegasFrank

Nope not me buddy. I have enough handles as it is

@Ross_G89 said:
Rdp77: I found this information through multiple sites, online videos, and in house sources. The 5 packs from the manufacturer is a great way for them to move product because people are more often going to buy cheaper options, especially if they can get multiple kinds. Not saying all online company’s sell the seconds or the older stock, but a majority of them do. They may not even know they are selling the seconds, especially since they are packaged that way from the manufacturer. But it wouldn’t make sense if I could buy a pack of 20 for $100 when the box on the same site costs over $300 for 20. It’s just business. Not to mention they also do this for promotional reasons, trying to get people to try their brand.

Sorry Ross. I know you're a new guy and welcome, but you're dead wrong here.

You listen to too much cigar authority for your own good hahaha. David garofalo is famous for just saying whatever the hell he wants, truth be damned, in order to protect his own interests. He's a big wig and a big shot and all of the cigar associations and he's got one of the largest shops on the planet.

Let me ask you a few questions to get the brain juices flowing. Why would a manufacturer of a 20 or 50 or $100 cigar put a 20 or $50 or $100 band on a lesser cigar and steak their reputation on something that wasn't made as well or with different tobaccos or with less skilled bunchers and rollers? Really think about this for a second bro. If Toyota puts a million tundras out at $75,000 each, and they have this great reputation, why would they offer the same tundra somewhere else for $45,000, but build it shittttier? When that crappy build breaks down, it hurts the tundra brand and then they can't get $75,000 for the good ones. It literally makes no sense. The only thing the manufacturers are doing are killing their own brand names and reputations. That's why it just isn't done the way David garofalo and Abe and the other guys who are afraid of the online retailers say that it's done.

Why would a giant online store like cigars and international or famous or JR, all of whom have brick and mortars by the way, stake their reputation and store all of their their millions of cigars in a non-humidified Warehouse?

CI and cigar.com and famous and all the rest have warehouses that are humidified. I don't know that they've lost their Elegance, LOL, as you said above, as much as they lost their style in presentation. Grabbing something out of a mahogany box in a store with leather chairs has a different presentation effect then a five pack with cellophane and a green cardboard back.

But hey man you do you. If what makes it taste good is blowing that 40 bucks on it, then have at it brother.

I will bet you my next paycheck that The Trinidad espiritu that you get from the b&M for 18 bucks is the exact tobacco rolled in the exact way with the exact rollers at the exact factory as the one Edward or Rusty get from cigar bed for $4 a stick.

@Ross_G89 said:

@Itsfine said:

@Ross_G89 said:
Rdp77: I found this information through multiple sites, online videos, and in house sources. The 5 packs from the manufacturer is a great way for them to move product because people are more often going to buy cheaper options, especially if they can get multiple kinds. Not saying all online company’s sell the seconds or the older stock, but a majority of them do. They may not even know they are selling the seconds, especially since they are packaged that way from the manufacturer. But it wouldn’t make sense if I could buy a pack of 20 for $100 when the box on the same site costs over $300 for 20. It’s just business. Not to mention they also do this for promotional reasons, trying to get people to try their brand.

Sorry Ross. I know you're a new guy and welcome, but you're dead wrong here.

You listen to too much cigar authority for your own good hahaha. David garofalo is famous for just saying whatever the hell he wants, truth be damned, in order to protect his own interests. He's a big wig and a big shot and all of the cigar associations and he's got one of the largest shops on the planet.

Let me ask you a few questions to get the brain juices flowing. Why would a manufacturer of a 20 or 50 or $100 cigar put a 20 or $50 or $100 band on a lesser cigar and steak their reputation on something that wasn't made as well or with different tobaccos or with less skilled bunchers and rollers? Really think about this for a second bro. If Toyota puts a million tundras out at $75,000 each, and they have this great reputation, why would they offer the same tundra somewhere else for $45,000, but build it shittttier? When that crappy build breaks down, it hurts the tundra brand and then they can't get $75,000 for the good ones. It literally makes no sense. The only thing the manufacturers are doing are killing their own brand names and reputations. That's why it just isn't done the way David garofalo and Abe and the other guys who are afraid of the online retailers say that it's done.

Why would a giant online store like cigars and international or famous or JR, all of whom have brick and mortars by the way, stake their reputation and store all of their their millions of cigars in a non-humidified Warehouse?

CI and cigar.com and famous and all the rest have warehouses that are humidified. I don't know that they've lost their Elegance, LOL, as you said above, as much as they lost their style in presentation. Grabbing something out of a mahogany box in a store with leather chairs has a different presentation effect then a five pack with cellophane and a green cardboard back.

But hey man you do you. If what makes it taste good is blowing that 40 bucks on it, then have at it brother.

I will bet you my next paycheck that The Trinidad espiritu that you get from the b&M for 18 bucks is the exact tobacco rolled in the exact way with the exact rollers at the exact factory as the one Edward or Rusty get from cigar bed for $4 a stick.

So I didn’t say that they’re using different tobacco‘s. The tobacco blends that are inside the cigars that are boxed is the same tobacco that you find in the five packs. All I’m saying is they didn’t pass the inspection to get put into a box. And it’s not necessarily damaging their reputation, if you put a low enough price on anything, someone will buy it. The flavor is still the same. I don’t buy my boxes at b&m, I get them online. What they are doing is actually a marketing strategy, they still make money off of them and that’s all they care about. The number one reason for being a business is profit. That’s it. I don’t think manufacturers take their seconds or messed up Cigars and dispose of them, there is still money to be made. I’m talking from my personal experience. I don’t know if other brands that are more on the budget side just sell their cigars for a cheap five pack, I’m just telling you what I’ve experienced and what I’ve read in multiple articles.

Lol Okie dokie then. I'll stick to my low rent five packs hahaha