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@OutdoorsSmoke_21191 said:
Serious question??? Or not?

Politics has its place but has be devisive since it’s inception.

Does political thread(s) serve to enhance this forum…OR… detract from this forum.

Personally, I find it an enhancement. Yes, it can be and often is divisive, but that is a reflection of our society. If people can't handle it, they should remove themselves from the conversation, NOT remove the conversation from the forum.

We have, here, an extremely eclectic group of people. People of all ages and occupations, and a wide variety of beliefs, and both genders. Or more, if that's what trips your triggers. All of us bound together by a hobby that is under fire by some well funded extremists who get their jollies by forcing their views on others. Especially if that force doesn't actually affect anything in their own lives.

All of that above means that we are a rare example of the kind of intellectual cross-pollination of ideas that was inherent to our "Great Experiment" of a democratic republic. We are the vestiges of what truly made America great. Yes, it's messy, and sometimes we get our little feelings hurt, but it's well worth it. At least, it is for me.

BTW, I have no earthly idea where my social security card, issued in '72 or '73 if I recall, might be at this time. My DD214 has served that purpose a few times, though, and my Driver's License and Voter Registration card have been required every time I vote. Even though the lady at the polls is my neighbor, and knows who I am on sight.

Carry on.

@VegasFrank said:
@CalvinAndHobo I mean I said that if you made IDs free and easy then go ahead and ask for ID. It's that simple. All the other stuff doesn't matter.

By the way we already have a national ID. It's called a social security card. I'm not navigating in uncharted waters here.

I don't know why having an election day window instead of one single day in November makes such a big difference to some people.

Non-citizens can get a SS card and be eligible for benefits. Do you believe non-citizens (in any country), whether there legally or not, should be allowed to vote in that country's elections?

First link worked for me. You have to open the link to get rid of the Cigar.com redirect first.

https://archive.is/20241020182725/https://www.businessinsider.com/america-new-economic-supercycle-growth-inflation-stock-market-global-chaos-2024-10

Doing some kiln repairs.

Same here. I tried the vherf once when only Chris was on and had to quit after a minute or two.

Out of curiosity, if ID's were free to get, and I offered to remove Columbus day as a federal holiday, and replace it with election day, along with requiring at least 1 polling location per county to be open all 24 hours of the day, would that be considered fair in your eyes? @VegasFrank Is there a way in your world to give everyone a chance to vote, while also making them prove they're the person who's voting?

Why are there requirements to voting? You used to be required to be a landowner. You used to be required to be white. You used to be required to be a man.

To have a driver's license you have to have a home of record. What about the 200,000 people who defended this country who are now homeless who want to vote? What about people who turned 18 yesterday?

What about 88-year-old grandma who let her driver's license expire because she doesn't drive anymore and she doesn't take any fukking flights to Cabo and she doesn't get a fishing license and she doesn't buy any six packs?

I'm just guessing here, but it seems to me that if 80% of the mail in votes and 80% of the non-id votes came from people who are affiliated with Big r, then Big r wouldn't have a problem with it anymore. It's all self-serving bull$hit man.

It took my wife 3 months and two powers of attorneys and 2 raised seals in two different states to get her real ID because of divorces and name changes. It was compounded by the fact that she doesn't have any utility or mortgage bill coming to the house in her name because everything is in my name.

It's not a simple **** task that some dummy living in the PJs or some legal non-english speaking poor us citizen can easily accomplish.

Also, not everybody has 50 bucks Randy. I'm glad that you do and I'm glad that I do.

Also really poor people deal in 100 percent cash. They don't have credit cards and flights to Cabo and fishing licenses. They buy their six packs at the corner store where they know the clerk from the neighborhood and he doesn't ask for ID, even though it's against the law.

I also love that there's a large population of people who say everyone should have an ID. When the other side says okay let's give them all IDs, that first side says no.

They don't actually want them to have IDs to vote. They actually just want them to not vote at all, and the only reason for that is because they think it's likely that these people won't vote for their side.

@IndustMech said:

@VegasFrank said:
I guess I voted today.

You make a good argument for restrictions on mail in ballots and requiring an ID to vote.

I would give that comment credence if half the population wasn't bellyaching about cheating in elections since Kennedy and before. I don't remember any internet or mail-In voting in 1960.