You can use 2008 stuff here because he has the same stance as he did it's just we as americans are realizing that through the use of devide and conqour techniques our civil liberties are being raped and pilaged.
To all the brothers keeping up with this thread thank you and it is a pleasure to share this with you. Keep fighting and spread the word liberty will unite us against the tyrants who wish to take what cannot be taken.
I kind of wish Xmacro had been able to hang with us. I, for one, don't think anyone was baiting him, he's a mystery to me. If I express an idea, he hits back with all this "move-on.org" nonsense, it's like he's been hypnotized to hear this stuff whenever certain subjects come up. I haven't the foggiest what move-on is saying, thought they'd faded out after the last election cycle. Not much I can do about that, but, I'll try not to stick anyone in a box either.
To chime in momentarily - until wwestern can keep a civil tongue in his head when debating and not accuse someone of "drinking the kool-aid and running around with blinders on" when they disagree, I won't debate with him on anything, in this thread or any other
I won't debate with you either if your answer to my arguments is "it's like he's been hypnotized to hear this stuff whenever certain subjects come up"
I get infuriated when someone can't use their own words or arguments and hides behind blogs or youtube videos; it infuriates me even more when the answer to my posts is an ad hominem on me or a source instead of a counter-argument.
Bottom line - I'm done with this thread and arguing with either of you until you learn some etiquette. Debates between gentlemen are civil affairs, with both sides stating their viewpoints in their own words. They can be very heated and passionate without insulting each other, both understanding they may not sway the other side; instead what I get is accusations of being a blind partisan from the two of you.
I get infuriated when someone can't use their own words or arguments and hides behind blogs or youtube videos; it infuriates me even more when the answer to my posts is an ad hominem on me or a source instead of a counter-argument.
Bottom line - I'm done with this thread and arguing with either of you until you learn some etiquette. Debates between gentlemen are civil affairs, with both sides stating their viewpoints in their own words. They can be very heated and passionate without insulting each other, both understanding they may not sway the other side; instead what I get is accusations of being a blind partisan from the two of you.
Then why, when I make a comment or give an opinion, do you respond with how much you hate the arguements of Move-On, or some other left-wing organization, instead of giving your opinion to me of what I was talking about? It is YOU, who are doing the things you say YOU hate. You need to re-read alll this, from the start, or have someone objective do it for you if you can't for yourself. You'll be told that you are the one hiding.
WARNING: The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme. Proceed at your own risk.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
I get infuriated when someone can't use their own words or arguments and hides behind blogs or youtube videos; it infuriates me even more when the answer to my posts is an ad hominem on me or a source instead of a counter-argument.
Bottom line - I'm done with this thread and arguing with either of you until you learn some etiquette. Debates between gentlemen are civil affairs, with both sides stating their viewpoints in their own words. They can be very heated and passionate without insulting each other, both understanding they may not sway the other side; instead what I get is accusations of being a blind partisan from the two of you.
Then why, when I make a comment or give an opinion, do you respond with how much you hate the arguements of Move-On, or some other left-wing organization, instead of giving your opinion to me of what I was talking about? It is YOU, who are doing the things you say YOU hate. You need to re-read alll this, from the start, or have someone objective do it for you if you can't for yourself. You'll be told that you are the one hiding.
At this point, I really don't care. I post WSJ articles and you call it a propaganda rag, payed for and dictated by Rupert Murdoch, like 50,000 journalists and the largest circulation in the US just make it a tabloid or something. I post graphs of GDP to debt ratio's created by the IRS or the CBO, and you talk as if I'm using unreliable sources.
I've said my piece - make of it what you will, call me a neocon or blind partisan (though I've never been called a Leftist before Beatnic came along; that's a new one). Whatever makes you feel better, but I'm done arguing with either of you.
You wanted to debate Ron Pauls foreign policy so I posted a video of the man speaking of his own policy. Sorry it's not as credible as the WSJ's take on Ron Paul's foreign policy? As for the rest of your nonsense get over it. You do plenty of calling people biased, sorry you can't handle it thrown your way. Sore loser far as I can tell.
I just had a strange sensation. I clicked off of the the video where Ron Paul was so less than enthusiastically talking about the evils of the Patriot Act, and the next image to hit my eyes was Wes' smoking clown. Damn it Wes, I want to see the guy slapping desktops and cursing and raising hell. He is just so........... like your clown. Sad Sack. ROTFLMAO
Yes. That's the one that got me. Watch the very last line. He lifts his hands, and...... I'm still laughing. That's as animated as he gets. Don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of Ron Paul. He's the smartest guy in the room, but loses the popularity contest.
Over the past year I've really taken off my blinders and I think the "left"/"right" wing corners they have painted us into are what will be the eventual down fall of our great nation. Just doing some light research you can find out that the founding fathers warned us of all this. Don't dare quote them though, you'll be called a fringe lunatic for *** like that. Anyhow thanks for the words of encouragement Doug! Feel free to post your favorite Ron Paul stuff brother!
Let me see if I can summarize some things that are on my mind, and I'll be getting back to them with some historical perspectives I've picked up recently, and some I'll have to dig out.
1) There are those who profit from this left/right dichotomy, and they push the poles as far apart as possible.
2) Sheep, which are found on both sides of the fence
3) breaking down the categories: a: Liberals, 1. True Liberals 2. bleeding heart liberals 3. socialists 4. communists
b: Conservatives, 1. True Conservatives 2. Neo-Cons , who break into a couple of groups, but more on that later.
Finally getting back to this a little bit. Point 1, those who profit from the left/right tug of war, should be pretty obvious. Of course, if one begins pointing out the obvious, we've all been trained to say: "conspiracy theory" in unison and ignore what is plainly before us. I guess an example that's occurred in recent years might be the Goldman-Sachs business practice of selling securities and simultaneously betting against the securities they were selling. This kind of thing is happening at all sorts of levels.
Concerninig point 2. I found a couple of interesting quotes recently that indicate that all of the things that we're concerned about have either been going on a long time, or are cyclical. Nothing earth-shattering, but interesting points of view. Mark Twain, in his autobiography while addressing the character of man writes the following:
We are discreet sheep; we wait to see how the drove is going, and then go with the drove. We have two opinions: one private, which we are afraid to express; and another one-the one we use-which we force ourselves to wear to please Mrs. Grundy, until habit makes us comfortable in it, and the custom of defending it presently makes us love it, adore it, and forget how pitifully we came by it. Look at it in politics. Look at the candidates who we loathe, one year, and are afraid to vote against the next; who we cover with unimaginable filth, one year, and fall down on the public platform and worship, the next-and keep on doing it until the habitual shutting of our eyes to last year's evidences brings us presently to a sincere and stupid belief in this year's. Look at the tyranny of party-at what is called party allegiance, party loyalty-a snare invented by designing men for selfish purposes-and which turns voters into chattels, slaves, rabbits; and all the while, their masters, and they themselves are shouting rubbish about liberty, independence, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, honestly unconscious of the fantastic contradiction; and forgetting that their fathers and the churches shouted the same blasphemies a generation earlier...If we would learn what the human race really is, at bottom, we need only observe it in election times.
Maybe some won't see the correlation, but I do. More on the other points later.
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WARNING: The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme. Proceed at your own risk.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
The pundits say he won it and then proceed to talk about Perry and Romney.
which absolutely verifies that it's not an election as much as a beauty contest, what a shame that our intellectual values are so small, and our egos are so vain. Personally, I don't care if he's a goggle-eyed hunchback with buck teeth, as long as he's the man with the best ideas.
WARNING: The above post may contain thoughts or ideas known to the State of Caliphornia to cause seething rage, confusion, distemper, nausea, perspiration, sphincter release, or cranial implosion to persons who implicitly trust only one news source, or find themselves at either the left or right political extreme. Proceed at your own risk.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
The pundits say he won it and then proceed to talk about Perry and Romney.
which absolutely verifies that it's not an election as much as a beauty contest, what a shame that our intellectual values are so small, and our egos are so vain. Personally, I don't care if he's a goggle-eyed hunchback with buck teeth, as long as he's the man with the best ideas.
Don't you remember highschool, its' all a popularity contest. What a shame.
I wonder just how many people out there actually realize that this is what the real power brokers have turned democracy into. Dr. Paul get completely ignored by the media so people never hear his message. The media in North America should get a swift kick in the A$$. I get so frustrated with people who's opinion is based on nothing more then last night's news.
I wonder just how many people out there actually realize that this is what the real power brokers have turned democracy into. Dr. Paul get completely ignored by the media so people never hear his message. The media in North America should get a swift kick in the A$$. I get so frustrated with people who's opinion is based on nothing more then last night's news.
News in America is horrible, ran by too much interest not of the people. They are in the biz to make money and get viewers. Critical thinking is being removed from the population and when American Idol keeps bringing in millions of viewers every year, I do believe it's the most watched show and the huge rush of "reality" shows have overrun all networks people do not think. Sure sitcoms are lazy tv too but they are suppose to be.
One thing that I find very intriguing is if you take a long list of questions and such that have been bombarded on Obama then look at what the GOP have been asked it is so skewed. And they get away with it. Like let's say obama was president during 9-11-01, he would have been impeached. And if he didn't, and lied to the US and other nations about Iraq and authorized torture the media would have eaten him alive. The media is what one needs to take over a people, it always works. Look at Germany in the 30's. Propaganda is key. Also Japan used it too. It's being done here, as to what the end result will be I have no idea.
Check out the bar graph in the link below. Notice anything strange? How is a 14.3% bar only about half the length of a 57.9% bar? And then mysteriously the 6% bar actually makes sense, being half as long as the 12% bar. You tell me.
Check out the bar graph in the link below. Notice anything strange? How is a 14.3% bar only about half the length of a 57.9% bar? And then mysteriously the 6% bar actually makes sense, being half as long as the 12% bar. You tell me.
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To all the brothers keeping up with this thread thank you and it is a pleasure to share this with you. Keep fighting and spread the word liberty will unite us against the tyrants who wish to take what cannot be taken.
I won't debate with you either if your answer to my arguments is "it's like he's been hypnotized to hear this stuff whenever certain subjects come up"
I get infuriated when someone can't use their own words or arguments and hides behind blogs or youtube videos; it infuriates me even more when the answer to my posts is an ad hominem on me or a source instead of a counter-argument.
Bottom line - I'm done with this thread and arguing with either of you until you learn some etiquette. Debates between gentlemen are civil affairs, with both sides stating their viewpoints in their own words. They can be very heated and passionate without insulting each other, both understanding they may not sway the other side; instead what I get is accusations of being a blind partisan from the two of you.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
I've said my piece - make of it what you will, call me a neocon or blind partisan (though I've never been called a Leftist before Beatnic came along; that's a new one). Whatever makes you feel better, but I'm done arguing with either of you.
Keep this quiet though the big government repubs would hate for Dr. Paul to be equated to Reagan.
Concerninig point 2. I found a couple of interesting quotes recently that indicate that all of the things that we're concerned about have either been going on a long time, or are cyclical. Nothing earth-shattering, but interesting points of view. Mark Twain, in his autobiography while addressing the character of man writes the following:
We are discreet sheep; we wait to see how the drove is going, and then go with the drove. We have two opinions: one private, which we are afraid to express; and another one-the one we use-which we force ourselves to wear to please Mrs. Grundy, until habit makes us comfortable in it, and the custom of defending it presently makes us love it, adore it, and forget how pitifully we came by it. Look at it in politics. Look at the candidates who we loathe, one year, and are afraid to vote against the next; who we cover with unimaginable filth, one year, and fall down on the public platform and worship, the next-and keep on doing it until the habitual shutting of our eyes to last year's evidences brings us presently to a sincere and stupid belief in this year's. Look at the tyranny of party-at what is called party allegiance, party loyalty-a snare invented by designing men for selfish purposes-and which turns voters into chattels, slaves, rabbits; and all the while, their masters, and they themselves are shouting rubbish about liberty, independence, freedom of opinion, freedom of speech, honestly unconscious of the fantastic contradiction; and forgetting that their fathers and the churches shouted the same blasphemies a generation earlier...If we would learn what the human race really is, at bottom, we need only observe it in election times.
Maybe some won't see the correlation, but I do. More on the other points later.
.
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
Dr. Paul get completely ignored by the media so people never hear his message.
The media in North America should get a swift kick in the A$$. I get so frustrated with people who's opinion is based on nothing more then last night's news.
One thing that I find very intriguing is if you take a long list of questions and such that have been bombarded on Obama then look at what the GOP have been asked it is so skewed. And they get away with it. Like let's say obama was president during 9-11-01, he would have been impeached. And if he didn't, and lied to the US and other nations about Iraq and authorized torture the media would have eaten him alive. The media is what one needs to take over a people, it always works. Look at Germany in the 30's. Propaganda is key. Also Japan used it too. It's being done here, as to what the end result will be I have no idea.
CHECK OUT THIS GRAPH