Screw that, let her bring her own and smoke an infused stick. If they do not sell them, that is bad business. Acid is the number one selling brand on earth, big mistake not to have that on the shelves... As long as you are buying smokes there, no reason she cannot IMO.
not that they don't sell flavored, they "Only" sell there own company brand, nothing else.
And that's retarded from a business perspective... ACID is a must carry in any store. They are missing out on a huge goldmine of sales. I understand pushing a house brand, but you cannot deny ACID's domination. Every cigar should carry it.
not that they don't sell flavored, they "Only" sell there own company brand, nothing else.
And that's retarded from a business perspective... ACID is a must carry in any store. They are missing out on a huge goldmine of sales. I understand pushing a house brand, but you cannot deny ACID's domination. Every cigar should carry it.
sorry, I must not be saying this right, it is a cigar b&M that only has there own company's make, they have over 100 types of there own company's make cigars, and have been around for a while-and have shops in new york and texas i believe also, (it would be like if "name a cigar company you liked" had a shop for all "their" lines but not competing makers) they are always busy and have "approx" 70is rental humidors there that are rented and in use by there customers, I don't know enough about other places but this one is nice, and many here love the place above the other B&M at the other end of town that carries most brands.
but my real question was not with this particular B&M per say but with my wife being able to have a flavored/infused cigar (pick any B&M with a lounge) around other cigar smokers and the smells bothering them related to the "etiquette" involved with it
i cant say if people will be mad if others smoke infused around them or not but they shouldnt be. its not really imposing. to non smokers any cigar smells band and those people should go away. seems a bit hypocritical if cigar smokers send other cigar smokers away because they dont like the smell.
Good thoughts in Kuzi's OP (below) and also some good discussion in the other pages. Check it out.
kuzi16:
In reality, this is by no means an "end all" guide when it comes to cigar etiquette. This is how (and why) I (attempt to) act in different situations within the cigar world. As i have said many times before, I am just a guy that likes cigars a little too much. Should more points come to mind, I will edit accordingly on the first post. No need for a lengthy introduction. Down to business.
Pertaining to the cigar itself:
-Use a proper cutter to cut your cigar. Biting off the end, cutting with a dull knife, or using fingernails to cut leaves to much chance of disrespecting the manufacturer by flubbing a cut and ruining the cigar.
-Take your time to light a cigar correctly by toasting the foot before bringing to your lips and puffing. This again goes back to the respecting the manufacturer.
-Do not smoke while working. Cigars are a means of relaxation.
-Do not crush your cigar out in an ashtray. Let the cigar die in peace at its own pace. This will help eliminate sour odors in the ashtray.
-Dispose of your finished cigar quickly and discretely. Many cigar nubs in an ashtray does not reflect well the tray's owner.
-Do not litter. Cellophane and cigar clippings have their place in the trash, not as eyesores for the population at large. Ash from your cigar does not belong on the floor. It belongs in the ashtray.
-Remember that cost is not the only measure of quality in cigars. Do not disrespect cigars as being poor quality because they are inexpensive.
-Be mindful that reviews are subjective. Do not purchase cigars based only on one review. Make up your own mind and be your own smoker.
-Cigars are many people's livelihoods. Do not disrespect a cigar you do not enjoy. Just state that they are not your taste and move on. Many peoples lives are built on the cigar that you do not like. Have respect for that.
When Smoking with a group:
-Do not judge, or look down on what cigars other people choose to smoke. What you think is a poor smoke may be the next guys holy grail.
-Do not give unsolicited smoking advice to others.
-If you are smoking in a cigar shop, purchase a cigar from the shop. This is a way of showing respect to the owner and thanking them for letting you smoke there.
-If you are smoking from a host's open humidor (free of charge) take only one cigar unless specifically directed by the host to take more.
-Remove the band of the cigar you are smoking. This eliminates the illusion that you may be trying to look elitist by smoking high end sticks in front of others.
-Should others leave bands on, do not mention it. This is, in reality, a very minor point.
-Respect the people that were in the room/shop/smoking area before you got there. Your spot is not reserved. Don't ask others to move. First come, first serve.
-Social status in a smoking lounge means nothing. How you handle yourself means everything. Garbage collectors and CEOs are all men in cigar shop, that is if you act like it.
-Do not lick the cap of your cigar before the cut if you are using the communal cutter. In fact, it is in good taste to leave the cellophane on (if it has cellophane) while making your cut with a communal cutter.
-If you lick the cap before you cut cigars with your cutter, do not lend out your cutter to others.
-Do not act flashy in how you light your cigar.
-Do not ask others to light your cigar for you. It is your cigar. The entire experience is yours.
-Do not ask to try a puff off of another smoker's cigar. That cigar is his/hers. Your cigar is yours. Each is a personal experience. Keep it that way.
-Do not pull out a toothpick or cigar holder to finish your nub. This indicates desperate behavior.
-Do not relight your cigar if you have already smoked past where the band was. This also indicates desperate behavior.
-Do not change the subject of conversation should you arrive in the middle of said conversation. Add to it if appropriate, but let it run its course.
-In similar fashion, do not force your conversation on others that do not want to be a part of it. Not everyone wants to know about how drunk you were last night and what woman of loose reputation you spent the evening with.
-Should conversation that makes you uncomfortable come up, either do not participate or quietly excuse yourself. Do not cause a scene.
-Should your cellphone ring, Take the conversation away from the group. Do not interrupt the group with your side affairs.
-If a new smoker breaks a cigar etiquette rule, do not scold, but rather inform in a respectful way. There is a good chance that a new smoker has not been exposed to the culture.
-When leaving the group make sure to thank the host for use of time and space to smoke and thank others around you for the camaraderie and conversation.
When smoking around non-cigar smokers:
-Do not act foolish by making a big deal that you are smoking a cigar. Most others will not care, or worse yet, you or they may be made to feel uncomfortable or unwelcome.
-Remember that the area that you may want to smoke in may be later occupied by non-smokers. If you feel that these people will be offended by lingering cigar odor, find another place to smoke.
-Cigar smoke can be offensive to others. If you walk into an area and notice others that are uncomfortable with the smoke, move along. If you are first in an area and they move to your space, respectfully stand your ground.
-Unless expressed by law, the outdoors is the most acceptable place to smoke.
-If going to non-smoking social events after your smoke, try to change your clothes before the event. Cigar smoke sticks to clothes and non-smokers will shy away from your lingering odor.
-If at all possible, do not leave your finished cigar in places that cause others to clean up after you.
-Do not talk about your cigar as if everyone around you cares about it. Only speak of it if you are asked about it. Should they do so, do not dominate the room with the conversation. Most non-smokers want to talk of other matters.
In relation to giving/receiving cigars:
-When making a trade, attempt to stay in the spirit of a fair trade. Equivalent cost and quality should be taken into account. Do not short your end of the trade and do not way over do it by giving too much. Either end may be misconstrued as disrespectful.
-When on the receiving end of a cigar bomb be gracious. Even if one or more of the cigars is a brand or brands you are not a fan of, they were sent to you out of respect and your enjoyment in mind. Thank them for the gesture and accept them.
-When sending out a bomb or gift, be mindful of the receiver's preferred flavor profile. Do not send out cigars you know they will not like.
-When participating in a box pass or forum game, be timely in your turn. Do not hold up the game or pass. If you have concerns that you cannot be timely, then do not participate.
-If you are on the short end of a trade gone bad, try your best to resolve in private. If this does not work, be respectful and truthful when bringing it out to the public.
-Trade in the spirit of buyer beware.
-If you do not get along with someone, do not attempt to thwart their trades, passes, or transaction. Just do not trade with them yourself.
-If someone you do not like to trade with signs up for a pass or game you set up or are a part of do not attempt to exclude them. Your personal feelings have no bearing on if they are a good trader or not.
-If, for personal reasons, you refuse to trade with an individual, do not advertise this fact. Quietly avoid situations where you would have to trade with them.
-Do not ask to be bombed. Bombs are a sign of respect. you will get one if you have acted accordingly and others feel you deserve one.
In relation to dealing with purchasing cigars:
-When in a cigar shop, do not talk about how you can find better deals in other cigar shops. The shop you are in is someones business. Driving business away from them is in poor taste.
-When on a forum hosted by a retailer (such as the cigar.com forum) do not post links to competitors. This is the same as driving business away from a Brick and Mortar shop.
-Do not ask for freebies. Should they be offered, be thankful, but do not expect them. These business owners have a business to run and they run the business to support themselves and their families.
-Remember that you are not the only one in the cigar shop. There may be others who need help from the sales person. Do not dominate their time. Also, spend as little time at the register as you are able. Others may be waiting in line.
-When purchasing cigars, make sure to thank your tobacconist for any help in making your purchase.
-Do not handle cigars you do not intend to purchase
-Do not let your nose touch a cigar if you do not intend on purchasing it.
-Should you accidentally drop or damage a cigar in a shop humidor, do not place it back in the box. Hand it to the tobacconist of the shop and explain what happened. Let them decide if it is worthy to be sold. If you damaged the cigar to the point where it cannot be sold, be prepared to buy it and do not complain if asked to do so.
-Should you find a cigar that is already damaged or has signs of beetles or mold, quietly bring this to the attention of the tobacconist. Do not cause a scene.
In relation to posting on internet cigar forums:
-Remember that all forums have hosts. They make the rules. When you sign up, you agree to follow those rules. Do not complain about them.
-The internet is full of people that do not share the views that you do. Be respectful of other points of view even if you do not agree.
-The internet is a place where many new people are looking to learn about a topic. Help others learn and share your love of cigars at every opportunity.
-Make new people feel welcome. Every one of us was new at some point. We all needed help. Help others they way you were helped.
-Approach forums in a perpetual newbie manor. There are many theories about cigars out there. There are many opinions out there. Do not act like you know everything about cigars. You do not. Nobody does. Learn what you can when you can.
-Ask questions often. Do not be shy.
-Answer questions often. Do not be shy.
-Respect other cigar opinions while stating your own. The topic can be interesting and fruitful if kept respectful.
-Be honest.
-Do not plagiarize posts or reviews. Many people put large amounts of time into these posts and reviews. Give credit where credit is due.
Remember that the cigar community is a community built on Tradition and respect for Gentlemen (and ladies) who want to enjoy an artful interpretation of tobaccos with other like minded enthusiasts. Use common sense and discretion should any issues come up. Most importantly, try to relax and enjoy.
In reality, this is by no means an "end all" guide when it comes to cigar etiquette. This is how (and why) I (attempt to) act in different situations within the cigar world. As i have said many times before, I am just a guy that likes cigars a little too much. Should more points come to mind, I will edit accordingly on the first post. No need for a lengthy introduction. Down to business.
Pertaining to the cigar itself:
-Use a proper cutter to cut your cigar. Biting off the end, cutting with a dull knife, or using fingernails to cut leaves to much chance of disrespecting the manufacturer by flubbing a cut and ruining the cigar.
-Take your time to light a cigar correctly by toasting the foot before bringing to your lips and puffing. This again goes back to the respecting the manufacturer.
-Do not smoke while working. Cigars are a means of relaxation.
-Do not crush your cigar out in an ashtray. Let the cigar die in peace at its own pace. This will help eliminate sour odors in the ashtray.
-Dispose of your finished cigar quickly and discretely. Many cigar nubs in an ashtray does not reflect well the tray's owner.
-Do not litter. Cellophane and cigar clippings have their place in the trash, not as eyesores for the population at large. Ash from your cigar does not belong on the floor. It belongs in the ashtray.
-Remember that cost is not the only measure of quality in cigars. Do not disrespect cigars as being poor quality because they are inexpensive.
-Be mindful that reviews are subjective. Do not purchase cigars based only on one review. Make up your own mind and be your own smoker.
-Cigars are many people's livelihoods. Do not disrespect a cigar you do not enjoy. Just state that they are not your taste and move on. Many peoples lives are built on the cigar that you do not like. Have respect for that.
When Smoking with a group:
-Do not judge, or look down on what cigars other people choose to smoke. What you think is a poor smoke may be the next guys holy grail.
-Do not give unsolicited smoking advice to others.
-If you are smoking in a cigar shop, purchase a cigar from the shop. This is a way of showing respect to the owner and thanking them for letting you smoke there.
-If you are smoking from a host's open humidor (free of charge) take only one cigar unless specifically directed by the host to take more.
-Remove the band of the cigar you are smoking. This eliminates the illusion that you may be trying to look elitist by smoking high end sticks in front of others.
-Should others leave bands on, do not mention it. This is, in reality, a very minor point.
-Respect the people that were in the room/shop/smoking area before you got there. Your spot is not reserved. Don't ask others to move. First come, first serve.
-Social status in a smoking lounge means nothing. How you handle yourself means everything. Garbage collectors and CEOs are all men in cigar shop, that is if you act like it.
-Do not lick the cap of your cigar before the cut if you are using the communal cutter. In fact, it is in good taste to leave the cellophane on (if it has cellophane) while making your cut with a communal cutter.
-If you lick the cap before you cut cigars with your cutter, do not lend out your cutter to others.
-Do not act flashy in how you light your cigar.
-Do not ask others to light your cigar for you. It is your cigar. The entire experience is yours.
-Do not ask to try a puff off of another smoker's cigar. That cigar is his/hers. Your cigar is yours. Each is a personal experience. Keep it that way.
-Do not pull out a toothpick or cigar holder to finish your nub. This indicates desperate behavior.
-Do not relight your cigar if you have already smoked past where the band was. This also indicates desperate behavior.
-Do not change the subject of conversation should you arrive in the middle of said conversation. Add to it if appropriate, but let it run its course.
-In similar fashion, do not force your conversation on others that do not want to be a part of it. Not everyone wants to know about how drunk you were last night and what woman of loose reputation you spent the evening with.
-Should conversation that makes you uncomfortable come up, either do not participate or quietly excuse yourself. Do not cause a scene.
-Should your cellphone ring, Take the conversation away from the group. Do not interrupt the group with your side affairs.
-If a new smoker breaks a cigar etiquette rule, do not scold, but rather inform in a respectful way. There is a good chance that a new smoker has not been exposed to the culture.
-When leaving the group make sure to thank the host for use of time and space to smoke and thank others around you for the camaraderie and conversation.
When smoking around non-cigar smokers:
-Do not act foolish by making a big deal that you are smoking a cigar. Most others will not care, or worse yet, you or they may be made to feel uncomfortable or unwelcome.
-Remember that the area that you may want to smoke in may be later occupied by non-smokers. If you feel that these people will be offended by lingering cigar odor, find another place to smoke.
-Cigar smoke can be offensive to others. If you walk into an area and notice others that are uncomfortable with the smoke, move along. If you are first in an area and they move to your space, respectfully stand your ground.
-Unless expressed by law, the outdoors is the most acceptable place to smoke.
-If going to non-smoking social events after your smoke, try to change your clothes before the event. Cigar smoke sticks to clothes and non-smokers will shy away from your lingering odor.
-If at all possible, do not leave your finished cigar in places that cause others to clean up after you.
-Do not talk about your cigar as if everyone around you cares about it. Only speak of it if you are asked about it. Should they do so, do not dominate the room with the conversation. Most non-smokers want to talk of other matters.
In relation to giving/receiving cigars:
-When making a trade, attempt to stay in the spirit of a fair trade. Equivalent cost and quality should be taken into account. Do not short your end of the trade and do not way over do it by giving too much. Either end may be misconstrued as disrespectful.
-When on the receiving end of a cigar bomb be gracious. Even if one or more of the cigars is a brand or brands you are not a fan of, they were sent to you out of respect and your enjoyment in mind. Thank them for the gesture and accept them.
-When sending out a bomb or gift, be mindful of the receiver's preferred flavor profile. Do not send out cigars you know they will not like.
-When participating in a box pass or forum game, be timely in your turn. Do not hold up the game or pass. If you have concerns that you cannot be timely, then do not participate.
-If you are on the short end of a trade gone bad, try your best to resolve in private. If this does not work, be respectful and truthful when bringing it out to the public.
-Trade in the spirit of buyer beware.
-If you do not get along with someone, do not attempt to thwart their trades, passes, or transaction. Just do not trade with them yourself.
-If someone you do not like to trade with signs up for a pass or game you set up or are a part of do not attempt to exclude them. Your personal feelings have no bearing on if they are a good trader or not.
-If, for personal reasons, you refuse to trade with an individual, do not advertise this fact. Quietly avoid situations where you would have to trade with them.
-Do not ask to be bombed. Bombs are a sign of respect. you will get one if you have acted accordingly and others feel you deserve one.
In relation to dealing with purchasing cigars:
-When in a cigar shop, do not talk about how you can find better deals in other cigar shops. The shop you are in is someones business. Driving business away from them is in poor taste.
-When on a forum hosted by a retailer (such as the cigar.com forum) do not post links to competitors. This is the same as driving business away from a Brick and Mortar shop.
-Do not ask for freebies. Should they be offered, be thankful, but do not expect them. These business owners have a business to run and they run the business to support themselves and their families.
-Remember that you are not the only one in the cigar shop. There may be others who need help from the sales person. Do not dominate their time. Also, spend as little time at the register as you are able. Others may be waiting in line.
-When purchasing cigars, make sure to thank your tobacconist for any help in making your purchase.
-Do not handle cigars you do not intend to purchase
-Do not let your nose touch a cigar if you do not intend on purchasing it.
-Should you accidentally drop or damage a cigar in a shop humidor, do not place it back in the box. Hand it to the tobacconist of the shop and explain what happened. Let them decide if it is worthy to be sold. If you damaged the cigar to the point where it cannot be sold, be prepared to buy it and do not complain if asked to do so.
-Should you find a cigar that is already damaged or has signs of beetles or mold, quietly bring this to the attention of the tobacconist. Do not cause a scene.
In relation to posting on internet cigar forums:
-Remember that all forums have hosts. They make the rules. When you sign up, you agree to follow those rules. Do not complain about them.
-The internet is full of people that do not share the views that you do. Be respectful of other points of view even if you do not agree.
-The internet is a place where many new people are looking to learn about a topic. Help others learn and share your love of cigars at every opportunity.
-Make new people feel welcome. Every one of us was new at some point. We all needed help. Help others they way you were helped.
-Approach forums in a perpetual newbie manor. There are many theories about cigars out there. There are many opinions out there. Do not act like you know everything about cigars. You do not. Nobody does. Learn what you can when you can.
-Ask questions often. Do not be shy.
-Answer questions often. Do not be shy.
-Respect other cigar opinions while stating your own. The topic can be interesting and fruitful if kept respectful.
-Be honest.
-Do not plagiarize posts or reviews. Many people put large amounts of time into these posts and reviews. Give credit where credit is due.
Remember that the cigar community is a community built on Tradition and respect for Gentlemen (and ladies) who want to enjoy an artful interpretation of tobaccos with other like minded enthusiasts. Use common sense and discretion should any issues come up. Most importantly, try to relax and enjoy.
^
Two people with a common goal can accomplish many things. Two people with a common enemy can accomplish even more.
A good thread to read, in case anyone has missed it (especially the newer folks).
ShadowInTheMoon:
kuzi16:
In reality, this is by no means an "end all" guide when it comes to cigar etiquette. This is how (and why) I (attempt to) act in different situations within the cigar world. As i have said many times before, I am just a guy that likes cigars a little too much. Should more points come to mind, I will edit accordingly on the first post. No need for a lengthy introduction. Down to business.
Pertaining to the cigar itself:
-Use a proper cutter to cut your cigar. Biting off the end, cutting with a dull knife, or using fingernails to cut leaves to much chance of disrespecting the manufacturer by flubbing a cut and ruining the cigar.
-Take your time to light a cigar correctly by toasting the foot before bringing to your lips and puffing. This again goes back to the respecting the manufacturer.
-Do not smoke while working. Cigars are a means of relaxation.
-Do not crush your cigar out in an ashtray. Let the cigar die in peace at its own pace. This will help eliminate sour odors in the ashtray.
-Dispose of your finished cigar quickly and discretely. Many cigar nubs in an ashtray does not reflect well the tray's owner.
-Do not litter. Cellophane and cigar clippings have their place in the trash, not as eyesores for the population at large. Ash from your cigar does not belong on the floor. It belongs in the ashtray.
-Remember that cost is not the only measure of quality in cigars. Do not disrespect cigars as being poor quality because they are inexpensive.
-Be mindful that reviews are subjective. Do not purchase cigars based only on one review. Make up your own mind and be your own smoker.
-Cigars are many people's livelihoods. Do not disrespect a cigar you do not enjoy. Just state that they are not your taste and move on. Many peoples lives are built on the cigar that you do not like. Have respect for that.
When Smoking with a group:
-Do not judge, or look down on what cigars other people choose to smoke. What you think is a poor smoke may be the next guys holy grail.
-Do not give unsolicited smoking advice to others.
-If you are smoking in a cigar shop, purchase a cigar from the shop. This is a way of showing respect to the owner and thanking them for letting you smoke there.
-If you are smoking from a host's open humidor (free of charge) take only one cigar unless specifically directed by the host to take more.
-Remove the band of the cigar you are smoking. This eliminates the illusion that you may be trying to look elitist by smoking high end sticks in front of others.
-Should others leave bands on, do not mention it. This is, in reality, a very minor point.
-Respect the people that were in the room/shop/smoking area before you got there. Your spot is not reserved. Don't ask others to move. First come, first serve.
-Social status in a smoking lounge means nothing. How you handle yourself means everything. Garbage collectors and CEOs are all men in cigar shop, that is if you act like it.
-Do not lick the cap of your cigar before the cut if you are using the communal cutter. In fact, it is in good taste to leave the cellophane on (if it has cellophane) while making your cut with a communal cutter.
-If you lick the cap before you cut cigars with your cutter, do not lend out your cutter to others.
-Do not act flashy in how you light your cigar.
-Do not ask others to light your cigar for you. It is your cigar. The entire experience is yours.
-Do not ask to try a puff off of another smoker's cigar. That cigar is his/hers. Your cigar is yours. Each is a personal experience. Keep it that way.
-Do not pull out a toothpick or cigar holder to finish your nub. This indicates desperate behavior.
-Do not relight your cigar if you have already smoked past where the band was. This also indicates desperate behavior.
-Do not change the subject of conversation should you arrive in the middle of said conversation. Add to it if appropriate, but let it run its course.
-In similar fashion, do not force your conversation on others that do not want to be a part of it. Not everyone wants to know about how drunk you were last night and what woman of loose reputation you spent the evening with.
-Should conversation that makes you uncomfortable come up, either do not participate or quietly excuse yourself. Do not cause a scene.
-Should your cellphone ring, Take the conversation away from the group. Do not interrupt the group with your side affairs.
-If a new smoker breaks a cigar etiquette rule, do not scold, but rather inform in a respectful way. There is a good chance that a new smoker has not been exposed to the culture.
-When leaving the group make sure to thank the host for use of time and space to smoke and thank others around you for the camaraderie and conversation.
When smoking around non-cigar smokers:
-Do not act foolish by making a big deal that you are smoking a cigar. Most others will not care, or worse yet, you or they may be made to feel uncomfortable or unwelcome.
-Remember that the area that you may want to smoke in may be later occupied by non-smokers. If you feel that these people will be offended by lingering cigar odor, find another place to smoke.
-Cigar smoke can be offensive to others. If you walk into an area and notice others that are uncomfortable with the smoke, move along. If you are first in an area and they move to your space, respectfully stand your ground.
-Unless expressed by law, the outdoors is the most acceptable place to smoke.
-If going to non-smoking social events after your smoke, try to change your clothes before the event. Cigar smoke sticks to clothes and non-smokers will shy away from your lingering odor.
-If at all possible, do not leave your finished cigar in places that cause others to clean up after you.
-Do not talk about your cigar as if everyone around you cares about it. Only speak of it if you are asked about it. Should they do so, do not dominate the room with the conversation. Most non-smokers want to talk of other matters.
In relation to giving/receiving cigars:
-When making a trade, attempt to stay in the spirit of a fair trade. Equivalent cost and quality should be taken into account. Do not short your end of the trade and do not way over do it by giving too much. Either end may be misconstrued as disrespectful.
-When on the receiving end of a cigar bomb be gracious. Even if one or more of the cigars is a brand or brands you are not a fan of, they were sent to you out of respect and your enjoyment in mind. Thank them for the gesture and accept them.
-When sending out a bomb or gift, be mindful of the receiver's preferred flavor profile. Do not send out cigars you know they will not like.
-When participating in a box pass or forum game, be timely in your turn. Do not hold up the game or pass. If you have concerns that you cannot be timely, then do not participate.
-If you are on the short end of a trade gone bad, try your best to resolve in private. If this does not work, be respectful and truthful when bringing it out to the public.
-Trade in the spirit of buyer beware.
-If you do not get along with someone, do not attempt to thwart their trades, passes, or transaction. Just do not trade with them yourself.
-If someone you do not like to trade with signs up for a pass or game you set up or are a part of do not attempt to exclude them. Your personal feelings have no bearing on if they are a good trader or not.
-If, for personal reasons, you refuse to trade with an individual, do not advertise this fact. Quietly avoid situations where you would have to trade with them.
-Do not ask to be bombed. Bombs are a sign of respect. you will get one if you have acted accordingly and others feel you deserve one.
In relation to dealing with purchasing cigars:
-When in a cigar shop, do not talk about how you can find better deals in other cigar shops. The shop you are in is someones business. Driving business away from them is in poor taste.
-When on a forum hosted by a retailer (such as the cigar.com forum) do not post links to competitors. This is the same as driving business away from a Brick and Mortar shop.
-Do not ask for freebies. Should they be offered, be thankful, but do not expect them. These business owners have a business to run and they run the business to support themselves and their families.
-Remember that you are not the only one in the cigar shop. There may be others who need help from the sales person. Do not dominate their time. Also, spend as little time at the register as you are able. Others may be waiting in line.
-When purchasing cigars, make sure to thank your tobacconist for any help in making your purchase.
-Do not handle cigars you do not intend to purchase
-Do not let your nose touch a cigar if you do not intend on purchasing it.
-Should you accidentally drop or damage a cigar in a shop humidor, do not place it back in the box. Hand it to the tobacconist of the shop and explain what happened. Let them decide if it is worthy to be sold. If you damaged the cigar to the point where it cannot be sold, be prepared to buy it and do not complain if asked to do so.
-Should you find a cigar that is already damaged or has signs of beetles or mold, quietly bring this to the attention of the tobacconist. Do not cause a scene.
In relation to posting on internet cigar forums:
-Remember that all forums have hosts. They make the rules. When you sign up, you agree to follow those rules. Do not complain about them.
-The internet is full of people that do not share the views that you do. Be respectful of other points of view even if you do not agree.
-The internet is a place where many new people are looking to learn about a topic. Help others learn and share your love of cigars at every opportunity.
-Make new people feel welcome. Every one of us was new at some point. We all needed help. Help others they way you were helped.
-Approach forums in a perpetual newbie manor. There are many theories about cigars out there. There are many opinions out there. Do not act like you know everything about cigars. You do not. Nobody does. Learn what you can when you can.
-Ask questions often. Do not be shy.
-Answer questions often. Do not be shy.
-Respect other cigar opinions while stating your own. The topic can be interesting and fruitful if kept respectful.
-Be honest.
-Do not plagiarize posts or reviews. Many people put large amounts of time into these posts and reviews. Give credit where credit is due.
Remember that the cigar community is a community built on Tradition and respect for Gentlemen (and ladies) who want to enjoy an artful interpretation of tobaccos with other like minded enthusiasts. Use common sense and discretion should any issues come up. Most importantly, try to relax and enjoy.
Love this post from Kuzi. If you haven't already seen this, give it a once over.
I'm going to read it again. Good things to keep in mind (especially this time of year when everything's hectic and we can lose sight of what's really important.)
ShadowInTheMoon:
kuzi16:
In reality, this is by no means an "end all" guide when it comes to cigar etiquette. This is how (and why) I (attempt to) act in different situations within the cigar world. As i have said many times before, I am just a guy that likes cigars a little too much. Should more points come to mind, I will edit accordingly on the first post. No need for a lengthy introduction. Down to business.
Pertaining to the cigar itself:
-Use a proper cutter to cut your cigar. Biting off the end, cutting with a dull knife, or using fingernails to cut leaves to much chance of disrespecting the manufacturer by flubbing a cut and ruining the cigar.
-Take your time to light a cigar correctly by toasting the foot before bringing to your lips and puffing. This again goes back to the respecting the manufacturer.
-Do not smoke while working. Cigars are a means of relaxation.
-Do not crush your cigar out in an ashtray. Let the cigar die in peace at its own pace. This will help eliminate sour odors in the ashtray.
-Dispose of your finished cigar quickly and discretely. Many cigar nubs in an ashtray does not reflect well the tray's owner.
-Do not litter. Cellophane and cigar clippings have their place in the trash, not as eyesores for the population at large. Ash from your cigar does not belong on the floor. It belongs in the ashtray.
-Remember that cost is not the only measure of quality in cigars. Do not disrespect cigars as being poor quality because they are inexpensive.
-Be mindful that reviews are subjective. Do not purchase cigars based only on one review. Make up your own mind and be your own smoker.
-Cigars are many people's livelihoods. Do not disrespect a cigar you do not enjoy. Just state that they are not your taste and move on. Many peoples lives are built on the cigar that you do not like. Have respect for that.
When Smoking with a group:
-Do not judge, or look down on what cigars other people choose to smoke. What you think is a poor smoke may be the next guys holy grail.
-Do not give unsolicited smoking advice to others.
-If you are smoking in a cigar shop, purchase a cigar from the shop. This is a way of showing respect to the owner and thanking them for letting you smoke there.
-If you are smoking from a host's open humidor (free of charge) take only one cigar unless specifically directed by the host to take more.
-Remove the band of the cigar you are smoking. This eliminates the illusion that you may be trying to look elitist by smoking high end sticks in front of others.
-Should others leave bands on, do not mention it. This is, in reality, a very minor point.
-Respect the people that were in the room/shop/smoking area before you got there. Your spot is not reserved. Don't ask others to move. First come, first serve.
-Social status in a smoking lounge means nothing. How you handle yourself means everything. Garbage collectors and CEOs are all men in cigar shop, that is if you act like it.
-Do not lick the cap of your cigar before the cut if you are using the communal cutter. In fact, it is in good taste to leave the cellophane on (if it has cellophane) while making your cut with a communal cutter.
-If you lick the cap before you cut cigars with your cutter, do not lend out your cutter to others.
-Do not act flashy in how you light your cigar.
-Do not ask others to light your cigar for you. It is your cigar. The entire experience is yours.
-Do not ask to try a puff off of another smoker's cigar. That cigar is his/hers. Your cigar is yours. Each is a personal experience. Keep it that way.
-Do not pull out a toothpick or cigar holder to finish your nub. This indicates desperate behavior.
-Do not relight your cigar if you have already smoked past where the band was. This also indicates desperate behavior.
-Do not change the subject of conversation should you arrive in the middle of said conversation. Add to it if appropriate, but let it run its course.
-In similar fashion, do not force your conversation on others that do not want to be a part of it. Not everyone wants to know about how drunk you were last night and what woman of loose reputation you spent the evening with.
-Should conversation that makes you uncomfortable come up, either do not participate or quietly excuse yourself. Do not cause a scene.
-Should your cellphone ring, Take the conversation away from the group. Do not interrupt the group with your side affairs.
-If a new smoker breaks a cigar etiquette rule, do not scold, but rather inform in a respectful way. There is a good chance that a new smoker has not been exposed to the culture.
-When leaving the group make sure to thank the host for use of time and space to smoke and thank others around you for the camaraderie and conversation.
When smoking around non-cigar smokers:
-Do not act foolish by making a big deal that you are smoking a cigar. Most others will not care, or worse yet, you or they may be made to feel uncomfortable or unwelcome.
-Remember that the area that you may want to smoke in may be later occupied by non-smokers. If you feel that these people will be offended by lingering cigar odor, find another place to smoke.
-Cigar smoke can be offensive to others. If you walk into an area and notice others that are uncomfortable with the smoke, move along. If you are first in an area and they move to your space, respectfully stand your ground.
-Unless expressed by law, the outdoors is the most acceptable place to smoke.
-If going to non-smoking social events after your smoke, try to change your clothes before the event. Cigar smoke sticks to clothes and non-smokers will shy away from your lingering odor.
-If at all possible, do not leave your finished cigar in places that cause others to clean up after you.
-Do not talk about your cigar as if everyone around you cares about it. Only speak of it if you are asked about it. Should they do so, do not dominate the room with the conversation. Most non-smokers want to talk of other matters.
In relation to giving/receiving cigars:
-When making a trade, attempt to stay in the spirit of a fair trade. Equivalent cost and quality should be taken into account. Do not short your end of the trade and do not way over do it by giving too much. Either end may be misconstrued as disrespectful.
-When on the receiving end of a cigar bomb be gracious. Even if one or more of the cigars is a brand or brands you are not a fan of, they were sent to you out of respect and your enjoyment in mind. Thank them for the gesture and accept them.
-When sending out a bomb or gift, be mindful of the receiver's preferred flavor profile. Do not send out cigars you know they will not like.
-When participating in a box pass or forum game, be timely in your turn. Do not hold up the game or pass. If you have concerns that you cannot be timely, then do not participate.
-If you are on the short end of a trade gone bad, try your best to resolve in private. If this does not work, be respectful and truthful when bringing it out to the public.
-Trade in the spirit of buyer beware.
-If you do not get along with someone, do not attempt to thwart their trades, passes, or transaction. Just do not trade with them yourself.
-If someone you do not like to trade with signs up for a pass or game you set up or are a part of do not attempt to exclude them. Your personal feelings have no bearing on if they are a good trader or not.
-If, for personal reasons, you refuse to trade with an individual, do not advertise this fact. Quietly avoid situations where you would have to trade with them.
-Do not ask to be bombed. Bombs are a sign of respect. you will get one if you have acted accordingly and others feel you deserve one.
In relation to dealing with purchasing cigars:
-When in a cigar shop, do not talk about how you can find better deals in other cigar shops. The shop you are in is someones business. Driving business away from them is in poor taste.
-When on a forum hosted by a retailer (such as the cigar.com forum) do not post links to competitors. This is the same as driving business away from a Brick and Mortar shop.
-Do not ask for freebies. Should they be offered, be thankful, but do not expect them. These business owners have a business to run and they run the business to support themselves and their families.
-Remember that you are not the only one in the cigar shop. There may be others who need help from the sales person. Do not dominate their time. Also, spend as little time at the register as you are able. Others may be waiting in line.
-When purchasing cigars, make sure to thank your tobacconist for any help in making your purchase.
-Do not handle cigars you do not intend to purchase
-Do not let your nose touch a cigar if you do not intend on purchasing it.
-Should you accidentally drop or damage a cigar in a shop humidor, do not place it back in the box. Hand it to the tobacconist of the shop and explain what happened. Let them decide if it is worthy to be sold. If you damaged the cigar to the point where it cannot be sold, be prepared to buy it and do not complain if asked to do so.
-Should you find a cigar that is already damaged or has signs of beetles or mold, quietly bring this to the attention of the tobacconist. Do not cause a scene.
In relation to posting on internet cigar forums:
-Remember that all forums have hosts. They make the rules. When you sign up, you agree to follow those rules. Do not complain about them.
-The internet is full of people that do not share the views that you do. Be respectful of other points of view even if you do not agree.
-The internet is a place where many new people are looking to learn about a topic. Help others learn and share your love of cigars at every opportunity.
-Make new people feel welcome. Every one of us was new at some point. We all needed help. Help others they way you were helped.
-Approach forums in a perpetual newbie manor. There are many theories about cigars out there. There are many opinions out there. Do not act like you know everything about cigars. You do not. Nobody does. Learn what you can when you can.
-Ask questions often. Do not be shy.
-Answer questions often. Do not be shy.
-Respect other cigar opinions while stating your own. The topic can be interesting and fruitful if kept respectful.
-Be honest.
-Do not plagiarize posts or reviews. Many people put large amounts of time into these posts and reviews. Give credit where credit is due.
Remember that the cigar community is a community built on Tradition and respect for Gentlemen (and ladies) who want to enjoy an artful interpretation of tobaccos with other like minded enthusiasts. Use common sense and discretion should any issues come up. Most importantly, try to relax and enjoy.
"When I have found intense pain relieved, a weary brain soothed, and calm, refreshing sleep obtained by a cigar, I have felt grateful to God, and have blessed His name." - Charles Haddon Spurgeon
I know this is an old post but iv learned a lot from reading it and the replies. I'm a new-ish collector smoked cigars for a couple years but now getting Into buying and looking to get into trading and be more engulfed in the community. Thank you kuzi vet much appreciated.
bumping this for new folks ... lots of "new" smokers aren't sure how to handle smoking in crowds, B&M etiquette, etc. These rules aren't set in stone but Kuzi has some pretty good points in the first post and good "food for thought".
(I also realize I may have come across as a **** on here a few times lately so apologize to anyone I've offended, will try to not run my mouth so much & be nicer in the future.)
bumping this for new folks ... lots of "new" smokers aren't sure how to handle smoking in crowds, B&M etiquette, etc. These rules aren't set in stone but Kuzi has some pretty good points in the first post and good "food for thought".
(I also realize I may have come across as a **** on here a few times lately so apologize to anyone I've offended, will try to not run my mouth so much & be nicer in the future.)
That's what a **** would say... you're one of the nicest guys around
bumping this for new folks ... lots of "new" smokers aren't sure how to handle smoking in crowds, B&M etiquette, etc. These rules aren't set in stone but Kuzi has some pretty good points in the first post and good "food for thought".
(I also realize I may have come across as a **** on here a few times lately so apologize to anyone I've offended, will try to not run my mouth so much & be nicer in the future.)
That's what a **** would say... you're one of the nicest guys around
"I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form." -- Winston Churchill "LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
This was a great read,thank you for all the good advice. I'm new to this forum and have found some very useful information about my new love for the leaf.
Well, I must sheepishly admit I took a while to read this as a very inquisitive newb. But, well done @kuzi16. This was a nice primer to newb and reminder to the most savvy of cigar vet of very basic etiquette.
I'm sure it will require numerous rereads for me to proces, internalize and operationalize the fantastic lessons found in the post. I only took issue with the nubbing guideline, but that's all that comes to mind. So, let me end my post/comment/critique with "Thanks, mate. Good on, ya!"
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but my real question was not with this particular B&M per say but with my wife being able to have a flavored/infused cigar (pick any B&M with a lounge) around other cigar smokers and the smells bothering them related to the "etiquette" involved with it
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I'm going to read it again. Good things to keep in mind (especially this time of year when everything's hectic and we can lose sight of what's really important.)
* I have a new address as of 3/24/18 *
* I have a new address as of 3/24/18 *
(I also realize I may have come across as a **** on here a few times lately so apologize to anyone I've offended, will try to not run my mouth so much & be nicer in the future.)
* I have a new address as of 3/24/18 *
* I have a new address as of 3/24/18 *
* I have a new address as of 3/24/18 *
-- Winston Churchill
"LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
BTT
-Jay
I'm sure it will require numerous rereads for me to proces, internalize and operationalize the fantastic lessons found in the post. I only took issue with the nubbing guideline, but that's all that comes to mind. So, let me end my post/comment/critique with "Thanks, mate. Good on, ya!"