i actually really enjoy most ashtons - i am over the whole ISOM deal - had a montecristo and cohiba in jamaica and they weren't anything special by any means
Can't forget Davidoff. Super expensive cigars sold to rich guys that know nothing about cigars. At least, that's how I've always viewed them.
wow....
yes they are expensive. and that is how i used to view them.
but after years developing my palate i finally mustered up the nerve to buy one to see if they are worth the price.
i can assure you, they are 100% worth it.
...not to mention the AVO line as well (AVO is made by Davidoff) . the AVO domaine in particular is a damn fine cigar with subtle complexities that if you are not paying attention will pass you by. Davidoff produces a cigar for a niche market within the industry. it is not for those people who want in your face flavor. its for those who want subtle yet extreme complexity. you may think they are "over rated", but i claim that they are just "not what you are looking for"
my overrated cigar? That's easy, Opus X. Probably most under rated cigar for me was probably the I-Press. (for me that is)
i can see how many would call the opus over rated. I happen to like them. i tend to think they arent as much over rated as "over priced"
another note on OpusX... they seem to have been not as good in the last two years as some of the older OpusX i have had. i still like them but this also tends to add to the "overrated-ness" of the cigar.
Send me your addy and I'll come over with my gun.... ... I think he might be "slightly" overrated... But then again just as Gurkha has that "Gurkha flavor" so does RP have that "Rocky Patel flavor". Sometimes it is just not "what you are looking for"...
Send me your addy and I'll come over with my gun.... ... I think he might be "slightly" overrated... But then again just as Gurkha has that "Gurkha flavor" so does RP have that "Rocky Patel flavor". Sometimes it is just not "what you are looking for"...
ill even say gurkha is over rated for the exact same reason.
each individual cigar isnt over rated. but the brand is over rated because all of the blends are so similar. a mark of a very good brand is to have complexity from one line to another. Oliva serie O, V, and G are nothing alike. the nub is another completely different cigar, so are the master blends, flor de oliva, el cobre, etc...
RP and Gurkha are over rated because they fail to impress after the first one. ( with one or two small exceptions for each brand) they all have the same feel.
Send me your addy and I'll come over with my gun.... ... I think he might be "slightly" overrated... But then again just as Gurkha has that "Gurkha flavor" so does RP have that "Rocky Patel flavor". Sometimes it is just not "what you are looking for"...
ill even say gurkha is over rated for the exact same reason.
each individual cigar isnt over rated. but the brand is over rated because all of the blends are so similar. a mark of a very good brand is to have complexity from one line to another. Oliva serie O, V, and G are nothing alike. the nub is another completely different cigar, so are the master blends, flor de oliva, el cobre, etc...
RP and Gurkha are over rated because they fail to impress after the first one. ( with one or two small exceptions for each brand) they all have the same feel.
I feel after smoking a Rocky Patel that he may be stretching himself too thin... His name is on EVERYTHING and he produces cigar after cigar and I think that can dilute the quality or the unique-ness...
I happen to enjoy some Rocky's but I do get that "Same Flavor" with them and that is sad
Send me your addy and I'll come over with my gun.... ... I think he might be "slightly" overrated... But then again just as Gurkha has that "Gurkha flavor" so does RP have that "Rocky Patel flavor". Sometimes it is just not "what you are looking for"...
ill even say gurkha is over rated for the exact same reason.
each individual cigar isnt over rated. but the brand is over rated because all of the blends are so similar. a mark of a very good brand is to have complexity from one line to another. Oliva serie O, V, and G are nothing alike. the nub is another completely different cigar, so are the master blends, flor de oliva, el cobre, etc...
RP and Gurkha are over rated because they fail to impress after the first one. ( with one or two small exceptions for each brand) they all have the same feel.
I feel after smoking a Rocky Patel that he may be stretching himself too thin... His name is on EVERYTHING and he produces cigar after cigar and I think that can dilute the quality or the unique-ness...
I happen to enjoy some Rocky's but I do get that "Same Flavor" with them and that is sad
if rocky patel and gurkha trimmed down to about 15 blends each then neither would be over rated in my opinion. they would fall under the category of "not what im looking for"
Send me your addy and I'll come over with my gun.... ... I think he might be "slightly" overrated... But then again just as Gurkha has that "Gurkha flavor" so does RP have that "Rocky Patel flavor". Sometimes it is just not "what you are looking for"...
ill even say gurkha is over rated for the exact same reason.
each individual cigar isnt over rated. but the brand is over rated because all of the blends are so similar. a mark of a very good brand is to have complexity from one line to another. Oliva serie O, V, and G are nothing alike. the nub is another completely different cigar, so are the master blends, flor de oliva, el cobre, etc...
RP and Gurkha are over rated because they fail to impress after the first one. ( with one or two small exceptions for each brand) they all have the same feel.
I feel after smoking a Rocky Patel that he may be stretching himself too thin... His name is on EVERYTHING and he produces cigar after cigar and I think that can dilute the quality or the unique-ness...
I happen to enjoy some Rocky's but I do get that "Same Flavor" with them and that is sad
I've never really thought about it because I don't smoke a lot of RP's, but this makes perfect sense. RP has never impressed me enough to cause me to run right towards his blends in the humi at the B&M.
Send me your addy and I'll come over with my gun.... ... I think he might be "slightly" overrated... But then again just as Gurkha has that "Gurkha flavor" so does RP have that "Rocky Patel flavor". Sometimes it is just not "what you are looking for"...
ill even say gurkha is over rated for the exact same reason.
each individual cigar isnt over rated. but the brand is over rated because all of the blends are so similar. a mark of a very good brand is to have complexity from one line to another. Oliva serie O, V, and G are nothing alike. the nub is another completely different cigar, so are the master blends, flor de oliva, el cobre, etc...
RP and Gurkha are over rated because they fail to impress after the first one. ( with one or two small exceptions for each brand) they all have the same feel.
I feel after smoking a Rocky Patel that he may be stretching himself too thin... His name is on EVERYTHING and he produces cigar after cigar and I think that can dilute the quality or the unique-ness...
I happen to enjoy some Rocky's but I do get that "Same Flavor" with them and that is sad
if rocky patel and gurkha trimmed down to about 15 blends each then neither would be over rated in my opinion. they would fall under the category of "not what im looking for"
I totally agree... I myself don't get it why RP decided to venture into sooo many things! Soooo many blends and recycled blends and house blends, etc, etc... He should stick only to what is listed on his website! That's it... Those are the good ones anyway. He does seem to cater to a particular taste, but I feel this would be the case with every ONE blender. Even Don Pepin Garcia... What I mean is that if only ONE blender does ALL blends for a company it is bound to have less diversity in taste and feel. The ONE blender has ONE palate and this palate caters to ONE specific "feel/taste". This is why it is kind of easy to distinguish the blender of a cigar. Especially if it is RP or DPG... Oliva, I believe has a few blenders... Anyway.. IDK... I do love Rocky, but I do see he is getting carried away. He def. needs a business model check...
On the subject or Rocky Patel, you need to look at how he does things; he has tons of blends out on the market, in both the Rocky Patel line, and the Indian Tabac line. He rarely discontinues blends, which leads me to believe that he's at least breaking even on all his blends, or at the very least not suffering major losses. If he can sell, why not? If he makes a bad brand, stop buying it, and eventually, he'll stop selling it. Insofar as inconsistency, I haven't really noticed it, except in the double maduro blend.
From memory, I've had three good ones and a bad one. The bad one burned poorly, and tasted off, sort of faded. The good ones were delicious. Also, it's worth noting that last one was also a cigar I had right after being sick and not smoking for like, two weeks. It was awesome because of that.
Davidoff, Graycliff, Cohiba, RP Olde World Reserve, Illusione CG 4 (MJ 12 is a fantastic smoke.), Gurkah Black Puro, RP Renissance. IMHO
What's wrong with the RP Olde World? I really liked the maduro!
I would have to agree with you. I really like the OWR and Renisssance. Very classy smokes, especially the OWR. I don't see anything wrong with these. I also like the maduro OWR over the natural.
my overrated cigar? That's easy, Opus X. Probably most under rated cigar for me was probably the I-Press. (for me that is)
i can see how many would call the opus over rated. I happen to like them. i tend to think they arent as much over rated as "over priced"
another note on OpusX... they seem to have been not as good in the last two years as some of the older OpusX i have had. i still like them but this also tends to add to the "overrated-ness" of the cigar.
I've only had 1 opus so far, and while it was a very good smoke, I didn't notice any justification for the price. Great smoke, just not worth the hype/price (IMO).
Davidoff, Graycliff, Cohiba, RP Olde World Reserve, Illusione CG 4 (MJ 12 is a fantastic smoke.), Gurkah Black Puro, RP Renissance. IMHO
What's wrong with the RP Olde World? I really liked the maduro!
I would have to agree with you. I really like the OWR and Renisssance. Very classy smokes, especially the OWR. I don't see anything wrong with these. I also like the maduro OWR over the natural.
I'm a huge fan of the Renisssance! That to me is the best smoke Rocky has put out since I've been smoking. Well... Either that or the Decade.
Davidoff, Graycliff, Cohiba, RP Olde World Reserve, Illusione CG 4 (MJ 12 is a fantastic smoke.), Gurkah Black Puro, RP Renissance. IMHO
What's wrong with the RP Olde World? I really liked the maduro!
I would have to agree with you. I really like the OWR and Renisssance. Very classy smokes, especially the OWR. I don't see anything wrong with these. I also like the maduro OWR over the natural.
I found both of them to be lacking what I was looking for. I tried them because everyone at the B&M was hyping them up and was very unimpressed. I felt like they were very overrated IMHO. Now, the Sungrown is a fantastic smoke IMO.
Not to bash any cigar but I do have to say Casa Magna. When it got the rating even we didn't get them in here so I had to hunt around at a few local B&M to find one and I did. I smoked the whole line 3 of each and I can not for the life of me under stand how this got #1 cigar of the year. They say It was great because its less expensive price. It was a great cigar and I thoroughly enjoy just about all of manuel's blends but I think there were a few other cigars that I think should have taken top spot. Smoking though is a sport that is all too subjective.
100% agree and forgot all about these. The Casa Magna is a very good cigar for it's price. Just not the #1 cigar of the year. Too many great cigars that I would choose over this one.
I'm on board with this one too. I didn't think the Casa Magna was even that great at the price. It wasn't horrible, but there are soooo many cigars out there at that price range that are better.
I'm on board with this one too. I didn't think the Casa Magna was even that great at the price. It wasn't horrible, but there are soooo many cigars out there at that price range that are better.
I had one last week that I purchased locally. I was also not all that impressed and can think of ten or fifteen cigars that are both less expensive and far better IMHO, BUT I saved one more and I'll try it again in a few months and see how it goes. I would hope with that high of a rating it would knock my socks off.
Not to bash any cigar but I do have to say Casa Magna. When it got the rating even we didn't get them in here so I had to hunt around at a few local B&M to find one and I did. I smoked the whole line 3 of each and I can not for the life of me under stand how this got #1 cigar of the year. They say It was great because its less expensive price. It was a great cigar and I thoroughly enjoy just about all of manuel's blends but I think there were a few other cigars that I think should have taken top spot. Smoking though is a sport that is all too subjective.
It's nice to see some of the ccom guys jump in with an opine every once in awhile!
I'm on board with this one too. I didn't think the Casa Magna was even that great at the price. It wasn't horrible, but there are soooo many cigars out there at that price range that are better.
I had one last week that I purchased locally. I was also not all that impressed and can think of ten or fifteen cigars that are both less expensive and far better IMHO, BUT I saved one more and I'll try it again in a few months and see how it goes. I would hope with that high of a rating it would knock my socks off.
Thought this was an interesting thread, so I wanted to revive it.
I haven't been up on the industry since this thread was active, to be honest, so most of my choices probably aren't relevant today. Back then the obvious choice for me would have been Gurkha cigars. I like some of them, but more often than not they don't back up their ridiculous price tags.
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yes they are expensive. and that is how i used to view them.
but after years developing my palate i finally mustered up the nerve to buy one to see if they are worth the price.
i can assure you, they are 100% worth it.
...not to mention the AVO line as well (AVO is made by Davidoff) . the AVO domaine in particular is a damn fine cigar with subtle complexities that if you are not paying attention will pass you by. Davidoff produces a cigar for a niche market within the industry. it is not for those people who want in your face flavor. its for those who want subtle yet extreme complexity. you may think they are "over rated", but i claim that they are just "not what you are looking for"
another note on OpusX... they seem to have been not as good in the last two years as some of the older OpusX i have had. i still like them but this also tends to add to the "overrated-ness" of the cigar.
i think that graycliff is a bit overrated
and i know im gunna get shot for this but...
Rocky Patel is over rated.
each individual cigar isnt over rated. but the brand is over rated because all of the blends are so similar. a mark of a very good brand is to have complexity from one line to another. Oliva serie O, V, and G are nothing alike. the nub is another completely different cigar, so are the master blends, flor de oliva, el cobre, etc...
RP and Gurkha are over rated because they fail to impress after the first one. ( with one or two small exceptions for each brand) they all have the same feel.
His name is on EVERYTHING and he produces cigar after cigar and I think that can dilute the quality or the unique-ness...
I happen to enjoy some Rocky's but I do get that "Same Flavor" with them and that is sad
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I haven't been up on the industry since this thread was active, to be honest, so most of my choices probably aren't relevant today. Back then the obvious choice for me would have been Gurkha cigars. I like some of them, but more often than not they don't back up their ridiculous price tags.
What do you guys think?
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