On "reciprocating"
As someone who wishes they had more resources to put into bombing, I often fear being perceived as "not reciprocating," because there is absolutely no way that I could ever re-pay the kindness that has been shown by some of the amazing BOTLs on this forum. I have sent bombs that have not been reciprocated and received some that I haven't returned fire for (yet), but I figure that's the nature of bombs... I don't expect return fire when I send 'em, and I send 'em as often as I can. I hope I have not slighted anyone along the way.
On "re-bombing"
From my perspective, once a package leaves my hand and arrives in the target's mailbox, the sticks are theirs and they are free to do with them whatever the wish... smoke 'em, gift 'em, whatever. I can see where it would be bad form, though, to only send out sticks received from others rather than mostly sending cigars you've bought, while maybe occasionally passing on a smoke received that you think someone else might enjoy more.
On "begging for bombs"
Yeah... this one's tough. I've probably been guilty of dropping hints, especially when I first joined and was so awed by the bombs people were receiving. Don't think I do it anymore though, but I hope if I did somebody would drop me a PM and let me know I was being an @ss. It's hard to draw the line sometimes, cuz posting about sticks you like or would like to try can come across as "begging" even it it's now meant that way. If y'all ever think I cross the line, somebody please call me out in a PM.
"When I have found intense pain relieved, a weary brain soothed, and calm, refreshing sleep obtained by a cigar, I have felt grateful to God, and have blessed His name." - Charles Haddon Spurgeon
On "reciprocating"
As someone who wishes they had more resources to put into bombing, I often fear being perceived as "not reciprocating," because there is absolutely no way that I could ever re-pay the kindness that has been shown by some of the amazing BOTLs on this forum. I have sent bombs that have not been reciprocated and received some that I haven't returned fire for (yet), but I figure that's the nature of bombs... I don't expect return fire when I send 'em, and I send 'em as often as I can. I hope I have not slighted anyone along the way.
On "re-bombing"
From my perspective, once a package leaves my hand and arrives in the target's mailbox, the sticks are theirs and they are free to do with them whatever the wish... smoke 'em, gift 'em, whatever. I can see where it would be bad form, though, to only send out sticks received from others rather than mostly sending cigars you've bought, while maybe occasionally passing on a smoke received that you think someone else might enjoy more.
On "begging for bombs"
Yeah... this one's tough. I've probably been guilty of dropping hints, especially when I first joined and was so awed by the bombs people were receiving. Don't think I do it anymore though, but I hope if I did somebody would drop me a PM and let me know I was being an @ss. It's hard to draw the line sometimes, cuz posting about sticks you like or would like to try can come across as "begging" even it it's now meant that way. If y'all ever think I cross the line, somebody please call me out in a PM.
Great points and totally with you on wishing I could do more. Hoping to be able to send more stuff out to some very deserving BORKs soon because it is nice to get them when they don't expect it and hopefully brighten their day a bit. Been working on the project that you sent me those bands for too so looking forward to getting some of that stuff out there too.
Ken Light 3K MOW Badge - 8/14 2015 Gang War - East Coast Enola Gay - Target #29
Here's my small opinion, for what it's worth. I agree. Haven't been here long, but I sure enjoy the ride. He begs for cigars. Doesn't reciprocate. To me, that's not a real big deal. I mean, when we say we bomb someone, or simply send them something just because, we don't expect anything back. Or at least that's what we say. Now if he had entered into an agreement to trade and never did, that would be a different story. As far as I know, he hasn't done this - correct me if I'm wrong. I sent him something in the past and never expected anything in return. I don't scour the forums well enough to know if he has ever sent packages to others. Newbies, etc,. But it doesn't appear he does.
I see him as a mild annoyance at times, and others have mentioned that to me as well in PMs - says he's always begging and getting bombed.
It's also our choice to send those bombs. We do it out of the kindness of our hearts, and he has been a recipient to many a good beatings. I don't think that warrants bad trader marking from us. Label him a beggar, not a bad trader. If he bothers you, just ignore him and don't send anything.
I think part of why the bad trader list is appropriate are for his other transgressions--holding sweet November rains pass for two months.
And in my opinion the "begging for bombs" issue is about the intensity of it all. I list "want to try" things in my bio and sometimes people send me things on that list like stubble did earlier this week. He's actually hit me twice now and I've never hit him at all. I will hit him back soon but I would be surprised, knowing what I think I know about him, that he will hold a grudge if I forgot. He
understands (like most of us) that a bomb is a bomb because he is kind. Boots, on the other hand, tries to exploit that kindness. Whenever I send out a bomb I first go to their bio and the search the forum for things they like and if I have it that's what I include. I think most of us are like this because we genuinely want to help others who are just developing in the hobby.
-- "There's something that doesn't make sense. Let's go poke it with a stick."
If I've slighted someone, let me know.
Kind of like Puff, I sometimes get concerned about the reciprocation deal.
I try and put some thought into what I return fire on.
I don't participate a lot anymore, but try and pay it forward or hit back.
Unfortunately, since we all seem to be in the same boat sometimes as far as funding, it doesn't happen as much as I'd like.
Again, if I've slighted someone, let me know.
As for the re-gifting. I try and make sure I don't. But sometimes I buy cigars that someone has sent me, cause they were good, so it is possible that it has happened.
And if I send something to someone, what they do with it when they receive it is none of my business.
Just my opinion. I'll go back to my corner now and shut my mouth.
In Fumo Pax Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
If I've slighted someone, let me know.
Kind of like Puff, I sometimes get concerned about the reciprocation deal.
I try and put some thought into what I return fire on.
I don't participate a lot anymore, but try and pay it forward or hit back.
Unfortunately, since we all seem to be in the same boat sometimes as far as funding, it doesn't happen as much as I'd like.
Again, if I've slighted someone, let me know.
As for the re-gifting. I try and make sure I don't. But sometimes I buy cigars that someone has sent me, cause they were good, so it is possible that it has happened.
And if I send something to someone, what they do with it when they receive it is none of my business.
Just my opinion. I'll go back to my corner now and shut my mouth.
Let me be clear. I've hit Tony not once but TWICE. and he's never hit me back even once. Should I be pissed at him? Only, perhaps, if I'm a flaccid little man. I did not hit to y because I was hoping he'd hit me back I hit him (and organized a newbie onslaught) because I happen to like his sorry a$$. End of story. If he thinks what I sent him was crap and knows of someone who might not think its crap then he should make that person happy.
-- "There's something that doesn't make sense. Let's go poke it with a stick."
Let me be clear. I've hit Tony not once but TWICE. and he's never hit me back even once. Should I be pissed at him? Only, perhaps, if I'm a flaccid little man. I did not hit to y because I was hoping he'd hit me back I hit him (and organized a newbie onslaught) because I happen to like his sorry a$$. End of story. If he thinks what I sent him was crap and knows of someone who might not think its crap then he should make that person happy.
I'm still working on your's. Your hit has to be a special statement.
A very special statement.
In Fumo Pax Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
“It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person, the hatred they bore to his political opinions.” —Thomas Jefferson (1808)
Let me be clear. I've hit Tony not once but TWICE. and he's never hit me back even once. Should I be pissed at him? Only, perhaps, if I'm a flaccid little man. I did not hit to y because I was hoping he'd hit me back I hit him (and organized a newbie onslaught) because I happen to like his sorry a$$. End of story. If he thinks what I sent him was crap and knows of someone who might not think its crap then he should make that person happy.
I'm still working on your's. Your hit has to be a special statement.
A very special statement.
Well....that wasn't really the point, silly.
-- "There's something that doesn't make sense. Let's go poke it with a stick."
"When I have found intense pain relieved, a weary brain soothed, and calm, refreshing sleep obtained by a cigar, I have felt grateful to God, and have blessed His name." - Charles Haddon Spurgeon
On "reciprocating"
As someone who wishes they had more resources to put into bombing, I often fear being perceived as "not reciprocating," because there is absolutely no way that I could ever re-pay the kindness that has been shown by some of the amazing BOTLs on this forum. I have sent bombs that have not been reciprocated and received some that I haven't returned fire for (yet), but I figure that's the nature of bombs... I don't expect return fire when I send 'em, and I send 'em as often as I can. I hope I have not slighted anyone along the way.
On "re-bombing"
From my perspective, once a package leaves my hand and arrives in the target's mailbox, the sticks are theirs and they are free to do with them whatever the wish... smoke 'em, gift 'em, whatever. I can see where it would be bad form, though, to only send out sticks received from others rather than mostly sending cigars you've bought, while maybe occasionally passing on a smoke received that you think someone else might enjoy more.
On "begging for bombs"
Yeah... this one's tough. I've probably been guilty of dropping hints, especially when I first joined and was so awed by the bombs people were receiving. Don't think I do it anymore though, but I hope if I did somebody would drop me a PM and let me know I was being an @ss. It's hard to draw the line sometimes, cuz posting about sticks you like or would like to try can come across as "begging" even it it's now meant that way. If y'all ever think I cross the line, somebody please call me out in a PM.
I can't agree more with all of this. I've been hit harder than I can reciprocate a couple times. greg's secret santa from this past year is one that stands out, but there have been others. guys hit me that I can't fill a need for, I can't send something special to the way they did to me. so I let those cases do two things to me. one, look for an opportunity later. maybe it'll come, maybe it won't, but I hope. two, let it inspire me to be more generous to others when I can. my 3k sendoff of a bunch of what were really bombs to get people into MoW badges was largely inspired by greg because I couldn't hit him back. but I'm still trying to keep an eye out for something I can do more directly.
as for re-gifting...I've done my fair share. In all instances, I never re-gift something someone gave me because they specifically wanted me to try or because I asked for that smoke. And in all instances it was because I knew the recipient would appreciate it more than I would, so I figure that's what this is all about anyway.
Begging I just don't do. If I ever got bombed from a post, I got tricked (Jack Daniel's!) or didn't intend it that way.
More general here, though: this stuff is for when overwhelming patterns emerge. This activity is an overwhelming pattern, even across sites. I think we're good enough to dismiss small indiscretions and chalk them up human nature and we're all human.
On "reciprocating"
As someone who wishes they had more resources to put into bombing, I often fear being perceived as "not reciprocating," because there is absolutely no way that I could ever re-pay the kindness that has been shown by some of the amazing BOTLs on this forum. I have sent bombs that have not been reciprocated and received some that I haven't returned fire for (yet), but I figure that's the nature of bombs... I don't expect return fire when I send 'em, and I send 'em as often as I can. I hope I have not slighted anyone along the way.
On "re-bombing"
From my perspective, once a package leaves my hand and arrives in the target's mailbox, the sticks are theirs and they are free to do with them whatever the wish... smoke 'em, gift 'em, whatever. I can see where it would be bad form, though, to only send out sticks received from others rather than mostly sending cigars you've bought, while maybe occasionally passing on a smoke received that you think someone else might enjoy more.
On "begging for bombs"
Yeah... this one's tough. I've probably been guilty of dropping hints, especially when I first joined and was so awed by the bombs people were receiving. Don't think I do it anymore though, but I hope if I did somebody would drop me a PM and let me know I was being an @ss. It's hard to draw the line sometimes, cuz posting about sticks you like or would like to try can come across as "begging" even it it's now meant that way. If y'all ever think I cross the line, somebody please call me out in a PM.
I can't agree more with all of this. I've been hit harder than I can reciprocate a couple times. greg's secret santa from this past year is one that stands out, but there have been others. guys hit me that I can't fill a need for, I can't send something special to the way they did to me. so I let those cases do two things to me. one, look for an opportunity later. maybe it'll come, maybe it won't, but I hope. two, let it inspire me to be more generous to others when I can. my 3k sendoff of a bunch of what were really bombs to get people into MoW badges was largely inspired by greg because I couldn't hit him back. but I'm still trying to keep an eye out for something I can do more directly.
as for re-gifting...I've done my fair share. In all instances, I never re-gift something someone gave me because they specifically wanted me to try or because I asked for that smoke. And in all instances it was because I knew the recipient would appreciate it more than I would, so I figure that's what this is all about anyway.
Begging I just don't do. If I ever got bombed from a post, I got tricked (Jack Daniel's!) or didn't intend it that way.
More general here, though: this stuff is for when overwhelming patterns emerge. This activity is an overwhelming pattern, even across sites. I think we're good enough to dismiss small indiscretions and chalk them up human nature and we're all human.
I haven't been as post active lately due to time, work, family and finances (I can't seem to help but get in on stuff if I post so when money gets tight I don't post as much to "trap" myself) but this really caught my eye and I'd like to say a few things. No I'm not going to pile on the Boots brigade that points been made clear and I agree. I will say a few things on bombing, reciprocating and re-gifting.
as for bombings, they are just that... Packages sent with no desire or want for reciprocation. I also feel as many others do that once the sticks leave my possession the person who receives it can do whatever the he11 they want with them. The only exception to that I feel is when I get or send out a stick or sticks meant specifically for that person for a special reason. Here's an example to help prove my point, sorry RayRay but your my huckleberry for this example. During our recent blood feud I hit RayRay with several packages. In all of them were what I considered to be some high end sticks. A couple were from the two boxes I bouht when my son was born. I've done that a couple times out of those boxes to some very special brothers. Sticks from those boxes I'd hope and expect to be smoked by the person I sent them to, they were extremely special to me and I wanted to share that with someone who means a lot to me. All of the other sticks in their however, regardless of what they are or how HTF they may be are his to do what he wants with. If I see him Bomb someone else with them, then upset would be the last thing I am. I'd be happy that they were shared with another BOTL.
Now on re-gifting...some of us just aren't at a point in our lives where we can buy enough smokes ourselves to send what we buy personally, I happen to be one of those people. I support not just myself, but also my wife and son on my income alone. I'm also only 26 (turning 27 in a few months) and have only been at my career for just over 2 years, so I'm not yet making enough to buy a house, have a second car, take trips or vacations etc. my "luxury" spending each month is just enough to get a 6-pack of beer, ship out two or three packages and go to the lounge and gun range once a month. That's about it. I don't feel bad about that and I'm perfectly content to live like this for a while because I know time will change that situation. I can't tell you the last time I bought anything more than 1-2 cigars at a time. The recent times where I had the money to do that I decided to spend it on others to Bomb them that was my choice and mine alone. The entire point of this rant is to say that when I do Bomb oftentimes I am forced to reach for cigars that had been sent to me over the years because at this point I only have a handful of sticks that I personally bought myself. So the only options are DONT send anything out or take some things that I've been sitting on for a while and haven't gotten around to yet and send those. I feel THATS better than always saying "sorry I don't have any cigars left that I personally bought". I think yu do what you can, where you are, with what you have available. If I recall someone pretty influential and famous said something similar about 50-60 years ago...
Finally, on begging for sticks. Don't do it. Seriously don't do it. That being said there is a difference between seeing a new stick or a stick you've been curious about and asking what it was like. For me at least that really is the whole reason for me asking, I'm curious as to your thoughts on that stick. People may decide to do something about that but that is their choice and in all honesty I'd rather they didn't because I KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that I likely won't be able to show my full appreciation and just don't normally have the means to hit them back like I'd prefer. I have a list of over 15 people that I feel I need to hit. I have no idea when I will be able to do that but I won't forget and when I CAN I will be able to cross one off the list and move on to the next.
Sorry for th rant but I feel like this adequately explains some if not many people's feelings on this besides just my own.
"When walking in open territory bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them."
On "reciprocating"
As someone who wishes they had more resources to put into bombing, I often fear being perceived as "not reciprocating," because there is absolutely no way that I could ever re-pay the kindness that has been shown by some of the amazing BOTLs on this forum. I have sent bombs that have not been reciprocated and received some that I haven't returned fire for (yet), but I figure that's the nature of bombs... I don't expect return fire when I send 'em, and I send 'em as often as I can. I hope I have not slighted anyone along the way.
On "re-bombing"
From my perspective, once a package leaves my hand and arrives in the target's mailbox, the sticks are theirs and they are free to do with them whatever the wish... smoke 'em, gift 'em, whatever. I can see where it would be bad form, though, to only send out sticks received from others rather than mostly sending cigars you've bought, while maybe occasionally passing on a smoke received that you think someone else might enjoy more.
On "begging for bombs"
Yeah... this one's tough. I've probably been guilty of dropping hints, especially when I first joined and was so awed by the bombs people were receiving. Don't think I do it anymore though, but I hope if I did somebody would drop me a PM and let me know I was being an @ss. It's hard to draw the line sometimes, cuz posting about sticks you like or would like to try can come across as "begging" even it it's now meant that way. If y'all ever think I cross the line, somebody please call me out in a PM.
I can't agree more with all of this. I've been hit harder than I can reciprocate a couple times. greg's secret santa from this past year is one that stands out, but there have been others. guys hit me that I can't fill a need for, I can't send something special to the way they did to me. so I let those cases do two things to me. one, look for an opportunity later. maybe it'll come, maybe it won't, but I hope. two, let it inspire me to be more generous to others when I can. my 3k sendoff of a bunch of what were really bombs to get people into MoW badges was largely inspired by greg because I couldn't hit him back. but I'm still trying to keep an eye out for something I can do more directly.
as for re-gifting...I've done my fair share. In all instances, I never re-gift something someone gave me because they specifically wanted me to try or because I asked for that smoke. And in all instances it was because I knew the recipient would appreciate it more than I would, so I figure that's what this is all about anyway.
Begging I just don't do. If I ever got bombed from a post, I got tricked (Jack Daniel's!) or didn't intend it that way.
More general here, though: this stuff is for when overwhelming patterns emerge. This activity is an overwhelming pattern, even across sites. I think we're good enough to dismiss small indiscretions and chalk them up human nature and we're all human.
I haven't been as post active lately due to time, work, family and finances (I can't seem to help but get in on stuff if I post so when money gets tight I don't post as much to "trap" myself) but this really caught my eye and I'd like to say a few things. No I'm not going to pile on the Boots brigade that points been made clear and I agree. I will say a few things on bombing, reciprocating and re-gifting.
as for bombings, they are just that... Packages sent with no desire or want for reciprocation. I also feel as many others do that once the sticks leave my possession the person who receives it can do whatever the he11 they want with them. The only exception to that I feel is when I get or send out a stick or sticks meant specifically for that person for a special reason. Here's an example to help prove my point, sorry RayRay but your my huckleberry for this example. During our recent blood feud I hit RayRay with several packages. In all of them were what I considered to be some high end sticks. A couple were from the two boxes I bouht when my son was born. I've done that a couple times out of those boxes to some very special brothers. Sticks from those boxes I'd hope and expect to be smoked by the person I sent them to, they were extremely special to me and I wanted to share that with someone who means a lot to me. All of the other sticks in their however, regardless of what they are or how HTF they may be are his to do what he wants with. If I see him Bomb someone else with them, then upset would be the last thing I am. I'd be happy that they were shared with another BOTL.
Now on re-gifting...some of us just aren't at a point in our lives where we can buy enough smokes ourselves to send what we buy personally, I happen to be one of those people. I support not just myself, but also my wife and son on my income alone. I'm also only 26 (turning 27 in a few months) and have only been at my career for just over 2 years, so I'm not yet making enough to buy a house, have a second car, take trips or vacations etc. my "luxury" spending each month is just enough to get a 6-pack of beer, ship out two or three packages and go to the lounge and gun range once a month. That's about it. I don't feel bad about that and I'm perfectly content to live like this for a while because I know time will change that situation. I can't tell you the last time I bought anything more than 1-2 cigars at a time. The recent times where I had the money to do that I decided to spend it on others to Bomb them that was my choice and mine alone. The entire point of this rant is to say that when I do Bomb oftentimes I am forced to reach for cigars that had been sent to me over the years because at this point I only have a handful of sticks that I personally bought myself. So the only options are DONT send anything out or take some things that I've been sitting on for a while and haven't gotten around to yet and send those. I feel THATS better than always saying "sorry I don't have any cigars left that I personally bought". I think yu do what you can, where you are, with what you have available. If I recall someone pretty influential and famous said something similar about 50-60 years ago...
Finally, on begging for sticks. Don't do it. Seriously don't do it. That being said there is a difference between seeing a new stick or a stick you've been curious about and asking what it was like. For me at least that really is the whole reason for me asking, I'm curious as to your thoughts on that stick. People may decide to do something about that but that is their choice and in all honesty I'd rather they didn't because I KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that I likely won't be able to show my full appreciation and just don't normally have the means to hit them back like I'd prefer. I have a list of over 15 people that I feel I need to hit. I have no idea when I will be able to do that but I won't forget and when I CAN I will be able to cross one off the list and move on to the next.
Sorry for th rant but I feel like this adequately explains some if not many people's feelings on this besides just my own.
A few thoughts:
First. Apologies
I want to apologize for my irrational objections to Vulchor's administration of this thread. I did have a point to make but I was a big jerk about making it and my point seems trivial even to me at this point. Looking back on it makes me wish I'd have kept my mouth shut.
Second. Reciprocation
I don't expect reciprocation. I know the feeling though, and I've been guilty of reciprocating. Recently FireRob sent me some sticks and then later he openly asked to trade for some Tennessee Waltz. I had already bought a box of TW with bombing in mind. So I hit him back pretty quick. There are plenty of others that have bombed me and to whom I have not reciprocated. And I hope they don't expect it. I hope I have upheld my "good trader" status by paying it forward in most cases rather than in retaliation.
Third. Newboots
Newboots also asked openly about trading for the Tennessee Waltz. So I bombed him too. He posted about it. I'm happy. And, I was ignorant of all this talk about him. I had no idea he had gotten a bad reputation. Maybe I don't pay close enough attention.
Fourth. Begging
I'm against it but, who makes the call? How does one mention a cigar, how does one express interest at all without judgement? I'm gun-shy about it really. Plenty of times I remain silent when a new-to-me cigar is discussed. I try not to ask. I'm more likely to wait until I have smoked one before I ask for other's opinions on a particular smoke. That's just me but I don't want to become a target for either bombs or accusations of begging because I was asking about a particular stick.
On "reciprocating"
As someone who wishes they had more resources to put into bombing, I often fear being perceived as "not reciprocating," because there is absolutely no way that I could ever re-pay the kindness that has been shown by some of the amazing BOTLs on this forum. I have sent bombs that have not been reciprocated and received some that I haven't returned fire for (yet), but I figure that's the nature of bombs... I don't expect return fire when I send 'em, and I send 'em as often as I can. I hope I have not slighted anyone along the way.
On "re-bombing"
From my perspective, once a package leaves my hand and arrives in the target's mailbox, the sticks are theirs and they are free to do with them whatever the wish... smoke 'em, gift 'em, whatever. I can see where it would be bad form, though, to only send out sticks received from others rather than mostly sending cigars you've bought, while maybe occasionally passing on a smoke received that you think someone else might enjoy more.
On "begging for bombs"
Yeah... this one's tough. I've probably been guilty of dropping hints, especially when I first joined and was so awed by the bombs people were receiving. Don't think I do it anymore though, but I hope if I did somebody would drop me a PM and let me know I was being an @ss. It's hard to draw the line sometimes, cuz posting about sticks you like or would like to try can come across as "begging" even it it's now meant that way. If y'all ever think I cross the line, somebody please call me out in a PM.
I can't agree more with all of this. I've been hit harder than I can reciprocate a couple times. greg's secret santa from this past year is one that stands out, but there have been others. guys hit me that I can't fill a need for, I can't send something special to the way they did to me. so I let those cases do two things to me. one, look for an opportunity later. maybe it'll come, maybe it won't, but I hope. two, let it inspire me to be more generous to others when I can. my 3k sendoff of a bunch of what were really bombs to get people into MoW badges was largely inspired by greg because I couldn't hit him back. but I'm still trying to keep an eye out for something I can do more directly.
as for re-gifting...I've done my fair share. In all instances, I never re-gift something someone gave me because they specifically wanted me to try or because I asked for that smoke. And in all instances it was because I knew the recipient would appreciate it more than I would, so I figure that's what this is all about anyway.
Begging I just don't do. If I ever got bombed from a post, I got tricked (Jack Daniel's!) or didn't intend it that way.
More general here, though: this stuff is for when overwhelming patterns emerge. This activity is an overwhelming pattern, even across sites. I think we're good enough to dismiss small indiscretions and chalk them up human nature and we're all human.
I haven't been as post active lately due to time, work, family and finances (I can't seem to help but get in on stuff if I post so when money gets tight I don't post as much to "trap" myself) but this really caught my eye and I'd like to say a few things. No I'm not going to pile on the Boots brigade that points been made clear and I agree. I will say a few things on bombing, reciprocating and re-gifting.
as for bombings, they are just that... Packages sent with no desire or want for reciprocation. I also feel as many others do that once the sticks leave my possession the person who receives it can do whatever the he11 they want with them. The only exception to that I feel is when I get or send out a stick or sticks meant specifically for that person for a special reason. Here's an example to help prove my point, sorry RayRay but your my huckleberry for this example. During our recent blood feud I hit RayRay with several packages. In all of them were what I considered to be some high end sticks. A couple were from the two boxes I bouht when my son was born. I've done that a couple times out of those boxes to some very special brothers. Sticks from those boxes I'd hope and expect to be smoked by the person I sent them to, they were extremely special to me and I wanted to share that with someone who means a lot to me. All of the other sticks in their however, regardless of what they are or how HTF they may be are his to do what he wants with. If I see him Bomb someone else with them, then upset would be the last thing I am. I'd be happy that they were shared with another BOTL.
Now on re-gifting...some of us just aren't at a point in our lives where we can buy enough smokes ourselves to send what we buy personally, I happen to be one of those people. I support not just myself, but also my wife and son on my income alone. I'm also only 26 (turning 27 in a few months) and have only been at my career for just over 2 years, so I'm not yet making enough to buy a house, have a second car, take trips or vacations etc. my "luxury" spending each month is just enough to get a 6-pack of beer, ship out two or three packages and go to the lounge and gun range once a month. That's about it. I don't feel bad about that and I'm perfectly content to live like this for a while because I know time will change that situation. I can't tell you the last time I bought anything more than 1-2 cigars at a time. The recent times where I had the money to do that I decided to spend it on others to Bomb them that was my choice and mine alone. The entire point of this rant is to say that when I do Bomb oftentimes I am forced to reach for cigars that had been sent to me over the years because at this point I only have a handful of sticks that I personally bought myself. So the only options are DONT send anything out or take some things that I've been sitting on for a while and haven't gotten around to yet and send those. I feel THATS better than always saying "sorry I don't have any cigars left that I personally bought". I think yu do what you can, where you are, with what you have available. If I recall someone pretty influential and famous said something similar about 50-60 years ago...
Finally, on begging for sticks. Don't do it. Seriously don't do it. That being said there is a difference between seeing a new stick or a stick you've been curious about and asking what it was like. For me at least that really is the whole reason for me asking, I'm curious as to your thoughts on that stick. People may decide to do something about that but that is their choice and in all honesty I'd rather they didn't because I KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that I likely won't be able to show my full appreciation and just don't normally have the means to hit them back like I'd prefer. I have a list of over 15 people that I feel I need to hit. I have no idea when I will be able to do that but I won't forget and when I CAN I will be able to cross one off the list and move on to the next.
Sorry for th rant but I feel like this adequately explains some if not many people's feelings on this besides just my own.
A few thoughts:
First. Apologies
I want to apologize for my irrational objections to Vulchor's administration of this thread. I did have a point to make but I was a big jerk about making it and my point seems trivial even to me at this point. Looking back on it makes me wish I'd have kept my mouth shut.
Second. Reciprocation
I don't expect reciprocation. I know the feeling though, and I've been guilty of reciprocating. Recently FireRob sent me some sticks and then later he openly asked to trade for some Tennessee Waltz. I had already bought a box of TW with bombing in mind. So I hit him back pretty quick. There are plenty of others that have bombed me and to whom I have not reciprocated. And I hope they don't expect it. I hope I have upheld my "good trader" status by paying it forward in most cases rather than in retaliation.
Third. Newboots
Newboots also asked openly about trading for the Tennessee Waltz. So I bombed him too. He posted about it. I'm happy. And, I was ignorant of all this talk about him. I had no idea he had gotten a bad reputation. Maybe I don't pay close enough attention.
Fourth. Begging
I'm against it but, who makes the call? How does one mention a cigar, how does one express interest at all without judgement? I'm gun-shy about it really. Plenty of times I remain silent when a new-to-me cigar is discussed. I try not to ask. I'm more likely to wait until I have smoked one before I ask for other's opinions on a particular smoke. That's just me but I don't want to become a target for either bombs or accusations of begging because I was asking about a particular stick.
Hey Bob can't really comment on anything you said regarding most of the points but I can say something about the last one. I feel there is a big difference between asking someone what a cigar that catches your eye is like and dramatically hinting when you ask that you reallllllllly reallllly want to see what they are all about but can't find or afford them etc etc. today I posted to Chris Lovin' about the Mason Dixons and wanted to hear his thoughts. That's because I like crowned heads stuff, have noticed his tastes are similar to mine and I know I wouldn't buy any right now anyways especially since I tend not to smoke many connies. But the brand and release interest me so I want to hear what it's lije, not search for one. If I had made a big deal about how I'm so broke and can't stand missing them etc etc then to me that'd be very different and a form of begging.
I will agree and admit however that for a while now it's difficult to even show interest in a cigar on the boards without having to look over your shoulder lol. If the person posting is someone I know and talk to often then I will just text or call them to avoid that worry lol, otherwise I will only comment rarely like I did today to help minimize those worries lol.
"When walking in open territory bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask them to stop. If they do not stop, destroy them."
Please send me an OpusX ****, even if it's your last one. If you don't have one go get one, even if you have to drive 2 hours to go get it. If it's too expensive, feel free to sell a few of your belongings in order to get it. Oh and please hurry. I have a time frame. Thanks
just don't go to newsstand...bone dry
Eric and I tried to herf there not too long ago. Had a big sign saying "No smoking in the patio til 2pm" fail.
"It's plume, bro. Nothing to worry about. Got any Opus?" The suppose to be DZR
I look at it this way: There are guys on here that have shown there generosity time and time again! (SHIZZ and DZR) If they think he's been abusing the system, then I think he's been abusing the system! That should be enough said!
Just in case anyone misunderstood me, I was not defending newboots or expressing indifference in regards to any bad behaviors by newboots. I just meant to say that I was unaware of any problems, until now.
Just in case anyone misunderstood me, I was not defending newboots or expressing indifference in regards to any bad behaviors by newboots. I just meant to say that I was unaware of any problems, until now.
Is that just your subtle way of begging for bombs, Bob? ;^)
"When I have found intense pain relieved, a weary brain soothed, and calm, refreshing sleep obtained by a cigar, I have felt grateful to God, and have blessed His name." - Charles Haddon Spurgeon
the best way to go about this forum and any cigar forum for that matter, is to just laugh and light up a cigar of your liking. *** the rest. thank you. i am on my fourth beer
the best way to go about this forum and any cigar forum for that matter, is to just laugh and light up a cigar of your liking. *** the rest. thank you. i am on my fourth beer
I should have regifted your Cohibas but I'm still making baskets. Please send me some Fuentes. Thanks
Oh, and feel free to toss in some non Cohiba CCs. Thanks butt plugger.
"It's plume, bro. Nothing to worry about. Got any Opus?" The suppose to be DZR
the best way to go about this forum and any cigar forum for that matter, is to just laugh and light up a cigar of your liking. *** the rest. thank you. i am on my fourth beer
I should have regifted your Cohibas but I'm still making baskets. Please send me some Fuentes. Thanks
Oh, and feel free to toss in some non Cohiba CCs. Thanks butt plugger.
Ive been meaning to send you some cohiba stamped rabbits. if you know what i mean
the best way to go about this forum and any cigar forum for that matter, is to just laugh and light up a cigar of your liking. *** the rest. thank you. i am on my fourth beer
I should have regifted your Cohibas but I'm still making baskets. Please send me some Fuentes. Thanks
Oh, and feel free to toss in some non Cohiba CCs. Thanks butt plugger.
Ive been meaning to send you some cohiba stamped rabbits. if you know what i mean
No, I dont ... wait, is this another **** joke?
"It's plume, bro. Nothing to worry about. Got any Opus?" The suppose to be DZR
Just in case anyone misunderstood me, I was not defending newboots or expressing indifference in regards to any bad behaviors by newboots. I just meant to say that I was unaware of any problems, until now.
Is that just your subtle way of begging for bombs, Bob? ;^)
Comments
On "reciprocating"
As someone who wishes they had more resources to put into bombing, I often fear being perceived as "not reciprocating," because there is absolutely no way that I could ever re-pay the kindness that has been shown by some of the amazing BOTLs on this forum. I have sent bombs that have not been reciprocated and received some that I haven't returned fire for (yet), but I figure that's the nature of bombs... I don't expect return fire when I send 'em, and I send 'em as often as I can. I hope I have not slighted anyone along the way.
On "re-bombing"
From my perspective, once a package leaves my hand and arrives in the target's mailbox, the sticks are theirs and they are free to do with them whatever the wish... smoke 'em, gift 'em, whatever. I can see where it would be bad form, though, to only send out sticks received from others rather than mostly sending cigars you've bought, while maybe occasionally passing on a smoke received that you think someone else might enjoy more.
On "begging for bombs"
Yeah... this one's tough. I've probably been guilty of dropping hints, especially when I first joined and was so awed by the bombs people were receiving. Don't think I do it anymore though, but I hope if I did somebody would drop me a PM and let me know I was being an @ss. It's hard to draw the line sometimes, cuz posting about sticks you like or would like to try can come across as "begging" even it it's now meant that way. If y'all ever think I cross the line, somebody please call me out in a PM.
Great points and totally with you on wishing I could do more. Hoping to be able to send more stuff out to some very deserving BORKs soon because it is nice to get them when they don't expect it and hopefully brighten their day a bit. Been working on the project that you sent me those bands for too so looking forward to getting some of that stuff out there too.
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And in my opinion the "begging for bombs" issue is about the intensity of it all. I list "want to try" things in my bio and sometimes people send me things on that list like stubble did earlier this week. He's actually hit me twice now and I've never hit him at all. I will hit him back soon but I would be surprised, knowing what I think I know about him, that he will hold a grudge if I forgot. He understands (like most of us) that a bomb is a bomb because he is kind. Boots, on the other hand, tries to exploit that kindness. Whenever I send out a bomb I first go to their bio and the search the forum for things they like and if I have it that's what I include. I think most of us are like this because we genuinely want to help others who are just developing in the hobby.
Kind of like Puff, I sometimes get concerned about the reciprocation deal.
I try and put some thought into what I return fire on.
I don't participate a lot anymore, but try and pay it forward or hit back.
Unfortunately, since we all seem to be in the same boat sometimes as far as funding, it doesn't happen as much as I'd like.
Again, if I've slighted someone, let me know.
As for the re-gifting. I try and make sure I don't. But sometimes I buy cigars that someone has sent me, cause they were good, so it is possible that it has happened.
And if I send something to someone, what they do with it when they receive it is none of my business.
Just my opinion. I'll go back to my corner now and shut my mouth.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
A very special statement.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
as for re-gifting...I've done my fair share. In all instances, I never re-gift something someone gave me because they specifically wanted me to try or because I asked for that smoke. And in all instances it was because I knew the recipient would appreciate it more than I would, so I figure that's what this is all about anyway.
Begging I just don't do. If I ever got bombed from a post, I got tricked (Jack Daniel's!) or didn't intend it that way.
More general here, though: this stuff is for when overwhelming patterns emerge. This activity is an overwhelming pattern, even across sites. I think we're good enough to dismiss small indiscretions and chalk them up human nature and we're all human.
I haven't been as post active lately due to time, work, family and finances (I can't seem to help but get in on stuff if I post so when money gets tight I don't post as much to "trap" myself) but this really caught my eye and I'd like to say a few things. No I'm not going to pile on the Boots brigade that points been made clear and I agree. I will say a few things on bombing, reciprocating and re-gifting.
as for bombings, they are just that... Packages sent with no desire or want for reciprocation. I also feel as many others do that once the sticks leave my possession the person who receives it can do whatever the he11 they want with them. The only exception to that I feel is when I get or send out a stick or sticks meant specifically for that person for a special reason. Here's an example to help prove my point, sorry RayRay but your my huckleberry for this example. During our recent blood feud I hit RayRay with several packages. In all of them were what I considered to be some high end sticks. A couple were from the two boxes I bouht when my son was born. I've done that a couple times out of those boxes to some very special brothers. Sticks from those boxes I'd hope and expect to be smoked by the person I sent them to, they were extremely special to me and I wanted to share that with someone who means a lot to me. All of the other sticks in their however, regardless of what they are or how HTF they may be are his to do what he wants with. If I see him Bomb someone else with them, then upset would be the last thing I am. I'd be happy that they were shared with another BOTL.
Now on re-gifting...some of us just aren't at a point in our lives where we can buy enough smokes ourselves to send what we buy personally, I happen to be one of those people. I support not just myself, but also my wife and son on my income alone. I'm also only 26 (turning 27 in a few months) and have only been at my career for just over 2 years, so I'm not yet making enough to buy a house, have a second car, take trips or vacations etc. my "luxury" spending each month is just enough to get a 6-pack of beer, ship out two or three packages and go to the lounge and gun range once a month. That's about it. I don't feel bad about that and I'm perfectly content to live like this for a while because I know time will change that situation. I can't tell you the last time I bought anything more than 1-2 cigars at a time. The recent times where I had the money to do that I decided to spend it on others to Bomb them that was my choice and mine alone. The entire point of this rant is to say that when I do Bomb oftentimes I am forced to reach for cigars that had been sent to me over the years because at this point I only have a handful of sticks that I personally bought myself. So the only options are DONT send anything out or take some things that I've been sitting on for a while and haven't gotten around to yet and send those. I feel THATS better than always saying "sorry I don't have any cigars left that I personally bought". I think yu do what you can, where you are, with what you have available. If I recall someone pretty influential and famous said something similar about 50-60 years ago...
Finally, on begging for sticks. Don't do it. Seriously don't do it. That being said there is a difference between seeing a new stick or a stick you've been curious about and asking what it was like. For me at least that really is the whole reason for me asking, I'm curious as to your thoughts on that stick. People may decide to do something about that but that is their choice and in all honesty I'd rather they didn't because I KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that I likely won't be able to show my full appreciation and just don't normally have the means to hit them back like I'd prefer. I have a list of over 15 people that I feel I need to hit. I have no idea when I will be able to do that but I won't forget and when I CAN I will be able to cross one off the list and move on to the next.
Sorry for th rant but I feel like this adequately explains some if not many people's feelings on this besides just my own.
First. Apologies
I want to apologize for my irrational objections to Vulchor's administration of this thread. I did have a point to make but I was a big jerk about making it and my point seems trivial even to me at this point. Looking back on it makes me wish I'd have kept my mouth shut.
Second. Reciprocation
I don't expect reciprocation. I know the feeling though, and I've been guilty of reciprocating. Recently FireRob sent me some sticks and then later he openly asked to trade for some Tennessee Waltz. I had already bought a box of TW with bombing in mind. So I hit him back pretty quick. There are plenty of others that have bombed me and to whom I have not reciprocated. And I hope they don't expect it. I hope I have upheld my "good trader" status by paying it forward in most cases rather than in retaliation.
Third. Newboots
Newboots also asked openly about trading for the Tennessee Waltz. So I bombed him too. He posted about it. I'm happy. And, I was ignorant of all this talk about him. I had no idea he had gotten a bad reputation. Maybe I don't pay close enough attention.
Fourth. Begging
I'm against it but, who makes the call? How does one mention a cigar, how does one express interest at all without judgement? I'm gun-shy about it really. Plenty of times I remain silent when a new-to-me cigar is discussed. I try not to ask. I'm more likely to wait until I have smoked one before I ask for other's opinions on a particular smoke. That's just me but I don't want to become a target for either bombs or accusations of begging because I was asking about a particular stick.
I will agree and admit however that for a while now it's difficult to even show interest in a cigar on the boards without having to look over your shoulder lol. If the person posting is someone I know and talk to often then I will just text or call them to avoid that worry lol, otherwise I will only comment rarely like I did today to help minimize those worries lol.
Oh, and feel free to toss in some non Cohiba CCs. Thanks butt plugger.