Yeah that's ^ not true . Actually those are flavor "eaters" that neutralize the aroma of the coffee. Since some or most of taste is smell, you get muted flavors. Saw a study on it in grad school.
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Here are some of the players from today's era that we think of as either great 3 point shooters or shooting specialists like you described @VegasFrank , specifically using players who have absolutely zero post game (not including Klay and Steph).
Kyle Korver:
Damian Lillard:
J.R. Smith:
Ray Allen:
Steve Nash:
James Jones in the beginning of his career before he became a bench warmer who rarely played:
Bad sampling young grasshopper. Did you take out the shots in the paint, or did you simply assume that Kyle korver James Jones and Damian Lillard never had one single transition basket inside the paint? Your post made a lot of splash, but it means nothing. That's okay though! That's how we learn son!
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The post shows 16-3pt. That means between 16 feet away and the 3 point line, it excludes all layups. You have to scroll down a little on basketball reference to find it. The reason the midrange shot is the worst is because it's worth 2 points. If someone makes half of their midrange shots, then they average 1 point per shot attempt. If someone makes 33% of their 3 point shots, then that is also worth 1 point per shot attempt. I understand that the midrange shot is dumb, but that does not mean that the ball passes through the hoop less frequently, it just means it's worth less. You're just completely wrong lol that's why I used the 16-3 numbers and not the generic FG%.
I read your post and I see me 15 years ago. It makes me smile Calvin. I was once young and highly intelligent. Now I'm old enough to realize how many people there are in the world that are smarter than me.
I do see that now. I didn't know what 16-3 meant in the column heading. However, I'm going to give you a quick stats lesson since I have a master's degree in it and I have been a quantitative analyst for 25 years.
Your sample is improper. You introduced both conscious and unconscious bias into it, which is resulting in anomalies that are not present in the entire population. When you sample data this way, you cannot make inferences of the entire population based on the sample. The central limit theorem does not apply, and your distribution is not normal.
I counted 17 things that were wrong with your sample and I won't document all 17 of them here, but I'll hit a couple of major ones. You're conscious bias included That's from James Jones, who you descriptively categorize as a bench warmer late in his career. It's not exactly true. he was a more integral part of the Miami heat championship teams as a sharp shooting 3-pointer and he ever was as a person in a regular, 20-plus minute rotation earlier in his career. I would categorize him as a sniper, not a bench warmer. The fact that you didn't include his later statistics proves to me that his latest statistics did not fit your preconceived notion about the data in the first place. That's an inexcusable bias.
Tell me how many players did you pull up before you finally found data that matched your preconceived hypothesis? Of course you will respond with the number three, and of course I will think you're lying based on the James Jones sample that you displayed.
I digress though. Of course you are right about you expected value of a two-point shot versus a three-point shot. This is why, as I told you last night, Kevin McHale penalized his players for taking 20-ft jumpers. The expected value of a 20-ft jumper is somewhere around 0.8 per attempt if the average player hits 40% of them. If that same average player hits 30% of his three-pointers, is expected value is just about one per attempt, making it the better play. That's what the 538 article that I attached above discusses.
I stated my opinion based on data that I have seen over the last 20 or so years as I fiddled with sports statistics after work as a hobby. Although I can't be certain, I will just assume that I have seen more statistics and have studied this for a longer period of time than you have. I was a founding member of the professional football researchers association, and I was a member of SABRE and worked on the WAR calculation before it came out and ESPN blew it up. I gave the guy a pro football reference his seed money and a giant database of statistics that I hand typed in from reference books back in the early 2000s. Don't mistake a couple of database queries for hardcore research or statistical knowledge. Inferencr, regression, and correlation are very powerful and complicated tools, but they are not everything. Intuition, judgment, and the scientific method have to be applied in order for these statistical methods to be effective.
Finally I'll leave you with a word of advice that a very brilliant older statistician once gave to me and which I have since read it in countless books, and articles, and that founder of pro footballer reference actually put it on his website after I shared it with him. It goes something like this:
"Don't use statistics as a drunk uses a lamp post, for support rather than illumination."
I look forward to our next debate!
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I never knew all of that about you, that’s really cool! It’s funny though, because the reason I didn’t include the end of James Jones career was because I thought you were doing the thing that you think I’m doing, in terms of picking and choosing the players that fit our narrative. Now it will look like I had to sort through which players fit my narrative, even though I didn’t do that. I think we need to pick players on the next vherf that is just us so we don’t bore everyone else, to see who’s right. In the end though neither one of us will be able to determine whether or not MJ would have been a good 3 point shooter had he practiced his whole childhood, because that’s not provable.
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Here are some of the players from today's era that we think of as either great 3 point shooters or shooting specialists like you described @VegasFrank , specifically using players who have absolutely zero post game (not including Klay and Steph).
Kyle Korver:
Damian Lillard:
J.R. Smith:
Ray Allen:
Steve Nash:
James Jones in the beginning of his career before he became a bench warmer who rarely played:
Your argument is provably and laughably wrong.
Bad sampling young grasshopper. Did you take out the shots in the paint, or did you simply assume that Kyle korver James Jones and Damian Lillard never had one single transition basket inside the paint? Your post made a lot of splash, but it means nothing. That's okay though! That's how we learn son!
...Andxto get very precise, you'd want to only count jump shots, not full court 3s and desperate heaves. Here's some reading for you, young man.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mid-range-jumper-is-the-nbas-worst-shot-except-for-the-golden-state-warriors-1521557144
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-ptb-mike-hutton-column-st-0115-20160114-column.html
This one is a little more in depth talking about EV:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-mapping-shots-in-the-nba-changed-it-forever/
And finally you can polish up your research a little bit by going to this website. It has splits by distance.
https://stats.nba.com/players/shooting/
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The post shows 16-3pt. That means between 16 feet away and the 3 point line, it excludes all layups. You have to scroll down a little on basketball reference to find it. The reason the midrange shot is the worst is because it's worth 2 points. If someone makes half of their midrange shots, then they average 1 point per shot attempt. If someone makes 33% of their 3 point shots, then that is also worth 1 point per shot attempt. I understand that the midrange shot is dumb, but that does not mean that the ball passes through the hoop less frequently, it just means it's worth less. You're just completely wrong lol that's why I used the 16-3 numbers and not the generic FG%.
I read your post and I see me 15 years ago. It makes me smile Calvin. I was once young and highly intelligent. Now I'm old enough to realize how many people there are in the world that are smarter than me.
I do see that now. I didn't know what 16-3 meant in the column heading. However, I'm going to give you a quick stats lesson since I have a master's degree in it and I have been a quantitative analyst for 25 years.
Your sample is improper. You introduced both conscious and unconscious bias into it, which is resulting in anomalies that are not present in the entire population. When you sample data this way, you cannot make inferences of the entire population based on the sample. The central limit theorem does not apply, and your distribution is not normal.
I counted 17 things that were wrong with your sample and I won't document all 17 of them here, but I'll hit a couple of major ones. You're conscious bias included That's from James Jones, who you descriptively categorize as a bench warmer late in his career. It's not exactly true. he was a more integral part of the Miami heat championship teams as a sharp shooting 3-pointer and he ever was as a person in a regular, 20-plus minute rotation earlier in his career. I would categorize him as a sniper, not a bench warmer. The fact that you didn't include his later statistics proves to me that his latest statistics did not fit your preconceived notion about the data in the first place. That's an inexcusable bias.
Tell me how many players did you pull up before you finally found data that matched your preconceived hypothesis? Of course you will respond with the number three, and of course I will think you're lying based on the James Jones sample that you displayed.
I digress though. Of course you are right about you expected value of a two-point shot versus a three-point shot. This is why, as I told you last night, Kevin McHale penalized his players for taking 20-ft jumpers. The expected value of a 20-ft jumper is somewhere around 0.8 per attempt if the average player hits 40% of them. If that same average player hits 30% of his three-pointers, is expected value is just about one per attempt, making it the better play. That's what the 538 article that I attached above discusses.
I stated my opinion based on data that I have seen over the last 20 or so years as I fiddled with sports statistics after work as a hobby. Although I can't be certain, I will just assume that I have seen more statistics and have studied this for a longer period of time than you have. I was a founding member of the professional football researchers association, and I was a member of SABRE and worked on the WAR calculation before it came out and ESPN blew it up. I gave the guy a pro football reference his seed money and a giant database of statistics that I hand typed in from reference books back in the early 2000s. Don't mistake a couple of database queries for hardcore research or statistical knowledge. Inferencr, regression, and correlation are very powerful and complicated tools, but they are not everything. Intuition, judgment, and the scientific method have to be applied in order for these statistical methods to be effective.
Finally I'll leave you with a word of advice that a very brilliant older statistician once gave to me and which I have since read it in countless books, and articles, and that founder of pro footballer reference actually put it on his website after I shared it with him. It goes something like this:
"Don't use statistics as a drunk uses a lamp post, for support rather than illumination."
I look forward to our next debate!
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I never knew all of that about you, that’s really cool! It’s funny though, because the reason I didn’t include the end of James Jones career was because I thought you were doing the thing that you think I’m doing, in terms of picking and choosing the players that fit our narrative. Now it will look like I had to sort through which players fit my narrative, even though I didn’t do that. I think we need to pick players on the next vherf that is just us so we don’t bore everyone else, to see who’s right. In the end though neither one of us will be able to determine whether or not MJ would have been a good 3 point shooter had he practiced his whole childhood, because that’s not provable.
F****** nerds.
Good thing this dumbass doesnt get on the vherf much.