I have very mixed emotions about this. Someone already talked about the legal age. It has always bothered me that you could join the service and go die for your country at 18, 17 with parent signature, but after a firefight you couldn't legally have a beer. Could get married and vote but again couldnt legally drink champagne at your reception or you could join a police force but your parent had to purchase your service pistol. Now at 18 i can do everything but buy a .22 target rifle and have a beer? Something about that just isnt right.
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Mike, you stated the AR's original design is for shooting people. This statement is inaccurate and false. It is used by the gun grabbers to elicit fear and emotion from the uninformed public. This is what, in my eyes, was the drivel I spoke of.
Don't forget DJT's past associations with politicians he now criticizes. I can't trust what he says. He is playing both sides.
It truly amazes me how many people are willing to relinquish rights in the name of security. Here is something I like to regurgitate, "One who gives up freedom for security deserves neither."
Raising the age limit to 21 is simply a "feel good" regulation. Determined individuals (no matter what age) with evil intent will get them anyway they can. Only law abiding people are going to obey laws and regulations anyway. If the gun grabbers reach their final solution of banning all firearms, the only people possessing them will be the criminals and the government. We will revert from citizens to subjects.
The police in this country are not here to provide security. Did you know the SCOTUS in 1856 determined law enforcement has no duty to protect individuals, only a general duty to enforce the law? (South vs. Maryland) This law has not changed. Gun free zones (GFZ) are a scary thing in my humble opinion. I avoid them whenever possible. I'd like to see legislation passed to make the controller of a GFZ legally responsible for the safety of all persons present.
I support the third amendment, but......
I support the fourth amendment, but.....
I'll go back to my corner now and cling to my religion and guns...
The police in this country are not here to provide security. Did you know the SCOTUS in 1856 determined law enforcement has no duty to protect individuals, only a general duty to enforce the law? (South vs. Maryland) This law has not changed.
Need to correct the last sentence, as I should have said "Ruling or Precedent", not law.
Ever notice how ALL of the shootings happen in "Gun Free Zones"? Jeez! Can't these people read the signs?
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Mike, you stated the AR's original design is for shooting people. This statement is inaccurate and false. It is used by the gun grabbers to elicit fear and emotion from the uninformed public. This is what, in my eyes, was the drivel I spoke of.
Don't forget DJT's past associations with politicians he now criticizes. I can't trust what he says. He is playing both sides.
It truly amazes me how many people are willing to relinquish rights in the name of security. Here is something I like to regurgitate, "One who gives up freedom for security deserves neither."
Raising the age limit to 21 is simply a "feel good" regulation. Determined individuals (no matter what age) with evil intent will get them anyway they can. Only law abiding people are going to obey laws and regulations anyway. If the gun grabbers reach their final solution of banning all firearms, the only people possessing them will be the criminals and the government. We will revert from citizens to subjects.
The police in this country are not here to provide security. Did you know the SCOTUS in 1856 determined law enforcement has no duty to protect individuals, only a general duty to enforce the law? (South vs. Maryland) This law has not changed. Gun free zones (GFZ) are a scary thing in my humble opinion. I avoid them whenever possible. I'd like to see legislation passed to make the controller of a GFZ legally responsible for the safety of all persons present.
I support the third amendment, but......
I support the fourth amendment, but.....
I'll go back to my corner now and cling to my religion and guns...
Steve, Thanks for your input. Don't stay in your corner if you got something else to add. And if you pegged me as a liberal you can put the brakes on that. I think that hardening (with guns, gates, guards,) the soft targets that are our schools is long overdue. If we're gonna have killers craving the blood of children, we damn well better guard the children. My outrage at you asking me about my general knowledge of weaponry was intended for fun. Your points are very valid and well received by me. (e.g. I'll never say I'm pro-2nd amendment but,........ EVER again.) I'm not saying that this age limit thing would be a grand cure, but it's something to discuss.
My error on the original design of the rifle is my own. My apologies for that. I'm not repeating liberal talking points. My own opinion is that an AR15's basic purpose (regardless of it's rate of fire) is as an offensive or defensive weapon, like handguns.
It seems that certain retailers are taking it upon themselves to be lawmakers.
I'm torn on this one. On one hand I see a private business choosing who it does business with. On the other, there has to be some kind of discrimination suit coming from them refusing to sell a legal item to a legal consumer simply because they don't want to
It seems that certain retailers are taking it upon themselves to be lawmakers.
I'm torn on this one. On one hand I see a private business choosing who it does business with. On the other, there has to be some kind of discrimination suit coming from them refusing to sell a legal item to a legal consumer simply because they don't want to
As far as the big D claim to pulling ar pattern rifles, it's a political grandstand publicity stunt. The retailer stopped selling them in 2012. The recent spotlight is something they are shining on themselves to capitalize on knee jerk emotions post tragedy. If they want to simply stop carrying a certain style or model, more power to them. But using a tragedy to increase business is despicable.
Since guns kill, according to some, we should outlaw them. Using that basis, we should outlaw alcohol, cars, electricity, stupidity, airplanes, dangerous jobs and half the things on the market. All those things have the capability of causing death.
The one thing that takes them from mundane to dangerous is people.
In Fumo Pax Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
Bars have always had the right to raise the age to 21 and to deny alcohol to a customer. If I owned a bar you would have to be 21.
When I worked in a "gun shop" we did not hesitate to deny a sales because the customer was drunk, angry or ranting. Happened a lot.
And blank, we want to see all of your sales records, by the local police were denied. The State Police and the ATF always had a specific gun and person in mind and they always got what they wanted.
The number of questionable IDs was always a problem. These folks were the worst to deal with and a lot of calls to the police were made.
But my all time favorite is when a anti-gun congressmen came in and wanted to buy a shotgun for his son. He was not a resident of the state but when he opened his wallet he had a huge number of driver licenses from all over the country. You don't think the excrement hit the rotary oscillator over that one.....
You can pass all the laws you want. Only honest people will obey them.
The other thing is (often overlooked by everyone) that if diligence to enforce the laws is not part of the process then it does not matter how many laws you pass. Would the latest butchery have happened if the authorities were diligent? Would the bozo murdering all those people on the commuter train in NY have happened if the police did their job? Would all of those asian kids (years ago) on the playground have died if the authorities had done their jobs? Are all the confiscated firearms traced back to everyone who touched it, including the original owner? When someone gives up their FFL what happens to his records? I know of many private sales in this neck of the woods, including estate auctions, is there a record? My Father left me his scoped WW2 A3O3 Springfield. He brought it back from his time in the army. How many others are out there?
The one sale we all liked when I worked in the "gun store" was a parent(s) coming in and saying "my kid is old enough to know about firearms, can you recommend a safety instructor before we get him one", usually a 6 shooter .22. Believe it or not that happened frequently. Sometimes we would ask and the parent(s) were very receptive. Usually more than one family member would end up taking the course.
You can pass all the laws you want. Only honest people will obey them.
The other thing is (often overlooked by everyone) that if diligence to enforce the laws is not part of the process then it does not matter how many laws you pass. Would the latest butchery have happened if the authorities were diligent? Would the bozo murdering all those people on the commuter train in NY have happened if the police did their job? Would all of those asian kids (years ago) on the playground have died if the authorities had done their jobs? Are all the confiscated firearms traced back to everyone who touched it, including the original owner? When someone gives up their FFL what happens to his records? I know of many private sales in this neck of the woods, including estate auctions, is there a record? My Father left me his scoped WW2 A3O3 Springfield. He brought it back from his time in the army. How many others are out there?
The one sale we all liked when I worked in the "gun store" was a parent(s) coming in and saying "my kid is old enough to know about firearms, can you recommend a safety instructor before we get him one", usually a 6 shooter .22. Believe it or not that happened frequently. Sometimes we would ask and the parent(s) were very receptive. Usually more than one family member would end up taking the course.
What I highlighted in bold says all there needs to say. Ban everything and nothing will change, there's will still be shootings, drunk drivers killing 1000 people a year in Texas alone, violence, death, good and bad.
If are country or the world were perfect, nothing would work.
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I get a kick out of how the left frames (lies about) the "teacher carry" idea. Is anyone proposing that teachers who are reluctant to carry should be forced to carry? No. But you'd think that they are.
Since guns kill, according to some, we should outlaw them. Using that basis, we should outlaw alcohol, cars, electricity, stupidity, airplanes, dangerous jobs and half the things on the market. All those things have the capability of causing death.
The one thing that takes them from mundane to dangerous is people.
now wait just a minute...
"I drink a great deal. I sleep a little, and I smoke cigar after cigar. That is why I am in two-hundred-percent form." -- Winston Churchill "LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter
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Someone already talked about the legal age.
It has always bothered me that you could join the service and go die for your country at 18, 17 with parent signature, but after a firefight you couldn't legally have a beer. Could get married and vote but again couldnt legally drink champagne at your reception or you could join a police force but your parent had to purchase your service pistol. Now at 18 i can do everything but buy a .22 target rifle and have a beer? Something about that just isnt right.
Good Morning All,
Mike, you stated the AR's original design is for shooting people. This statement is inaccurate and false. It is used by the gun grabbers to elicit fear and emotion from the uninformed public. This is what, in my eyes, was the drivel I spoke of.
Don't forget DJT's past associations with politicians he now criticizes. I can't trust what he says. He is playing both sides.
It truly amazes me how many people are willing to relinquish rights in the name of security. Here is something I like to regurgitate, "One who gives up freedom for security deserves neither."
Raising the age limit to 21 is simply a "feel good" regulation. Determined individuals (no matter what age) with evil intent will get them anyway they can. Only law abiding people are going to obey laws and regulations anyway. If the gun grabbers reach their final solution of banning all firearms, the only people possessing them will be the criminals and the government. We will revert from citizens to subjects.
The police in this country are not here to provide security. Did you know the SCOTUS in 1856 determined law enforcement has no duty to protect individuals, only a general duty to enforce the law? (South vs. Maryland) This law has not changed. Gun free zones (GFZ) are a scary thing in my humble opinion. I avoid them whenever possible. I'd like to see legislation passed to make the controller of a GFZ legally responsible for the safety of all persons present.
I support the third amendment, but......
I support the fourth amendment, but.....
I'll go back to my corner now and cling to my religion and guns...
"If you do not read the newspapers you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- Mark Twain
My error on the original design of the rifle is my own. My apologies for that. I'm not repeating liberal talking points. My own opinion is that an AR15's basic purpose (regardless of it's rate of fire) is as an offensive or defensive weapon, like handguns.
It seems that certain retailers are taking it upon themselves to be lawmakers.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
https://aclu-co.org/court-rules-bakery-illegally-discriminated-against-gay-couple/
Send in a gay 20 year old to make a purchase.
Using that basis, we should outlaw alcohol, cars, electricity, stupidity, airplanes, dangerous jobs and half the things on the market.
All those things have the capability of causing death.
The one thing that takes them from mundane to dangerous is people.
Money can't buy happiness, but it can buy cigars and that's close enough.
When I worked in a "gun shop" we did not hesitate to deny a sales because the customer was drunk, angry or ranting. Happened a lot.
And blank, we want to see all of your sales records, by the local police were denied. The State Police and the ATF always had a specific gun and person in mind and they always got what they wanted.
The number of questionable IDs was always a problem. These folks were the worst to deal with and a lot of calls to the police were made.
But my all time favorite is when a anti-gun congressmen came in and wanted to buy a shotgun for his son. He was not a resident of the state but when he opened his wallet he had a huge number of driver licenses from all over the country. You don't think the excrement hit the rotary oscillator over that one.....
You can pass all the laws you want. Only honest people will obey them.
The other thing is (often overlooked by everyone) that if diligence to enforce the laws is not part of the process then it does not matter how many laws you pass.
Would the latest butchery have happened if the authorities were diligent?
Would the bozo murdering all those people on the commuter train in NY have happened if the police did their job?
Would all of those asian kids (years ago) on the playground have died if the authorities had done their jobs?
Are all the confiscated firearms traced back to everyone who touched it, including the original owner?
When someone gives up their FFL what happens to his records?
I know of many private sales in this neck of the woods, including estate auctions, is there a record?
My Father left me his scoped WW2 A3O3 Springfield. He brought it back from his time in the army. How many others are out there?
The one sale we all liked when I worked in the "gun store" was a parent(s) coming in and saying "my kid is old enough to know about firearms, can you recommend a safety instructor before we get him one", usually a 6 shooter .22. Believe it or not that happened frequently. Sometimes we would ask and the parent(s) were very receptive. Usually more than one family member would end up taking the course.
If are country or the world were perfect, nothing would work.
Oh wait.......we do.
-- Winston Churchill
"LET'S GO FRANCIS" Peter