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edz

As far as Argentina , according to AI 20 Million is about .000029% of the federal budget. That's split between currency exchange and a loan.

Vision

@edz said:
As far as Argentina , according to AI 20 Million is about .000029% of the federal budget. That's split between currency exchange and a loan.

What’s 20 Million about? Are we talking about 40 Billion?

edz

@Vision said:

@edz said:
As far as Argentina , according to AI 20 Million is about .000029% of the federal budget. That's split between currency exchange and a loan.

What’s 20 Million about? Are we talking about 40 Billion?

You are correct, was thinking about the possible return on the investment since the value of the money in Argentina has gone up. That should have been stated as how much we may have gained.

edz

Truth, we do not know what or if we gained. Their currency is up which looks good for us. Tighter bond seems to have been made. Cross our fingers and hope for the best. Agree with couple other posts about sticking to one issue at a time, could care less which side anyone is on. But we don't seem to get far on hashing out ideas. That is o.k. as well , sort of like the Barum & Bailey effect.

CharlieHeis

Over 100 billion dollars sent to Ukraine and crickets from the libs, now everyone is mad about sending Argentina money. Strange.
And for the record I don't want to send our money to any of them.

Vision

@CharlieHeis said:
Over 100 billion dollars sent to Ukraine and crickets from the libs, now everyone is mad about sending Argentina money. Strange.
And for the record I don't want to send our money to any of them.

The Russians invading South America now?

Charlie right…

CharlieHeis

South America. And that's all the more reason to not give them money. Why bring the US into a war? We're trillions in debt already.

edz

Not sure if the next war will be a battle as we know it.

memento_mori

Another 🤡. Your self righteous act is boring. Another person incapable of emotional management. You proved your point to everyone you are a hard line political douche bag that is incapable of intelligent interaction much less an intelligent thought. Your interpretation of me matters even less than your overall intellectual capacity.

Vision

@OutdoorsSmoke_21191 said:
Another 🤡. Your self righteous act is boring. Another person incapable of emotional management. You proved your point to everyone you are a hard line political douche bag that is incapable of intelligent interaction much less an intelligent thought. Your interpretation of me matters even less than your overall intellectual capacity.

Hey man, I was only joking about the hurt feelings. 😆

silvermouse

SNAP shoppers alone account for about 20% of all grocery sales in Massachusetts, according to the state. "SNAP is a multiplier program for households and local food systems that will be decimated — for every dollar in SNAP benefits received by a client in Massachusetts, $1.50 goes back into the local economy," wrote Michael Cole, the chief operating officer of the state's Department of Transitional Assistance.

Amos_Umwhat

Here's something dumb that Trump's doing, if the headlines are true, wanting the U.S. to engage in nuclear testing "like other countries do". Dumb. Other countries "do", because they don't know if their stuff works. We know. Ours work.

Actually, to take that a step further, no one needs to test them, nukes are a dumb idea in the first place.

peter4jc

SNAP is a great program.

This seems to be how the govt. operates. Let things get to 'emergency' status instead of figuring out how to implement needed changes before the crisis hits. As much good as SNAP does, to my mind, the bigger question is "Why the **** do so many receive the benefit in the first place?" Can't we formulate an economy where people can earn enough to not need govt assistance? Can't we give assistance to those who actually need it, and learn how to weed through applicants who don't?

I received SNAP benefits for a number of years. My monthly income (honestly reported) was low enough to qualify, but they never asked about any bank account or retirement savings. The number of new-looking SUV's at the reporting center was astounding, and yes, I know, we can't assume all of them were also on the dole, like me. My point is, it was way too easy to get the benefit. (if my receiving SNAP meant someone else who needed it wouldn't because there was a finite amount of funds, I would've declined it)

I'd like to see SNAP and all govt. benefits overhauled to the point where help goes to those who need it, and not let it be used as a way to train people that the role of the govt. is to take care of them when they should be taking care of themselves.

dirtdude

Why are they halting SNAP

silvermouse

New Mexico is starting a free child care program. That should help single parents who want or are able to work but can't afford day care.

ShawnOL

@silvermouse said:
New Mexico is starting a free child care program. That should help single parents who want or are able to work but can't afford day care.

You get what you pay for. Would be a little skeptical about putting a kid in "free" daycare.

Itsfine

@dirtdude said:
Why are they halting SNAP

Government shutdown.

By the way, married military members in the ranks of E1 through E4 that have at least one child also qualify for snap and WIC, and they use the benefits.

Itsfine

@Amos_Umwhat said:
Here's something dumb that Trump's doing, if the headlines are true, wanting the U.S. to engage in nuclear testing "like other countries do". Dumb. Other countries "do", because they don't know if their stuff works. We know. Ours work.

Actually, to take that a step further, no one needs to test them, nukes are a dumb idea in the first place.

Doesn't just break laws, also breaks international treaties we have with countries that we would definitely prefer not test or fire off any bombs of their own.

Itsfine

@edz said:
As far as Argentina , according to AI 20 Million is about .000029% of the federal budget. That's split between currency exchange and a loan.

I've never heard of a country paying back a loan that we gave them. But I'm probably wrong.

Itsfine

@OutdoorsSmoke_21191 said:
Another 🤡. Your self righteous act is boring. Another person incapable of emotional management. You proved your point to everyone you are a hard line political douche bag that is incapable of intelligent interaction much less an intelligent thought. Your interpretation of me matters even less than your overall intellectual capacity.

Ok the bell rang. Back to your corners, guys. Maybe we need @ShawnOL to create the "jeff and other Frank debate" thread?

It's fine.

Itsfine

@ShawnOL said:

@silvermouse said:
New Mexico is starting a free child care program. That should help single parents who want or are able to work but can't afford day care.

You get what you pay for. Would be a little skeptical about putting a kid in "free" daycare.

The workers aren't volunteers. They are paid a fair and competitive wage, but they are paid by the state, which is funding the program out of its coffers.

dirtdude

Read 'your coffers', the New Mexico Way

dirtdude

Moderators; can we change the name of this thread to Bait, Troll, Hook & Reel

edz

@Itsfine said:

@edz said:
As far as Argentina , according to AI 20 Million is about .000029% of the federal budget. That's split between currency exchange and a loan.

I've never heard of a country paying back a loan that we gave them. But I'm probably wrong.

In all respect you are wrong. Finland, UK, Heck wasn't that many years ago that Germany finished its debt to us from world war 2. The cash swap isn't a loan

Itsfine

@edz said:

@Itsfine said:

@edz said:
As far as Argentina , according to AI 20 Million is about .000029% of the federal budget. That's split between currency exchange and a loan.

I've never heard of a country paying back a loan that we gave them. But I'm probably wrong.

In all respect you are wrong. Finland, UK, Heck wasn't that many years ago that Germany finished its debt to us from world war 2. The cash swap isn't a loan

Fair. With all due respect back, Argentina is no Finland or UK or even Germany. Although we don't really annotate anything by numbering worlds anymore, memory serves me correctly, it was a second world nation when I was studying such things.

Itsfine

@dirtdude said:
Read 'your coffers', the New Mexico Way

Unfortunately that's just not true. If it was yours, you could control it. You can't. The money belongs to the state. This state belongs to the people and the people elect representatives who spend the money that the state has. The people have no control over The money or how it is spent. They only have control over who they elect.

Honestly, this is one of the barriers to happiness that I see a lot out in the world. People feign or believe they have ownership in something over which they have no control, and then become unbelievably unhappy when the resource or the thing or the concept is used in a way of which they do not approve.

I'm not saying you're unhappy Randy. I'm just saying that this is what I see in the world.

edz

@Itsfine said:

@edz said:

@Itsfine said:

@edz said:
As far as Argentina , according to AI 20 Million is about .000029% of the federal budget. That's split between currency exchange and a loan.

I've never heard of a country paying back a loan that we gave them. But I'm probably wrong.

In all respect you are wrong. Finland, UK, Heck wasn't that many years ago that Germany finished its debt to us from world war 2. The cash swap isn't a loan

Fair. With all due respect back, Argentina is no Finland or UK or even Germany. Although we don't really annotate anything by numbering worlds anymore, memory serves me correctly, it was a second world nation when I was studying such things.

You are right. They have a terrible history of not paying . My only hope is that some plans to benefit us are on the back burner.

dirtdude

Your coffers was a reference as to who is paying, not actually writing the check. It's a neighboring state so really doesn't affect me but I do note what's happening around me.

I'm not at all unhappy, MAGA keeps winning and will for another 3+ years

edz

@Itsfine said:

@ShawnOL said:

@silvermouse said:
New Mexico is starting a free child care program. That should help single parents who want or are able to work but can't afford day care.

You get what you pay for. Would be a little skeptical about putting a kid in "free" daycare.

The workers aren't volunteers. They are paid a fair and competitive wage, but they are paid by the state, which is funding the program out of itsistt coffers.

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Hope you do not take this as argumentative , but what makes that different than a socialist govt. where the people have no say so in what is going on?

Itsfine

@edz said:

@Itsfine said:

@ShawnOL said:

@silvermouse said:
New Mexico is starting a free child care program. That should help single parents who want or are able to work but can't afford day care.

You get what you pay for. Would be a little skeptical about putting a kid in "free" daycare.

The workers aren't volunteers. They are paid a fair and competitive wage, but they are paid by the state, which is funding the program out of itsistt coffers.

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Hope you do not take this as argumentative , but what makes that different than a socialist govt. where the people have no say so in what is going on?

I don't take it that way. As for the answer, I don't know, but a free vote, I guess? People don't have any say in what's going on here, other than the politicians. I think that's a good thing. There are a lot of crazies in our country. Lol.

I also think that it's always been like this. People Express their will through non- governing activities such as protests, public assemblies, Free speech, and others. And of governing activities such as voting for candidates and participating in referendum votes.